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LinYutang posted:Why would Cersei have trouble believing zombies exist considering that her bodyguard is one This part actually makes sense to me. She has no reason to believe that there is a world ending army up there, waiting to devour everything and everyone, especially since this information is coming from her enemies. A single Zombie probably wouldn't even convince her, but she actually does want a truce now, no matter the reason, so it's gonna work. emanresu tnuocca posted:The last hero wielded a dragonsteel sword according to some scroll Sam reads at the castle black library. But is that canon/in the books?
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esperterra posted:My big question is this: since it was clearly a trap and NK has some kind of foresight, why did he still let everyone live? Why did he kill airborne Viserion rather than grounded Drogon? If he needs a dragon to get past the wall he can get one and kill his main enemy all at once. the answer is bad writing
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:the answer is bad writing It is known.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Arya sucks and she is a bad actor I think Maisie Williams checked out after she tried to be all "Arya wouldn't run away like an acrobat after being stabbed in the gut" last season and the director told her to shut up and do it anyway. I assume they're just overriding all of her suggestions, because she's been great before, I don't think she suddenly unlearned how to act, they're just writing Arya shittily.
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Aug 16, 2017 20:45
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Dialogue has been awfully bad lately, not even the really good actors can do much with it
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Aug 16, 2017 20:47
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Some child actors (many child actors) get worse as they get older, but I agree it's almost def the writing's fault. Arya has gone from believable to a terminator and back to being a petulant child.
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She's a lovely girl but she was terrible in Doctor Who, really wooden. You can compensate for that with good storytelling and better actors to bounce off and learn from, but most of her dialogue this year has been with her BFF in real life who wouldn't be able, or willing, to give her the same sort of advice that someone like Charles Dance could.
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Aug 16, 2017 20:53
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why didn't x , y, z a b c logical thing happen in this episode is the same answer as the battle of the bastards where jon + a loving giant got surrounded on an open plain by a shield wall moving at .5 mph. the writers thought it'd be cool and made it happen. they're idiots. move on.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:
Yeah, from the first affc Sam chapter I think.
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RC Cola posted:Do dany and jon gently caress tho Of course they do.
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esperterra posted:In other news I liked the scene where Sansa sends Brienne away, which I'd hope is exactly why she said (she's not walking back into Cersei's hands, and what would the lords of Winterfell do if she left her seat? They're already antsy about Jon leaving to get allies, I can't see them being happy about Sansa leaving to meet with Lannisters) and not just because Littlefinger implied Brienne will protect Arya. It's to allow Brienne to come in contact with characters in the south, like the Hound and Jaime. There is no logical reason for Sansa to send her south. Additionally the show wants us to believe that Sansa sends Brienne down because of what LF told her, so we can all be shocked wenn she say "LORD BAELISH" instead of "Arya" in episode 7. GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Aug 16, 2017 |
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If I was Sansa id marry little finger and then murder him e: maybe say something like, "so how'd you like that little prick?" Right after he gets stabbed
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I think the funniest thing about Arya's face bag is that they're so obviously made of rubber. If they were leathery rags I'd be more into it.
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Solice Kirsk posted:He can't kill Jon because he loves his brother. Night King is Bran. It is known. Powers were embedded into the nk by the children, the three eyes Raven tree walkie-lookie power were given also by the children?
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esperterra posted:My big question is this: since it was clearly a trap and NK has some kind of foresight, why did he still let everyone live? Why did he kill airborne Viserion rather than grounded Drogon? If he needs a dragon to get past the wall he can get one and kill his main enemy all at once. What's that in the snow over there? Is that the script? NK did you read the script? I'm still laughing at how dumb Benjen's appearance was. Someone in the writing room definitely has a list of minor characters to get rid of and Uncle Ben got the lowest effort sendoff yet.
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So this bag of faces that Arya has, was Ed Sheeran's face at the top of the bag? If not, huge missed opportunity.
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bloom posted:I'm still laughing at how dumb Benjen's appearance was. Someone in the writing room definitely has a list of minor characters to get rid of and Uncle Ben got the lowest effort sendoff yet. He literally shows up out of nowhere. It's Benjen ex machina.
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I rather suspect it was meant to be a great "yay he's back" SHOCK HORROR I CANT BELIVE THEY KILLED HIM. Moment but hosed up because he's been away so long that no one is invested in his character.
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UnBenjen is such a lame character compared to Coldhands,
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hahahahahaha the amount of blood coming out of the dragon. holy poo poo that's some kill bill bullshit.
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Hot takes from the episode: 1. The A-Team owned, even if it was the most obvious fanservice schlock this show has ever had. 2. It was pretty convenient Dany had just gotten her winter-themed dress back from the dry cleaners in time to need to head up and help Jon out. 3. Arya is completely and utterly insufferable now, and Sansa isn't far behind her. They're actively dragging down the plot in WF now and I honestly don't think I'll even be able to enjoy LF getting iced next episode because it's going to be Arya and Sansa who profit from it. 4. Speaking of insufferable, add Tyrion and Dany's dynamic to the list. Their endless go around of "Don't use violence!" "No!" has been retread into the dirt. Also D&D must be really proud of that "break the wheel" speech because they will not shut the gently caress up about. 5. Once again, we have a scene where a good actor points out Dany and Jon want to gently caress, because Clarke and Harrington are incapable of acting like they want to gently caress. I honestly can't tell if I liked the episode or not. The high points were really high, but the low points were abysmally low.
