Trump Thread II: The man make a tweet

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Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Just caught up after pages and pages of new developments. I attended Heather's funeral at the Paramount, and I'm glad to say that I didn't see a single Nazi in the vicinity. Police were swarming the Mall, but I think they probably knew not to come here after what happened.

Despite the eyebrows raised by Heather's stepfather's "all lives matter" comment, the people who spoke were pretty adamant about changing the world for the better and not giving in to hate. That's not an easy message to hear, and especially for people who knew Heather better than I did (she and I never crossed paths much in school). I thought everyone did a great job. Her Mom in particular did a really good job of giving a non-political political speech (if that makes sense). You'll probably see it on the national news.

There was only a single interruption: at the very end of the service, as the family was preparing to file out, some genius decided that it would be a great time to start haranguing about Trump. A lot of the people inn the audience - me included - probably agreed with what the woman was saying, but nobody wanted to hear it in the middle of Heather's service.

I'm very glad to hear the guys that were talking about showing up to cause problems were just all bluster.

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Aramis: Sep 22, 2009

moostaffa posted:

LOL, the "star" of the Vice Charlotteville video
https://twitter.com/Henry_Langston/status/897846695916187652

"If I had been allowed to bring my gun, I wouldn't have felt compelled to be preemptively violent"

Making a great case for yourself there buddy.

# ? Aug 16, 2017 20:23

coyo7e: Aug 23, 2007; by zen death robot

holy poo poo Sessions is enthusiastically telling a story about someone raping an old lady, in great detail

"it's not an aberration, really"

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No Butt Stuff: Jun 10, 2004

Jeff needs an oxygen tube.

# ? Aug 16, 2017 20:24

Casey Finnigan: Apr 30, 2009; Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔

Autism Sneaks posted:

lmao you can't even be nice to the people mostly agreeing with you

from a couple pages back but hey rear end in a top hat just so you know any Jewish person could see through your anti-semitic dogwhistle bullshit in a second when you were arguing with evilweasel, and you can go gently caress off.

This was his post that started it btw

Autism Sneaks posted:

Why does anti-Semitism get a call out when the catch-all racial bigotry is more germaine? I know there were neo-Nazis there, but it was a protest over a Confederate statue. And its especially loving hilarious when Bibi Jr. was just on the record calling BLM "thugs"

lmao why talk about anti-semitism when noted (((Jew))) the son of right-wing rear end in a top hat bibi is a right wing rear end in a top hat?

# ? Aug 16, 2017 20:24

Harrow: Jun 30, 2012

Deified Data posted:

Run a social democrat. Inspire the base, run someone who's politics are so sexy they'll forgive small transgressions.That's it, it's that simple.

That said, you are right to be worried.

Well, I hope that happens.

I do worry that the logistics of the race will be such an uphill climb that policy won't be the deciding factor at all. Trump and the GOP still have plenty of time to hit the gas on voter suppression efforts and plenty of time to lay the groundwork to kill the reputations of any Democratic rising stars, establishment or otherwise, before the primary even begins.

I don't think it'll be impossible, but I bet it's going to be even harder than 2016, even if Trump's approval stays in the shitter.

# ? Aug 16, 2017 20:25

Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

coyo7e posted:

holy poo poo Sessions is enthusiastically telling a story about someone raping an old lady, in great detail

"it's not an aberration, really"

He's just telling the press about his weird fetishes now so that later they can't claim he hid them.

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evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

Harrow posted:

Well, I hope that happens.

I do worry that the logistics of the race will be such an uphill climb that policy won't be the deciding factor at all. Trump and the GOP still have plenty of time to hit the gas on voter suppression efforts and plenty of time to lay the groundwork to kill the reputations of any Democratic rising stars, establishment or otherwise, before the primary even begins.

I don't think it'll be impossible, but I bet it's going to be even harder than 2016, even if Trump's approval stays in the shitter.

Democrats can, and should, work on winning as many state level positions in 2018 to begin rolling that poo poo back ahead of 2020. It's important not to neglect the state level this time.

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Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

Deified Data posted:

Run a social democrat. Inspire the base, run someone who's politics are so sexy they'll forgive small transgressions.That's it, it's that simple.

Yup. There's a really good piece in NY Mag today that I posted in the Bad Dems thread, and it has this to say on the matter: (emphasis mine)

quote:

The strength of the populists� case lies in a simple fact: Democrats have everything to gain by polarizing the electorate around issues of economics. In Drutman�s analysis, 73.5 percent of 2016 voters espoused broadly liberal views on economic policy. If people voted solely on the basis of their intuitions about how government should intervene in the economy (when interrogated about such matters by pollsters), Democrats would dominate all levels of government.

As we�ve established, that isn�t how most people vote. Rather, people generally cast their ballots on the basis of which candidate or party they identify with � which is to say, the one that seems to best represent people like them. The GOP has built a formidable coalition through its mastery of white middle class � and conservative Christian � identity politics.

