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Call Me Charlie posted:I know you're super outraged (and, by extension, blind stupid) right now but that quote you posted was condemning the government/police for not having the proper infrastructure in place to protect everybody and for trying to take short cuts to cut short an event they didn't want to take place in the first place. Wasn't that the case made by the city that the ACLU argued against in court though
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Jizz Festival posted:Lol wanting to look the other way as some nazis are denied a permit to do some dumb rally is a real travesty. Like seriously step back away from all these abstract notions of rights and look at what's actually happening in the real world and decide there are better things to worry about than the free speech of nazis. The problem is that when these things get violent it's because left aligned mayors tell the police to stand off and let the antifa have their fun. If you don't believe this maybe you should remember the mayor of Berkley is a member of BAMN. Nazi demonstrations starting getting violent in the last couple of years because the police stopped kettling the fash and the blackblock ran roughshod. Now the Nazis are showing up kitted to rumble and instead of 10 on 1 fash stomps we are getting street battles and people dying. Reap the whirlwind
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Crane Fist posted:Wasn't that the case made by the city that the ACLU argued against in court though No. quote:If the judge in our case had been presented with any credible evidence or testimony by the city of an imminent threat of harm (other than a list of internet entries) or evidence that the change in permit would, in fact, result in no demonstration in downtown Charlottesville, I have confidence that he would have denied the injunction, and the city would have been faced with enforcing the change of venue and protecting demonstrators and counter-demonstrators in two locations. The city revoked the permit for the the white supremacist portion of the event, under the guise that the predicted number of protesters was unmanageable, while leaving the permit for the counterprotesters in place, despite being double the predicted number of white supremacists. That's why the court struck it down. quote:I was there and brought concerns directly to the secretary of public safety and the head of the Virginia State Police about the way that the barricades in the park limiting access by the arriving demonstrators and the lack of any physical separation of the protesters and counter-protesters on the street were contributing to the potential of violence. They did not respond. In fact, law enforcement was standing passively by, seeming to be waiting for violence to take place, so that they would have grounds to declare an emergency, declare an ‘unlawful assembly’ and clear the area. In this part of the quote, the ACLU is claiming that the police were intentionally lax in the hopes that they could declare an unlawful assembly and clear the area.
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Byolante posted:The problem is that when these things get violent it's because left aligned mayors tell the police to stand off and let the antifa have their fun. If you don't believe this maybe you should remember the mayor of Berkley is a member of BAMN. Nazi demonstrations starting getting violent in the last couple of years because the police stopped kettling the fash and the blackblock ran roughshod. Now the Nazis are showing up kitted to rumble and instead of 10 on 1 fash stomps we are getting street battles and people dying. Lol are you serious? What the gently caress is this poo poo?
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Jizz Festival posted:Lol are you serious? What the gently caress is this poo poo? I'm genuinely dying of laughter, this derail has been very enlightening
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Byolante posted:The problem is that when these things get violent it's because left aligned mayors tell the police to stand off and let the antifa have their fun. If you don't believe this maybe you should remember the mayor of Berkley is a member of BAMN. Nazi demonstrations starting getting violent in the last couple of years because the police stopped kettling the fash and the blackblock ran roughshod. Now the Nazis are showing up kitted to rumble and instead of 10 on 1 fash stomps we are getting street battles and people dying. These radical anarchist-syndicalist mayors are ruining America!
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Crane Fist posted:You're white knighting a Nazi who drove his car into a crowd of innocent people and killed a young woman. Tokamak posted:Is this the last thread currently open with posters writing neo-nazi apologism? poo poo happened recently in Germany where protesters blocked a road and then when the driver tried to turn around to go elsewhere a few idiots stood in front of the car, and it happened back in Ferguson where someone wanting to get through had their car mobbed by a bunch of retards including someone trying to smash windows with a flag pole with the antifa flag on it. Don't mistake an interest facts or civil liberties for being pro-nazi. Crane Fist posted:hmmm yeah when you think about it the anti-fascists are the real fascists Yes. Crane Fist posted:"Well imagine my shock when the police did not have our best interests at heart..." Jizz Festival posted:Lol are you serious? What the gently caress is this poo poo? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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lohli posted:A better case for domestic terrorism could be made for antifa than the nazi retards at the rally. Why did you post a cut up version of the video in your other post? https://twitter.com/ZKhanOfficial/status/896443820606447617 The driver speeds up long before he's near the group of peaople, and the screeching/engine sounds is what spooked the bat guy and the other counter protesters (you can hear people screaming and running out of the way before he hit anybody). he slowed down a bit before accelerating again. Why do you think every single person in that pic is dead focused on the car? at 2-4 secs you can see people running out of the way and that's when he had slowed down at no point was he driving slow enough for the kind of pedestrian traffic in that alley. it's extremely clear what he drove in there to do
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steinrokkan posted:These radical anarchist-syndicalist mayors are ruining America! Mayors telling police to stand down and let violence happen unabated is a shocking abstention of their duty of care to the community they notionally lead.
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lohli posted:For the record I think he's obviously a huge piece of poo poo for attending the rally, but take note of the man hitting his vehicle, what was actually written, and all of the people who charged the car with bats and helmets straight away. I'm saying it's less like a wanna-be truck of peace and more like what seems to happen half the time protesters stop vehicles from getting through, where either the collective or just a few idiots give drivers cause to panic. The dude is an attempted spree killer, there is no question that he instigated the incident and did it with the intent to murder.
