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Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

How Doers get more done
Fun Shoe
I have the sudden urge to reinstall this. I think I'm going to use one of the premade classes because I enjoy being a gimp and the lore around them. I was thinking of picking a High Elf plus the Apprentice too so everyone can blow me up. Just play the haughtiest rear end in a top hat who owns at magic but explodes if someone lights a candle near me.

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Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

Ginette Reno posted:

I have the sudden urge to reinstall this.

Morrowind: I have the sudden urge to reinstall this.

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER
:dings:
Taco Defender
I'm waiting until my depression goes away until I play this again, so I don't have it in the way of me enjoying the game to its fullest extent. So, that means it will never happen.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

How Doers get more done
Fun Shoe

Shibawanko posted:

Morrowind: I have the sudden urge to reinstall this.

Haven't finished setting it up yet but I will soonish I'm sure. I'm a bit distracted doing a Dragon Age run right now.

Trustworthy
Dec 28, 2004

with catte-like thread
upon our prey we steal

Entropy238 posted:

I think the LGNPC mods are pretty good. Pax Redoran is a wonderful extension to the vanilla House Redoran experience - though iirc there's a quest where a girl gets pragnent which doesn't really sit well with some of the other quests.

There's a lot text dumps too but it's done quite well. The skill masters LGNPC mod gives them all interesting back stories related to their in game books.

Awww man this reminds me of my last Morrowind playthrough ages, when I was getting really into some goon-loved Telvanni stronghold enhancement mod (might have been LGNPC-related, or it's own thing; I forget). Right as it was getting really interesting, the quest bugged out and I ended up with some rear end in a top hat NPC stuck in my basement, repeating lines and refusing to advance the quest until I got bummed out and stopped playing. :smith:

Trustworthy fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Aug 14, 2017

Stuporstar
May 5, 2008

Where do fists come from?

Trustworthy posted:

Awww man this reminds me of my last Morrowind playthrough ages, when I was getting really into some goon-loved Telvanni stronghold enhancement mod (might have been LGNPC-related, or it's own thing; I forget). Right as it was getting really interesting, the quest bugged out and I ended up with some rear end in a top hat NPC stuck in my basement, repeating lines and refusing to advance the quest until I got bummed out and stopped playing. :smith:

Sounds like the annoying dude LGNPC adds, who ends up in the basement if you use the UI version of LGNPC Tel Uvirith but you're not using Uvirith Inside. I got this bug report a lot because people didn't know to use the non-UI version with Uvirith's Legacy.

Trustworthy
Dec 28, 2004

with catte-like thread
upon our prey we steal

Stuporstar posted:

Sounds like the annoying dude LGNPC adds, who ends up in the basement if you use the UI version of LGNPC Tel Uvirith but you're not using Uvirith Inside. I got this bug report a lot because people didn't know to use the non-UI version with Uvirith's Legacy.

All that definitely rings a bell. One of these days my love for Morrowind will overwhelm me and I'll reinstall and give it another whirl.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Are there any major combat overhauls for Morrowind? I do enjoy the setting and I was watching an LP of it and kind of want to try some big mods with more content but the combat clickfest is a little dull for me, personally. I never understood the weird hybrid FPS/Dice Roller combat as a kid and while I understand it now it's not my cup of tea.

mbt
Aug 13, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

Are there any major combat overhauls for Morrowind? I do enjoy the setting and I was watching an LP of it and kind of want to try some big mods with more content but the combat clickfest is a little dull for me, personally. I never understood the weird hybrid FPS/Dice Roller combat as a kid and while I understand it now it's not my cup of tea.

use magic or build a character correctly

morrowind combat being super clicky is only a thing for the first hour or so, it's not worth ruining what little combat balance there is to make the first few levels even easier

e: ACTUALLY hold up i'll just link my old post

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3430891&userid=188957&perpage=40&pagenumber=8#post473178289

you're looking for: Speed and stamina tweaked. What most people don't realize is that fatigue plays a huge part in combat/success of every single action. Running (aka walking at a normal pace) drains fatigue in the base game. Having full fatigue vs. 0 fatigue should make you hit 20% more. That mod makes running drain fatigue much much slower so you'll be nearly full for the most part, making combat / magic / everything else much more likely to succeed

mbt fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Aug 14, 2017

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


OwlFancier posted:

Are there any major combat overhauls for Morrowind? I do enjoy the setting and I was watching an LP of it and kind of want to try some big mods with more content but the combat clickfest is a little dull for me, personally. I never understood the weird hybrid FPS/Dice Roller combat as a kid and while I understand it now it's not my cup of tea.

There's a combo mod called Morrowind Combat Enhanced (needs MWE)

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I know about all the factors involved I just don't particulary enjoy the random chance element or the general one note nature of the combat compared to the later games. I'll look at the combat enhancement mod. Cheers.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Aug 15, 2017

mbt
Aug 13, 2012

Private Speech posted:

There's a combo mod called Morrowind Combat Enhanced (needs MWE)

OwlFancier posted:

I know about all the factors involved I just don't particulary enjoy the random chance element or the general one note nature of the combat compared to the later games. I'll look at the combat enhancement mod. Cheers.

lol morrowind combat enhanced is super bad please don't do that to yourself

if you think oblivion/skyrim combat is anything other than one-note you should maybe try them again lol

i'm telling you a fatigue mod evens out the combat but if you want to load a weird exe alongside morrowind that adds such thrilling combat as "chop left 9 times to decapitate" be my guest

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

yeah there may be some way to make morrowind's combat more action packed and diverse but MCE is not it

greasynig
Aug 14, 2017

OwlFancier posted:

Are there any major combat overhauls for Morrowind? I do enjoy the setting and I was watching an LP of it and kind of want to try some big mods with more content but the combat clickfest is a little dull for me, personally. I never understood the weird hybrid FPS/Dice Roller combat as a kid and while I understand it now it's not my cup of tea.

Just pick a weapon thats a class skill for you and always make sure you have max stamina before you engage in a fight. Do the first dungeon and the clicking is no longer a problem. I rec running a spellsword as well just so you can always just sling spells when you dont wanna bother with the melee.

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

go Axe and grab the 2h axe from the stump next to the lighthouse in seyda neen and gently caress poo poo up

Entropy238
Oct 21, 2010

Fallen Rib
MWE is very bad and janky.

If you hate the to-hit chance mechanics start a combat specialised Redguard with Longsword and Restoration (for restoring fatigue) as majors. For most enemies you'll have a 62.5% chance to hit right out of the gate and then within a few levels you'll be hitting every single time. Keep your fatigue high.

If anything's giving you trouble chug some Sujamma and use Adrenaline Rush. Two Sujamma is enough to double your physical damage, and you can keep taking it if you need more.

If you chug 20 Sujamma you can pretty much one-shot anything in the game.

Conjuration is a pretty good choice too for getting access to a bound weapon

mbt
Aug 13, 2012

Babe Magnet posted:

go Axe and grab the 2h axe from the stump next to the lighthouse in seyda neen and gently caress poo poo up
don't forget

Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:

a hot tip ive learned about morrowind combat is the damage range on a weapon is how much you do based on when you swing

if you just left click you'll do the left most number (usually low, lowest on weapons like axes and bows) but if you hold left click until you complete the wind up animation you do the right most number

so weapons like axe chop 1-60 you want to be holding that one until you complete the animation

with dagger 10-12 just mash like crazy

it took me 15 years to learn this

greasynig
Aug 14, 2017

you can also change the settings so that whenever you tap the button it does the best possible animation for damage - be it chop, stab, etc

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
MCE was interesting as a proof-of-concept thing because of the sheer technical wizardry of it, but not for its gameplay.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


I like MCE

You just have to ignore/disable the bullet time bit

Granted it was a while since I last used it, but this discussion just made me restart the game with it, so

e:
Also I don't think going "you can just remap the button to do the best attack" is doing much for a complaint of "Morrowind combat consists of too much mashing of one button". But maybe that's just me

e2:
Literally all it does (ignoring bullet time), is let you a) do flavorful combos with your weapon, giving you reason not to just mash a single button, b) give you sliders which you can use to apply custom multipliers to enemy stats, to make the combat more the way you want, and c), give you the option of having an Oblivion style block.