But all voters possess myriad social identities, including latent ones. A single individual may understand herself in relation to a political party, religious group, line of work, ethnic heritage, gender, and socioeconomic stratum. And since Trump took office last January, the GOP has done (virtually) everything in its power to inform the vast majority of its voters that it does not stand for them, in their capacity as working people.

Congressional Republicans have spent the bulk of the past six months trying to make health care more expensive, and less accessible, for lower middle-class, elderly Americans, especially those who reside in rural areas � in other words, a wide swath of their own base. They have done this largely for the sake of carving out budgetary space for cutting taxes on the very wealthy.

There are already signs that these betrayals are bringing some GOP voters� class identities to the fore. A recent Vox/Survey Monkey poll found that one in seven Trump supporters feared that the GOP health-care bill would hurt them. These voters are, in the aggregate, poorer and less economically secure than the president�s other supporters. Critically, their fear of Trumpcare appears to be alienating them from the president: Compared to other Trump backers, they are less confident in the president�s economic management, and more concerned about the Russia scandal and the administration�s alleged ethical violations.

This presents Democrats with an opportunity. And there�s good reason to think that a populist turn � which is to say, a conscious effort to increase the electoral salience of economic class through rhetoric and policy � is the best way to capitalize on it.

# ? Aug 16, 2017 20:26

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Harrow posted:

Well, I hope that happens.

I do worry that the logistics of the race will be such an uphill climb that policy won't be the deciding factor at all. Trump and the GOP still have plenty of time to hit the gas on voter suppression efforts and plenty of time to lay the groundwork to kill the reputations of any Democratic rising stars, establishment or otherwise, before the primary even begins.

I don't think it'll be impossible, but I bet it's going to be even harder than 2016, even if Trump's approval stays in the shitter.

trump's as popular as dirt so i doubt he'll do very well killing the reputations of democrats who haven't done the work for him. voter suppression is a very real concern though

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evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

https://twitter.com/dannowicki/status/897901934941687808

that will be interesting if it happens and mcconnell will be piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissed

# ? Aug 16, 2017 20:27

coyo7e: Aug 23, 2007; by zen death robot

He is the least threatening lawman I've ever seen, it's like Mister Magoo telling a kid to get off his lawn or he'll turn on the sprinkler

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No Butt Stuff: Jun 10, 2004

Jeff, you really need to figure out that threatening to withhold unrelated funding is not a great way to get your way.

You are going to get your rear end in a top hat sued off your Elven body.

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Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

evilweasel posted:

Democrats can, and should, work on winning as many state level positions in 2018 to begin rolling that poo poo back ahead of 2020. It's important not to neglect the state level this time.

Yeah exactly. Also Trump isn't going to have the entire media white washing him and making him look super fun this time because OBVIOUSLY he's going to lose so they can treat the entire election like a carnival freak show.

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald: Feb 2, 2017

Radish posted:

I'm very glad to hear the guys that were talking about showing up to cause problems were just all bluster.

Me too. I was a bit worried about going because of the threat of violence, but Charlottesville is my town, and I was damned if I was going to be scared away by a bunch of outside agitators. Also, I wanted to be a representative of my class.

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Harrow: Jun 30, 2012

evilweasel posted:

Democrats can, and should, work on winning as many state level positions in 2018 to begin rolling that poo poo back ahead of 2020. It's important not to neglect the state level this time.

I'm in Wisconsin, so 2018 is going to be a big one for us.

# ? Aug 16, 2017 20:27

coyo7e: Aug 23, 2007; by zen death robot

wait, he's now claiming that LESS people will report crimes if we don't crack down with mandatory minimums and deportation. He's getting into the Trump Wasteland stuff now

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evilweasel posted:

https://twitter.com/dannowicki/status/897901934941687808

that will be interesting if it happens and mcconnell will be piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissed

This is probably the best thing Flake could hope for....

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Shitshow posted:

Has this been posted yet? Because it is so sweet.

https://twitter.com/Henry_Langston/status/897846695916187652

This is definitely going to last more than four hours.

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Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Me too. I was a bit worried about going because of the threat of violence, but Charlottesville is my town, and I was damned if I was going to be scared away by a bunch of outside agitators. Also, I wanted to be a representative of my class.

thank you for protesting those assholes

# ? Aug 16, 2017 20:29

No Butt Stuff: Jun 10, 2004

coyo7e posted:

wait, he's now claiming that LESS people will report crimes if we don't crack down with mandatory minimums and deportation. He's getting into the Trump Wasteland stuff now

He's talking about "facts" and then stating his opinions.

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Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

evilweasel posted:

imagine being such a broke-brained idiot that your reaction to "the president is literally supporting neo-nazis" is to rush to start defining good liberals and bad liberals

there are no good liberals I thought I was clear on this

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Harrow posted:

Well, I hope that happens.

I do worry that the logistics of the race will be such an uphill climb that policy won't be the deciding factor at all. Trump and the GOP still have plenty of time to hit the gas on voter suppression efforts and plenty of time to lay the groundwork to kill the reputations of any Democratic rising stars, establishment or otherwise, before the primary even begins.

