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Lastgirl posted:America literally has more than enough resources, it's so painfully obvious that all that surplus could be utilized so it IS bullshit to look at it and say no, it's not possible. There's like a moral obligation here because of the knowledge of said resources, and the knowledge of the endeavor to strive to putting them to good use. george mcgovern's loss destroyed the democratic party's belief that ambitious plans would win votes. the reagan & clinton eras solidified this and created a huge number of dems that fundamentally do not understand that flimsy defense of the status quo was not supposed to be a permanent plan but a temporary holding pattern to wait out the conservative wave. so, now, in a time when mcgovern would win handily, they don't understand that this is the moment for decisive reform, the swing of the pendulum back their way after 45 years that the mid-century dems could only hope would happen eventually
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I just cannot understand how liberals are so resigned in this bunker mentality that they have to reaffirm to themselves loudly in front of others with their eyes closed derisively "nope it doesn't work..". It is Un-American as hell because you've replaced value for currency 
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UHC is not as popular as it should be precisely because Dems have made sure it isn't. When Dems can't offer alternatives, or concern-troll about taxes/prices, they are actively kneecapping a good policy.
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Jazerus posted:george mcgovern's loss destroyed the democratic party's belief that ambitious plans would win votes. oh hey speaking of the AFL-CIO being poo poo
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Jazerus posted:george mcgovern's loss destroyed the democratic party's belief that ambitious plans would win votes. you mean after they intentionally stabbed him in the back? mcgovern illustrates the fundamental problem with the dem establishment today. they'd rather lose to republicans like nixon than win under anything close to leftism
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some dem supporters are anti-medicare-for-all partly becauss they don't want to admit to being wrong and partly because often voters without a thought-out ideology will pick a politician or party to support and then end up adopting their positions where they were different. witness republicans shifting en masse to free trade being bad
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https://twitter.com/BoydMelson/status/897465672288133125 we do this yet
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i remember getting into it with marcus h johnson on twitter and he had all these checkmark nerdlingers going "but who is gonna count the beans??" like that fuckin matters. nationalize the healthcare companies and get the workers who are already managing it to keep doing what they do!
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we are ONLY NOW picking up where lbj left off the mid-century dem agenda stalled for 50 years and now the dems themselves are the biggest obstacle to restarting it
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Serf posted:like even assuming you had to raise taxes on the poor to pay for uhc (unlikely), whats that gonna be? a 5% raise? i already pay double that in actual money for healthcare as it is, so you'd be saving my rear end money I cannot overstate how much more comfortable I would be in a socialist state
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Frijolero posted:More 👏 Women 👏 Oligarchs More 👏 Women 👏 Nazis 
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gradenko_2000 posted:I cannot overstate how much more comfortable I would be in a socialist state it seems like 99% of us would be more comfortable in a socialist state
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Centrists should just stick to numbers crunching and tweaking policies and not public service because they'll never be able to capture the public space, like ever so they should just put a sock in it and only speak up when there's a budgetary flaw that can be remedied because they don't do vision, they do numbers. Without vision they just go in circles, like they have. They need to be restructured in the party where they aren't visionaries because they literally have none. Flaw of democracy and all when they're in charge and then decide to follow the bible of the numbers for some o that fiscal conservatism to get some of that bipartisanship going but without the realization that they're just secret republicans who believe in the value of hard work. They really truly believe that hard work will set you free~  It's just that, dude.... the game is rigged, so all that hard work you're espousing to value? You're just being screwed over for it eventually, you just think you're untouchable now because of that unwavering dogmatic adherence to that, which granted you the perceived wealth and power afforded now because you were able to capitalize on it literally before the pie tray was nothing but crumbs and left over for the rest of the American people. But even the illusion is evaporating pretty fast in the face of blatant fascism.What's really damning is that they espouse the value of hard work but are willing to get easy as gently caress money from the donor class so they're full of poo poo. I've truly have seen banality and inanity personified.
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SKULL.GIF posted:More 👏 Women 👏 Nazis Duca is good
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Jazerus posted:george mcgovern's loss destroyed the democratic party's belief that ambitious plans would win votes. the reagan & clinton eras solidified this and created a huge number of dems that fundamentally do not understand that flimsy defense of the status quo was not supposed to be a permanent plan but a temporary holding pattern to wait out the conservative wave. so, now, in a time when mcgovern would win handily, they don't understand that this is the moment for decisive reform, the swing of the pendulum back their way after 45 years that the mid-century dems could only hope would happen eventually almost as if a cult developed from it out of dogmatic principle because people kinda get nutty like that sometimes, especially when it takes too long  even the best laid plans etc
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i love it when ppl who make all of their money through rents and financial instruments talk about the value of hard work
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Al! posted:i love it when ppl who make all of their money through rents and financial instruments talk about the value of hard work wait until you get lectured on working harder by a guy who runs a loving pawn shop that he started with his dad's money
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Like even in a country of only brainiac ivy league ghouls, substance and purpose in policy would still be important, why are these idiot lanyards trying to be number fetishists in a country of people who have too much going on and living paycheck to paycheck?
