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This is a shot in the dark, but I remember SMG mentioning one of a zillion B-movies with "Alien" in the title, about a man transforming into an alien monster, and culminating in his lover saving him by torching him with a flamethrower. Anyone know what I'm talking about? There are too many alien body-horror movies for me to just go digging through Wikipedia. Oh, and have we ever discussed Carnosaur in this thread? If not, why not? It's an incredibly cheap Corman joint, but rather than being a gory take on Jurassic Park, it's loosely based on a James Tiptree story and does a shocking circuit through the anxieties over the tyranny of biology and sex present in her work.
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Snak posted:This is gonna sound really petty, but here goes: What's really amusing is the history of that film's title: quote:Blade Runner (a movie) is a science fiction novella by Beat Generation author William S. Burroughs, first published in 1979.[1]
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Aug 15, 2017 21:15
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precision posted:What's really amusing is the history of that film's title: Yeah, I've heard that story. A good title doesn't need a good connection to the story to be a good title, but a good story will have a fitting title. CelticPredator posted:I don't want to see a movie called John Wick. Sounds like a boring drama about a guy who sells air fragrance outlets. quote:Also I super disagree that movie titles are interesting to discuss. Most titles are thrown together at the end just to give it a name. Some are creative, but not usually. Snak fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Aug 15, 2017 |
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Aug 15, 2017 21:17
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Harbinger Down is a fine title because the ship goes down.
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Aug 15, 2017 21:18
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Snak posted:Thanks. It's making me want to go do a big post about movie titles in general in the main thread, because it could be a really interesting topic to discuss. Please do make that thread.
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Aug 15, 2017 21:33
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More on topic, Alien: Covenant's title is wonderful specifically because it can be read with or without the colon.Halloween Jack posted:This is a shot in the dark, but I remember SMG mentioning one of a zillion B-movies with "Alien" in the title, about a man transforming into an alien monster, and culminating in his lover saving him by torching him with a flamethrower. Anyone know what I'm talking about? There are too many alien body-horror movies for me to just go digging through Wikipedia. Transformations, AKA Alien Transformations (1988, d.p. Sergio Salvati of Zombie, Puppetmaster, Ghoulies 2 & The Beyond). Only really watchable if you like Z-Grade horror, but also surprisingly effective at points. The ending is the actual good part.
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Aug 15, 2017 23:43
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SMG watch that art references video.
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Aug 16, 2017 00:28
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Transformations, AKA Alien Transformations (1988, d.p. Sergio Salvati of Zombie, Puppetmaster, Ghoulies 2 & The Beyond). quote:Only really watchable if you like Z-Grade horror,
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Aug 16, 2017 02:18
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ruddiger posted:Pretty good visual comparison video comparing scenes from Covenant to classical works of art. The Isle of the Dead one is an especially great catch. I picked up the little artbook version from Target today, it's got some neat shots of David's workshop and production sketches and such, but the best page has three pictures; a neomorph, a xenomorph, and a squishy translucent neomorph with pink guts. (maybe Oram's baby?) But what makes it the best page is a quote from Michael Fassbender "As much as it is horrific, there's a beauty to it." 
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Aug 16, 2017 02:53
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Gonz posted:Is there a special steelbook copy or some version with an extra CD or something at Best Buy or Target I should know about? The special edition at Target has the 30+ page artbook. The discs are in the book. It's pretty badass, and it won't be around for long.     
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Aug 16, 2017 03:57
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Second best page.
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Aug 16, 2017 04:01
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David thinking while drawing, "this is how I will rape all humans". Humans are just skeletons to David.