But then whoever thinks Oblivion had worse combat than Morrowind, given that in my opinion that's like the one thing that was more fun in Oblivion, probably won't agree with me on the above.

e3:
Also the one-button-cast patch in MCP was made first in MWE, too. Among other innovative mods. It's pretty much just a more full-featured version of MWSE, even if it did use to have some issues with game stability in the past. But then there's people playing the game nowadays without MWSE too, so.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Aug 15, 2017

mbt
Aug 13, 2012

swiftcasting in MCP is pretty much all you need

oblivion combat is floaty, you're still mashing left click, the only difference is the rest of the game surrounding it sucks real bad

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



OwlFancier posted:

I know about all the factors involved I just don't particulary enjoy the random chance element or the general one note nature of the combat compared to the later games. I'll look at the combat enhancement mod. Cheers.

lmfao the combat in oblivion and skyrim is just as one-note except also shittier because every single enemy takes a bajillion hits to kill because bethesda couldn't think of any way to balance the combat for guaranteed hits other than to make everything a huge damage sponge

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Another decent MWE mod is Crime Enhanced

quote:

* Guards won't popup dialogue if you have a weapon or spell equipped. So if you want to just fight them, fight away. If you want to surrender, put down your weapon or spell and they'll let you.

Stealing Bugfix:
The stealing bug is the one where if you steal a particular type of item, the game will sometimes consider that item type permanently as stolen. There are two ways to work around it:
* When a guard arrests you and you pay the fine or go to jail, the stolen flag is removed from the items you had that they took.
* There are 3 members of the Thieves guild and a corrupt Imperial official who will remove the stolen flag from all the items in your inventory for a percentage of their value.
- The Imperial official charges more, but he can be used by anyone.
- The 3 thieves require that you to be in the Thieves guild and have gained a few ranks
- Locations:
- Thief 1: Balmora, South Wall Cornerclub
- Thief 2: Ald-ruhn, The Rat in the Pot
- Thief 3: Sadrith Mora, Dirty Muriel's Cornerclub
- Imperial Official: Ebonheart, Six Fishes

Light-Based Stealth & Sneaking:
*When the player enters sneak mode, they will be given a bonus to their sneaking ability (using the spell chameleon) based upon the ambient light in a cell, and their distance to any light source.

Also for anyone mourning the loss of old mods, mw.modhistory.com is far superior to Nexus for this purpose, at least as far as Morrowind is concerned. It doesn't come up as easily on Google though.

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo
Somebody just put VATS in Morrowind please

Stuporstar
May 5, 2008

Where do fists come from?
Open console.
Click on enemy.
Type "sethealth 0"

Suck it, losers. :viggo:

Edit: Alright, which one of you goons is responsible for this? http://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/45106/

Stuporstar fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Aug 16, 2017

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

Stuporstar posted:


Edit: Alright, which one of you goons is responsible for this? http://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/45106/
bonzibuddy, formerly responsible for Morrowind: Gold Edition/Morrowind 2 and permabanned last year for pretending to sell a PSP

Broken Box
Jan 29, 2009

Doc Hawkins posted:

...Huh, there are way more permanent corpses than I thought, but Ralen Hlaalo is one that a many folks find convenient.

Oh yeah I always forget Lowtax's corpse would function like Ralen. I usually just grab the BanHammer and put it on display with other oddball stuff. Too bad Arlowe isn't more convenient to get to. If he was at Sadrith Mora I'd probably use him more than Hlaalo Manor

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


SolidSnakesBandana posted:

Somebody just put VATS in Morrowind please

There's this weird lovely AutoIt mod for MWE which toggles the bullet time on combos, kinda like fallout criticals.