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I still like how in the last episode, Arya, who is a trained and competent assassin who hides in plain sight leaning around a corner to spy on Littlefinger.
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lezard_valeth posted:I hope that Viserion kinda becomes more White Walkery on his next appearance. I get that they wanted to do the "spooky eye" reveal thing (even though it was pretty obvious that he was gonna get turned when you saw the zombies pulling him out) but when NK turned the baby into a WW his skin also became ice. The transformation takes longer because dragons are bigger than babbies.
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After the books I really begrudge episodes that don't show enough happening on King's Landing,
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Eastdrom posted:Yeah what the gently caress man i just watched it and that bothered me a lot too. Also the geyser of blood pissing out of Viserion from that ice spear. Do the white walkers have some magical spear that explodes in fire(?) on impact, or did it hit the dragons badly exposed fuel tank. Or do dragons just pop like loving balloons because they are 'flesh made fire' when they get pricked and why the gently caress didn't that happen to drogon when that arguably much larger spear hit him in the chest. Good episode though. I thought the bolt hit Drogon in his wing/shoulder whereas the javelin hit Viserion in his throat. That would explain everything.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I thought the bolt hit Drogon in his wing/shoulder whereas the javelin hit Viserion in his throat. That would explain everything. It did. The "mechanics" of the Viserion kill are fine, it's just the spear itself being a really dumb power to have.
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learnincurve posted:After the books I really begrudge episodes that don't show enough happening on King's Landing, I like this season but it really sucks that Kings Landing seems to have like three people in it right now.
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WampaLord posted:It did. The "mechanics" of the Viserion kill are fine, it's just the spear itself being a really dumb power to have. I mean the NK is what, at least a level 20 lich? Meanwhile Ice Spear is only a 3rd level spell, if anything it's sort of piddly.
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esperterra posted:My big question is this: since it was clearly a trap and NK has some kind of foresight, why did he still let everyone live? Why did he kill airborne Viserion rather than grounded Drogon? If he needs a dragon to get past the wall he can get one and kill his main enemy all at once. The better question is why Jon felt compelled to do a hero rush against the Night King instead of just jumping on the dragon with everyone else and telling Dany to drive-by roast his rear end. The answer of course being: bad writing.
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Also he didn't summon a magic spear into existence. He was handed a pre-made one. Yeah it flew pretty magically but those spears still have to be forged by the finest undead icesmiths.
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WampaLord posted:It did. The "mechanics" of the Viserion kill are fine, it's just the spear itself being a really dumb power to have. It would have been fine if they'd done it better visually, with the Night King either having normal follow-through to his throw so he didn't look like a robot, or just levitating it because why the gently caress not. And also the spear not flying in a different direction than it's pointing, which I've already mentioned twice but I can't get over how bad it looks. Then again it's a little strange they'd have such a perfect anti-dragon weapon when they've never fought dragons before and might not even have known they still existed.
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Noctone posted:The better question is why Jon felt compelled to do a hero rush against the Night King instead of just jumping on the dragon with everyone else and telling Dany to drive-by roast his rear end. Stuff like this wouldn't stick out so much in a TV show if GRRM hadn't taken such pains to avoid it, sometimes even to the story's detriment.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:It would have been fine if they'd done it better visually, with the Night King either having normal follow-through to his throw so he didn't look like a robot, or just levitating it because why the gently caress not. And also the spear not flying in a different direction than it's pointing, which I've already mentioned twice but I can't get over how bad it looks. Arent they immortal beings from much before men was even in Westeros? And also magical. They probably do know about dragons
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Sydin posted:Also D&D must be really proud of that "break the wheel" speech because they will not shut the gently caress up about. It is their equivalent of Make America Great Again a phrase that every viewer can project their ideas into because Dany never specified what it means. End feudalism? Clearly not, she wants to become an absolutist queen. Democracy? Such a system would make the wheel just spin faster not break it. So Dany is going to break the wheel so she can be the Breaker of Chains and the Wheel.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Arent they immortal beings from much before men was even in Westeros? And also magical. They probably do know about dragons Maybe. All we know is there were no dragons in Westeros until Aegon I, and the Others never crossed the wall after that.
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Wait no, wasn't it also implied in the show that the Others were created by the Children during their war with the First Men? So they wouldn't predate men.
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all the lower rank walkers carry those ice spear things, only the night king carries an actual sword-type weapon
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jfood posted:all the lower rank walkers carry those ice spear things, only the night king carries an actual sword-type weapon didn't Jon kill a ww guy using a sword
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jon's killed two walkers with a sword now, a sword named longclaw...
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