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Aug 16, 2017 04:05
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:SMG watch that art references video. I did - and there's a bit of a minor error there, because they don't take the full implications of the referentiality into account. David has made a reference to Bocklin's Isle Of The Dead series, with the design of his garden cemetery - and that means the image in the film is actually an indirect homage to HR Giger's Homage To Bocklin:  Giger's painting functions as an unofficial sixth painting in the series, and omits the boat and its occupants - implying that the soul has now arrived at its destination, and there are no more illusions. Bocklin's subtext is flipped into text. So again, it's important to understand that nearly all the references in the video (mainly those to Gustave Dore) are consciously evoked by David -especially the 'Rain Of Fire', which is both David's personal flashback and a vision that he transmits almost-directly to Walter. (On that topic, I finally got the plastic disc and I gotta say it's weird how the exposition in the Advent short all but objectively confirms my reading of the David character. On the one hand, it kinda deflating to dispel the ambiguity with blunt exposition. But, on the other hand, the imagery of the short is deliriously abstract. Try watching Advent with the sound off.) Also, a quick aside on the importance of naming: Tennessee wasn't named that because he comes from Tennessee. The unspoken detail in the film is that he got his name from being close friends with Daniels and Jack. After those two got married, Jack distanced himself from their joke and took to calling himself Jake instead. But then, we have the other unspoken detail in the film: despite being married to Jake Branson, Daniels still goes by her maiden name - because she wishes to maintain that connection to T. So, you have a love triangle expressed purely through three characters' names. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Aug 16, 2017 |
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Aug 16, 2017 08:39
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Actually T's real name is Absolute. Daniels real Name is Evan Walker.
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Aug 16, 2017 10:05
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Also David is actually a secret Roomba. That's the joke.
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Aug 16, 2017 10:08
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CelticPredator posted:Also David is actually a secret Roomba. That's the joke. Now that you mention it, considering that a genocide happened just outside the walls of that Engineer temple, the interior of it was unusally tidy.
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Aug 16, 2017 10:15
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I can't find that video showing all the visual references in Prometheus to Erich von Daniken type stuff.
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Aug 16, 2017 15:02
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Tennessee wasn't named that because he comes from Tennessee. The unspoken detail in the film is that he got his name from being close friends with Daniels and Jack. Haha, holy loving poo poo.
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Aug 16, 2017 16:18
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Halloween Jack posted:I continue to be baffled by people whose ideal Alien film is "Starship Troopers with no element of satire." A bug hunt. There is nothing mysterious at all about people who want guilt-free war porn.
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Aug 16, 2017 23:52
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Haha, holy loving poo poo. The entire Alien saga is a critique of states creatively exploiting "traditional culture" to sell booze. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_whiskey
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Aug 17, 2017 00:04
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Got my Blu-Ray copy of Alien: Covenant yesterday and rewatched. Like Prometheus, it rewards a second and third viewing. I think I'll watch the extras tomorrow night in a double-feature with those Blompfkampf indie films on YouTube.Paolomania posted:There is nothing mysterious at all about people who want guilt-free war porn. But I think I figured it out: I've often heard the Alien movies equated with zombie movies. (Which isn't entirely wrong; at least the people doing this have identified a motif of metamorphosis rather than mere consumption.) And zombie movies are definitely subjects of people's desire for war porn where they use heavy weaponry to slaughter a horde of subhumans. What's more subhuman than a person who's been transformed into a xenomorphic drone?
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Aug 17, 2017 16:34
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I rewatched Covenant last night too and it really struck me this time just how much Fassbender was channeling Peter Cushing. I refuse to believe that I'm just projecting my love of Cushing onto him, it had to be a purposeful thing. His "2000 souls" line when he finds out that the Covenant is a colony mission is straight out of a Cushing Frankenstein flick.
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Aug 17, 2017 16:47
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Finally saw Covenant. Boring movie about robot with daddy issues, terrible waste of the premise of alien. Seriously, I don't know why anyone likes Prometheus or this one. EDIT: seriously, like 5 hours to do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHGHkGmOmD4 but duller and without the punchline. a foolish pianist fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Aug 17, 2017 |
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Aug 17, 2017 17:53
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A telegram from the internet: finally saw covenant stop boring movie stop terrible waste stop cannot understand stop stop stop stop query seriously
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Aug 17, 2017 19:46
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Aug 17, 2017 20:06
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Bought the Target media book yesterday and watched the movie for the first time. Other than the disc falling out when you open the book the movie owned bones. Love the grain, was it shot on film? Anyone have a link to the page from when the movie came out in theaters? I want to read the early comments about it now that I've seen it. tia
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Aug 17, 2017 20:26
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I could understand finding it boring but thinking it's a waste of Aliens is bonkers. They've mined everything they can from Aliens and trying to make a scary movie with Aliens is dumb cause it's not the 80s anymore.