I haven't tried it and it probably is kinda broken (seeing as it's based on AutoIt of all things) and it's not quite VATS, but, well, yeah it's not VATS.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

Why is uh

Why is there an autoit based mod of all things

Mwe by itself makes the game horrendously unstable why would you do that except as some kind of horrible prank

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Lunchmeat Larry posted:

Why is uh

Why is there an autoit based mod of all things

Mwe by itself makes the game horrendously unstable why would you do that except as some kind of horrible prank

Seems the author was serious, even if a little bit, uhh, misguided.

Also the famous MWE instability is really not all it's made out to be, provided you use the last (1.6) version anyway. Particularly with the MWE patch in MCP that's enabled by default. At worst you'll have to eventually clean your save for references, and Oblivion had that issue natively, so v :) v

e: specifically this process, but you only need to do it after a few dozen hours playtime:

quote:

Try a clean save without MWE:
Save game in an interior cell (I tend to use one of the cave dwellings in Gnisis as they're unaffected by the mods I'm running).
Exit game.
Using Mash's Mods tab deselect MWE_Base.esp and MWE_Blocking.esp
Onto the Saves tab, select most recent savegame.
Do the "sync to load list" thing (see above).
Save
Repair All.
Optionally, right click the savegame and choose Remove > Debris Cells.
Start Morrowind and load altered save game.
Save in a new slot
Exit Morrowind
Re-enable MWE_Base.esp and MWE_Blocking.esp
Load Morrowind and open most recent save.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Aug 16, 2017

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

I use MWE most installs out of habit and I haven't been able to load saves in exterior cells (and many interiors) for about six years so I can vouch for the instability tbh

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Lunchmeat Larry posted:

I use MWE most installs out of habit and I haven't been able to load saves in exterior cells (and many interiors) for about six years so I can vouch for the instability tbh

I guess I'm wrong then. Have you tried to do things to fix your save? I'm kinda curious as to how it's so screwed up.

Guildenstern Mother
Mar 31, 2010

Why walk when you can ride?
So on my last MW binge I decided that I was going to find the perfect in game house, which led me to investigating every single NPC house in a major hub city (has some guilds and fast travel). I really recommend doing that just to see how much crazy poo poo they put in there. There's pottery workshops, some naked woodelf in a totally wrecked house with bottles strewn everywhere, all sorts of little touches for various bullshit npcs jobs etc. I never did find the perfect house, but it was a fun self imposed quest to make myself ignore all the morrowind abodes houses.

Captain Scandinaiva
Mar 29, 2010



Oh yes, I've done that. My very first character was very law-abiding so I decided my next one would be a rogue type. Systematically broke into every house and manor in Vivec. First time I don't think I even entered houses that were unlocked unless they were connected to some quest, I think I just assumed the vast majority of dwellings would be cookie-cutter content.

Lots of cool stuff to find that way.

mbt
Aug 13, 2012

every morrowind interior was made by like 3 people

really boggles the mind

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:

every morrowind interior was made by like 3 people

really boggles the mind

Almost like a... Tribunal?

Jeff Goldblum
Dec 3, 2009

Our interior decorator is ALMSIVI.

Cream-of-Plenty
Apr 21, 2010

"The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."
I pierce the room with a brush, and create a space where there once was none; a thousand dynamic light sources spring forth from my pallet, driving back the darkness; I populate the world with high-poly pots and dishes until the FPS is no more.

Gyshall
Feb 24, 2009

Had a couple of drinks.
Saw a couple of things.
use chim to fill a house with pillows

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Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

Jeff Goldblum posted:

Our interior decorator is ALMSIVI.

Cream-of-Plenty posted:

I pierce the room with a brush, and create a space where there once was none; a thousand dynamic light sources spring forth from my pallet, driving back the darkness; I populate the world with high-poly pots and dishes until the FPS is no more.

Gyshall posted:

use chim to fill a house with pillows

God I love this thread sometimes.

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