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i think hate speech laws are fine, but the political will doesn't really exist to do it at all, much less do it correctly
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why are nazis here
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Nonsense posted:why are nazis here Nazis were the center all along
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i'm still going to go ahead and say anti rioting laws will spectacularly backfire https://twitter.com/JimmyVielkind/status/897457875307704320
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i'm not gunna say ya'll are wrong about this, but I'm veeeerrrry skeptical
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50 years for committing a hate crime against Goldman Sachs
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coathat posted:50 years for committing a hate crime against Goldman Sachs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5zQpN28xa4
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yeah thats what i mean, its like.... i know it works ok in some countries but i dont trust the us to do it right
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coathat posted:50 years for committing a hate crime against Goldman Sachs 30 years for attempting to incite revolution.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Interesting how the ACLU apologists have shifted the discussion from the waste of legal resources on Nazis to a generalized notion of "we shouldn't pass hate speech laws."
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Karl Barks posted:i'm still going to go ahead and say anti rioting laws will spectacularly backfire Cummo is just trying to reach out to all those Panera Bread Republicans the Democrats have been looking for so long that finally revealed themselves this weekend.
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Aug 15, 2017 15:37
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if cuomo thinks it's a good idea, it's a bad idea
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Whenever some yankee talks poo poo about the South, I just close my eyes and think of all the times they re-elected Cuomo.
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i mean does the conversation have to only be about if the aclu screwed up? i think the broader conversation is more interesting
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the aclu did gently caress up, but that doesn't mean we should give cops and prosecutors more power imo
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we shouldn't have hate speech laws. idc about what the ACLU does.
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lol quoting yourself
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Whenever some yankee talks poo poo about the South, I just close my eyes and think of all the times they re-elected Cuomo.
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I don't think asking administrators or cops to help with fascists is all that helpful because it is a much more powerful statement to drive them out yourself.
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why would cops want to act against their best interest anyway
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Karl Barks posted:i'm still going to go ahead and say anti rioting laws will spectacularly backfire Didn't he call BLM and OWS protests riots...
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lol yeah it's real loving baffling how the argument got generalized, what with the conflation of the ACLU's opinions with random FOX news hosts and the focus on how state power should be used to categorically deny any venue just about impossible to see why proponents of free speech aren't exclusively giving detailed explanations of why fighting salient place/time restrictions for purposes of precedent to people who are expressing fundamental philosophical disagreements
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Ytlaya posted:Hamprince's attitude is basically what happens if you take a random liberal and then suddenly expose them to leftists badmouthing liberals. They instantly become defensive, because they can't really see the world in a way other than "liberals are the good guys fighting conservatives." Leftists throw a wrench in that worldview, so they feel the need to convince themselves that either 1. leftists are just as bad as right-wingers or 2. leftists are dumb and naive (which, coincidentally, is the same argument conservatives use against liberals). A deep thought is just occurring to me. It might not be explicit or conscious but I think some of you guys might not like centrism and might think it's naive or stupid. I'm just getting this vibe from some things you say. Comdiv doesn't like or care about democracy or rights. I said this ages ago.
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LGD posted:lol yeah it's real loving baffling how the argument got generalized, what with the conflation of the ACLU's opinions with random FOX news hosts and the focus on how state power should be used to categorically deny any venue If you want to be so principled, then give the Nazis your money directly.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If you want to be so principled, then give the Nazis your money directly. just an utter loving mystery why the discussion doesn't stay focused on the pros/cons of the specific legal argument
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LGD posted:just an utter loving mystery It's not too hard to figure out that you need the cover of a liberal institution, to help soften the blow of helping Nazis get free legal representation.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's not too hard to figure out that you need the cover of a liberal institution, to help soften the blow of helping Nazis get free legal representation. Oh gosh I better abandon my longstanding principles because a myopic idiot has moved on from "just asking questions" about people defending the ACLU to calling them Nazis by association
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asdf32 posted:Comdiv doesn't like or care about democracy or rights. I said this ages ago. 
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Karl Barks posted:i'm still going to go ahead and say anti rioting laws will spectacularly backfire so what are they going to do to hockey/basketball/football/etc rioters?
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LGD posted:Oh gosh I better abandon my longstanding principles because a myopic idiot has moved on from "just asking questions" about people defending the ACLU to calling them Nazis by association a woman is dead, dumbass. your principles in a practical sense mean Nazis deserve special representation in lieu of others. ACLU also represented the Citizens United case. is defense of corporate power also in line with your principles? spare me the moral posturing.
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Karl Barks posted:i'm still going to go ahead and say anti rioting laws will spectacularly backfire arent like a hundred random people from inauguration day protests still facing charges that carry 80 years in prison for this oh yeah and also Philando Castile's cousin when he participated in protests instead of Trusting The Process the only people that are ever charged with rioting are leftists lol
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:a woman is dead, dumbass. your principles in a practical sense mean Nazis deserve special representation in lieu of others. ACLU also represented the Citizens United case. is defense of corporate power also in line with your principles? tbh I think "spare me the moral posturing" works much better when your argument has a basis other than trying to induce shame through fallacious associations, in the grossly mistaken assumption that I crave your approval this is a pretty old playbook dude, I don't think anyone with a genuine interest in civil liberties hasn't seen this noise a thousand times before and your clumsy deployment isn't changing any minds
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LGD posted:tbh I think "spare me the moral posturing" works much better when your argument has a basis other than trying to induce shame through fallacious associations, in the grossly mistaken assumption that I crave your approval It's not a fallacious association. 1)> you give money to the ACLU, 2)> that they use to pay their lawyers and cover other expenses, so they can 3)> represent corporations and Nazis to boost their profile. Whether or not you get my approval is besides the point. The point is that your principles are trash.
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it's nazis all the way down
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tbh i'm more than a little disgusted that the ACLU could find time to defend bribery as free speech and nazis, but didn't expend resources protecting prisoners rights to read books from the prison library
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's not a fallacious association. I mean if you're not relying on me caring about your opinion of my character why do you think "your principles are trash" and "it's not fallacious to call you a Nazi supporter" would be, uh, remotely persuasive? your "arguments" exclusively consist of strident condemnations and demands that people justify themselves to you, while completely eliding any attempt to persuade through any means beyond association fallacies and emotional appeals that's extremely uncompelling, especially since, again, this is all very old-hat authoritarian stuff
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the nazis: we want to come to your town and kill people Charlottesville: no it isnt allowed aclu: you have to let them kill whomever they like the nazis: kill people aclu: justice has prevailed
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