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Scent of Worf posted:Why did you post a cut up version of the video in your other post? That's the version of stuff that I saw posted by someone who had been trying to CSI miami the whole thing. Scent of Worf posted:The driver speeds up long before he's near the group of peaople, and the screeching/engine sounds is what spooked the bat guy and the other counter protesters (you can hear people screaming and running out of the way before he hit anybody). he slowed down a bit before accelerating again. Why do you think every single person in that pic is dead focused on the car? at 2-4 secs you can see people running out of the way and that's when he had slowed down The screech sound seems to be him coming off the speedbump/crossing(red + tan thing at the start of the video) which is what has people screaming, and I don't think being spooked at that was a good reason to swing at the back of the car as it was going past, you're right that he slows down and then accelerates, but the thing between that is the guy swinging at the car. I've already said that I don't think he was there with good intentions, but stuff like his accelerating into the crowd only after someone does something extremely dumb like hitting the car stops it from being clear. Either way I'm interested to see whether he's going to claim he's committing terrorism for the fatherland or if he's going to try to claim he was indeed spooked. Maybe he'll pull an Yvette Felarca and unrepentantly claim it shouldn't be illegal.
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lohli posted:That's the version of stuff that I saw posted by someone who had been trying to CSI miami the whole thing. You didn't think to look at the source yourself rather than a cut down version that /pol/ is passing around? quote:The screech sound seems to be him coming off the speedbump/crossing(red + tan thing at the start of the video) which is what has people screaming, and I don't think being spooked at that was a good reason to swing at the back of the car as it was going past, you're right that he slows down and then accelerates, but the thing between that is the guy swinging at the car. It seems like you're talking to yourself rather than addressing the full video 1. The car, even when it slowed down, was driving way too fast which is why people were running out of its way before it had even sped up again. This is why the guy swung a bat at the car, not because of the screech and engine sounds (which is what made some people scream). It was because the car was going too fast. I already pointed out where this happens in the video. At seconds 2 through 4. You can clearly see people running away. 2. The driver didn't just turn a corner and suddenly come upon a wall of people. The alley was chock-full of people. He had clear view of just how congested it was and chose to speed down the alley anyways. Nobody was blocking his path, he sped down onto oncoming pedestrian traffic. He had more than enough time to slow down to a safe speed or just stop altogether, but he doesn't. Why are you ignoring these obvious facts about the video to defend a white supremacist terrorist attack? The Ol Spicy Keychain has issued a correction as of 12:31 on Aug 15, 2017 |
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Taintrunner posted:creeping liberalism strikes again It's so Insidious. Media Matters has gone too far!
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Tokamak posted:Is this the last thread currently open with posters writing neo-nazi apologism? I'm sure there's some in gbs
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:What could have motivated someone to drive 40mph down a one-way alley with pedestrian traffic? I guess we'll never know the truth. its the fight-or-flight-or-premeditated-vehicular-murder response
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:What could have motivated someone to drive 40mph down a one-way alley with pedestrian traffic? I guess we'll never know the truth. if the libs hadn't been mean to him about gamergate this never would have happened
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steinrokkan posted:These radical anarchist-syndicalist mayors are ruining America! Berkley literally became a warzone because the mayor is a black blocker who told the police to not intervene in open street conflict. He literally is responsible for the damage through his actions.
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Byolante posted:Berkley literally became a warzone because the mayor is a black blocker who told the police to not intervene in open street conflict. He literally is responsible for the damage through his actions. Good.
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The ACLU support is actually a great litmus test. everyone I know who has a problem with the ACLU defending all comers is some sort of late-to-the-party milquetoast liberal who celebrated record levels of Obama deportions and his insane expansion of the surveillance state which he gifted to Trump with a bow. they're unreliable allies at best and you shouldn't trust them when the chips are down, because they'll never join an occupy protest or a protest for paid family leave but they will dogpile on 200 idiots who have never had a bit of influence in their entire lives
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Byolante posted:Berkley literally became a warzone because the mayor is a black blocker who told the police to not intervene in open street conflict. He literally is responsible for the damage through his actions. Literally. I remember when the alt-right used to mock the SJWs for hysterics. Boy have the tides turned lately.
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Byolante posted:Berkley literally became a warzone because the mayor is a black blocker who told the police to not intervene in open street conflict. He literally is responsible for the damage through his actions. You made it sound like the mayors were in the pocket of big Antifa, which was pretty funny (and the accusations of the mayor of Berkeley being a secret anarcho communist come exclusively from far right sources). Anyway, maybe maintaining a fake, superficial sense of peace and order when there is a clear and deep antagonism isn't productive either.
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Unless you've got an event to plan for years in advance like the G20, the police are only capable of prosecuting arrests for crimes after-the-fact. They're not physically capable of protecting anything. There just aren't enough resources, even after over a decade of militarization and DoHD money.
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steinrokkan posted:You made it sound like the mayors were in the pocket of big Antifa, which was pretty funny (and the accusations of the mayor of Berkeley being a secret anarcho communist come exclusively from far right sources). Anyway, maybe maintaining a fake, superficial sense of peace and order when there is a clear and deep antagonism isn't productive either. They come from his own facebook but whatevs
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Shear Modulus posted:anyway the reason the berkeley cops didn't beat up the protestors was because the last time they did it turned out that the protestors they were beating up were wholly uc berkeley students and their rich parents got mad and it became a huge embarassment for the cops namaste There was pretty much no downside to the cops attacking the WNs in Cvillle, because they were all either from out of state or from Canada.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Nazis don't go away if you ignore them. fake Nazis do go away when they realize they can't troll you. here's a hint, if they're wearing a polo shirt and carrying a tiki torch they're a fake nazi fat American Nazis and the ones from 100 years ago with the contraptions on the history channel aren't the same or even similar, they're aping those affectations because they get you riled
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