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Aug 17, 2017 20:29
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Invalid Validation posted:I could understand finding it boring but thinking it's a waste of Aliens is bonkers. They've mined everything they can from Aliens and trying to make a scary movie with Aliens is dumb cause it's not the 80s anymore. People want the Alien version of Terminator Genysis and Ridley seems to be having an absolute blast denying it to them. It's great.
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Aug 17, 2017 20:34
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Basebf555 posted:People want the Alien version of Terminator Genysis and Ridley seems to be having an absolute blast denying it to them. It's great. ...not really, though? Covenant is what the Alien version of Genisys looks like, in every regard except the actual inclusion of old characters.
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Aug 17, 2017 20:42
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Boinks posted:Love the grain, was it shot on film? I don't think Scott has shot on film in years. I'm pretty sure Covenant was shot on Arri Alexa XTs, and they wound up doing some weird poo poo with a GoPro rig for some shots.
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Aug 17, 2017 20:53
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:...not really, though? Covenant is what the Alien version of Genisys looks like, in every regard except the actual inclusion of old characters. You'll have to explain that one.
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Aug 17, 2017 21:04
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:...not really, though? Covenant is what the Alien version of Genisys looks like, in every regard except the actual inclusion of old characters. Prometheus and Covenant are telling a completely different story than Alien or Aliens, Terminator Genisys was basically like "we have to figure out how to tell the same story as before without it feeling stale, lets just use time travel to reboot everything!"
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Aug 17, 2017 21:12
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"It's the same characters, and the same plot as before! Except just a little bit different!!! This time, the Terminator was waiting for the other Terminator!!!"
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Aug 17, 2017 21:20
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Basebf555 posted:Prometheus and Covenant are telling a completely different story than Alien or Aliens, Terminator Genisys was basically like "we have to figure out how to tell the same story as before without it feeling stale, lets just use time travel to reboot everything!" Yeah, I couldn't believe it when Genisys resorted to using time travel in a Terminator movie.
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Aug 17, 2017 21:20
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"Remember Ripley? Remember Newt? Well this time she isn't dead and she's a badass now! Also Aliens and mech suits! Pulse Rifles pew pew!"
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Aug 17, 2017 21:22
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Sir Kodiak posted:Yeah, I couldn't believe it when Genisys resorted to using time travel in a Terminator movie. Yea they used it in the most boring way imaginable, as a tool to justify retreading everything that'd already been done before.
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Aug 17, 2017 21:25
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Basebf555 posted:Yea they used it in the most boring way imaginable, as a tool to justify retreading everything that'd already been done before. There's actually many things from the previous movies that don't show up in Genisys. Unless you just mean the few things that did show up again, in which case this complaint applies equally well to Terminator 2. Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Aug 17, 2017 |
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Aug 17, 2017 21:29
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Sir Kodiak posted:There's actually many things from the previous movies that don't show up in Genisys. Then they are the lucky things.
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Aug 17, 2017 21:32
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Sir Kodiak posted:There's actually many things from the previous movies that don't show up in Genisys. We could probably argue about that all day, we'll have to agree to disagree about it in the Alien thread. To bring it back to my original point though, Alien, at least 3/4 of it, is a slasher flick set in space. Prometheus and Covenant aren't even trying to adhere to that structure, with the arguable exception of the last 10 minutes or so of Covenant(which I personally feel should have been cut). Not all fan service is inherently bad, Scott refocused on the xenomorph because he realized that fans wanted it, but at the same time he was able to tell a completely different type of story with them.
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Fair enough. I'll just make the brief point that if you weren't relieved that Genisys didn't star an outrageously edgy teenager, you haven't seen Terminator 2 recently enough.
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