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if you want to see some really bad dem stuff re: immigrants and crop picking go see JCs recent posts in the Dems are a waste thread. it's bad 2.0
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:..........#theresistance!! Lmao Reagan has had a more negative impact on the modern black community than most of the confeds whose statues are being rightfully destroyed gently caress Joy Reid
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JC is a real gently caress and 90% of the reason I don't even glance at D&D anymore. There's nobody worse than a concern-trolling, bad faith centrist cosplaying as a totally-normal just-asking-questions wonk.
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Al! posted:i love it when ppl who make all of their money through rents and financial instruments talk about the value of hard work My coworkers get mega rustled when I tell them the black person at McDonald's giving me my breakfast is the hardest worker I'll meet that day
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Lastgirl posted:Duca is good other than when she is not, such as here
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Dreylad posted:Move it somewhere obscure, erect a giant statue of John Brown peeing on it, whatever, I just don't think it's generally a good idea to knock over objects that represent an uncomfortable part of a nation's past. it doesn't "represent" an uncomfortable part of the nation's past it commemorates and celebrates it if you want to make sure the past is remembered, don't keep the old monuments - replace them with new, better, more accurate monuments, things that make clear that these people were slaveholding traitors rather than heroic freedom fighters. Dreylad posted:the meaning of these things isn't fixed, is my point, and you can do things other than smashing them in order to rob them of their representation of white power you can change what they mean to you, but you can't change what they mean to other people white supremacists will continue to see them as heroes to worship, while African-Americans will continue to see them as celebrations of people who risked their lives to treat non-whites as property rather than human beings
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:other than when she is not, such as here Nah she's right There's a lot of patriarchal undertones here thats generally a thing with fascism yanno, big strong daddy~ Also the car driver beat up his mom up over video games and killed a 32 year old woman so 
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zegermans posted:My coworkers get mega rustled when I tell them the black person at McDonald's giving me my breakfast is the hardest worker I'll meet that day 
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The Muppets On PCP posted:lol never not gonna post this when someone mentions juggalos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiYeVWTL11Q
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I don't appreciate Skull.gif framing Duca as a liberal because he's got the context wrong, it's literally anything but that. She's saying it's not exclusive that women would be in the ranks, not that there aren't women nazis and that there needs to be some to balance it out like a liberal would say. Duca was pointing out how the group were largely white males because she's dealing with trolls with fragile egos who'll eschew that minor detail no matter what and get the vapors so she literally had to put a disclaimer there.
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wtf is wrong with wanting to smash the patriarchy
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Al! posted:wtf is wrong with wanting to smash the patriarchy extremely centrist:] its too expensive like sephora
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ThndrShk2k posted:*imagines this being said with a southern drawl. I mean it sucks that wage slavery is a thing and that black people are economically condemned to such poo poo jobs because capitalism is a lie, but I like making racists mad.
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Willa Rogers posted:I think it means "don't be mean to nazis bc they're gonna be stronger than us when they retaliate" no, what he means is "don't be mean to Nazis because they're going to be stronger than you when they retaliate" there's no "us" in those comments. the way they're talking implies that they think that in a situation where right-wing militias were literally shooting people in the streets, most people would stay neutral and not get involved or come to antifa's aid the only way that the fascists outnumber anti-fascists is if the centrists look at neo-Nazis starting the loving RaHoWa and smugly think "well, I warned those dumb antifa kids" before turning on some loud music so the screams of black people being murdered don't interrupt their centrist zen
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Main Paineframe posted:no, what he means is "don't be mean to Nazis because they're going to be stronger than you when they retaliate" they voted for hillary and warned people. they've done enough
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Main Paineframe posted:it doesn't "represent" an uncomfortable part of the nation's past make all confederate statues into toilets so that i can piss on em
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Mods give this city councilman an account pls https://twitter.com/CharlieReece/status/897271157975416834 https://twitter.com/johnthorntonjr/status/897438322821398529 ^ He retweeted that
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the bitcoin of weed posted:make all confederate statues into toilets so that i can piss on em don't steal my copyrighted posts! 👮
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Lauren Duca literally put a disclaimer for liberals specifically and she gets called out for one, im still lol'ing a Vice contributor, and Teen Vogue columnist thats some real good poo poo right there my dude 👌
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the bitcoin of weed posted:make all confederate statues into toilets so that i can piss on em my friend, they are already toilets 
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toilet is a state of mind
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Frijolero posted:Mods give this city councilman an account pls haha
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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/897477212663926785 id bring a fuckin slip and slide to this slope bitch
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