I don't think it'll be impossible, but I bet it's going to be even harder than 2016, even if Trump's approval stays in the shitter.

Policy wasn't important in the last election, either. It had literally nothing to do with Hillary's policy positions*, but that she seemed "corrupt" or "lying". Coupled with the fact that her victory was seen as a foregone conclusion.

*I get that people here have problems with them, but lol the general public doesn't have that nuanced an opinion.

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Pembroke Fuse: Dec 29, 2008

Deified Data posted:

Run a social democrat. Inspire the base, run someone who's politics are so sexy they'll forgive small transgressions.That's it, it's that simple.

That said, you are right to be worried.

This. Social democrats can represent pretty everything the left stands for without uttering the dread word "socialism".

# ? Aug 16, 2017 20:29

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

mcmagic posted:

This is probably the best thing Flake could hope for....

nah: it may help Flake in the general, but he has to survive the primary first (and then keep the voters who trump convinced that he was an apostate traitor and get them to come out and vote)

# ? Aug 16, 2017 20:30

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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/897901625414737921

# ? Aug 16, 2017 20:30

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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Pembroke Fuse posted:

This. Social democrats can represent pretty everything the left stands for without uttering the dread word "socialism".

socialism's not really even a dread word anymore. bernie's the most popular politico in the nation despite embracing the term

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coyo7e: Aug 23, 2007; by zen death robot

We have NO reason to harbor foreign criminals... Maybe they been run out of their own towns!

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Forgall: Oct 16, 2012; by Azathoth

theflyingorc posted:

The answer to "how do we beat Trump in 2020" is to not "run" anyone. Let it be an actual primary, don't put your finger on the scale at all, and the winner shouldn't come out tainted.

I think this is probably what's going to happen.

Condiv posted:

i certainly hope that happens at least

bird cooch posted:

Lol, run a socialist for president? Sure go nuts. Better stand up a party from near scratch in less than a year.

Get started.

So you do think that in actual honest dem primary a socialist is going to win?

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Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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The Glumslinger posted:

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/897901625414737921

i'm glad people are finally dropping the idiotic horseshoe theory stuff

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No Butt Stuff: Jun 10, 2004

SNIIIIIIIIFFF. three words here SNIFF four more words here SNIIIIIIIIFFFF

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the black husserl: Feb 25, 2005

DreamShipWrecked posted:

This article sets out to attack the antifa but seems to justify their actions at every turn

That's the point. It's a clickbait headline designed to get your attention and motivate you to engage.

The internet has done really lovely things to journalism and discourse.

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Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
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Forgall posted:

So you do think that in actual honest dem primary a socialist is going to win?

i do believe one would win, yes

and i believe one could beat trump

# ? Aug 16, 2017 20:32

Mechafunkzilla: Sep 11, 2006; If you want a vision of the future...

A Bernie-style social democrat can do very well but an actual socialist with a platform of dismantling capitalism will get loving destroyed in any large-scale race in this country.

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Mechafunkzilla posted:

A Bernie-style social democrat can do very well but an actual socialist with a platform of dismantling capitalism will get loving destroyed in any large-scale race in this country.

Appropriately so

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No Butt Stuff: Jun 10, 2004

Mechafunkzilla posted:

A Bernie-style social democrat can do very well but an actual socialist with a platform of dismantling capitalism will get loving destroyed in any large-scale race in this country.

Good.

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evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/897903871888175104

i think the strategy that the trump admin has settled on is to sabatoge the exchanges by any means possible except formally not paying these subsidies - but by making them month to month you get the same net effect but deniably, so the media won't quite pick up on what is happening in the same way they would if the CSRs were actually canceled

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Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

evilweasel posted:

its not like they're plants, they're just broken people who only care about themselves

when it's everyone against the nazis there's no glory in being part of the overwhelming majority so they need to come up with reasons why everyone else opposing the nazis is garbage to feel special and righteous

Your opposition to Nazis starts and ends with saying "I think Nazis are bad". Maybe you view antifa as a necessary evil, at best, but beyond that any proposal to help neutralize the Nazi threat but which also threatens capitalism or might improve the circumstances of groups which are currently productive recruiting grounds for Nazis, you will reject out of hand on the grounds that it is impractical or immoral, respectively. You may hate Nazis and fascism but you are dead weight at best in the fight against them.

# ? Aug 16, 2017 20:35

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

Mechafunkzilla posted:

A Bernie-style social democrat can do very well but an actual socialist with a platform of dismantling capitalism will get loving destroyed in any large-scale race in this country.

bernie's referred to as socialist and i don't bother making the distinction cause it hasn't made him unpopular, and i would like that an actual socialist would be able to run someday

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Forgall: Oct 16, 2012; by Azathoth

Condiv posted:

i do believe one would win, yes

and i believe one could beat trump

I was asking bird cooch.

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