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Randbrick posted:I look forward to the day the Antifa riot control methodology is taught in law enforcement circles.
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ratbert90 posted:I mean, isn't showing up with torches, yelling racial epithets, and wishing the genocide of non-whites a good litmus test of "incitement to imminent lawless actions"? not really, no wishing the genocide of non-whites is not imminent: it's incitement to lawless action, but not imminent lawless action and that's pretty much the specific distinction drawn in brandenberg where it was a KKK guy calling for "revengance" against the usual enemies. yelling racial epithets is not incitement, even though it's vile. the torches are not really incitement, it's something they're doing to seem threatening and poo poo but i'm not seeing how you make it incitement, let alone imminent unless there's speeches calling to commit arson or the like
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As hosed up as this entire situation is, I at least appreciate the trajectory of events.  We're taking down this monument. NO gently caress YOU WHITE POWER We're taking down all of these monuments, as fast as possible, and we might break some. Also your face is on CNN now.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Yeah he's saying it was a corrosive acid attack mixed in with pepper spray except his eyelids, face, and sunglasses are fine. I would say he probably just squirted himself with a little shot of something spicy while no one was looking. His face is completely fine in the hospital photos. Hahaha these guys are straight up cucking themselves in public. May they never move past the shame society brings to bear.
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evilweasel posted:i don't know what feingold's problem is but if he couldn't beat ron johnson i think his political career is done It's not Feingold's problem it's that the Wisconsin electorate has moved hard right in the past ten years.
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boner confessor posted:read this thread for more about baked alaska faking his own macing for attention There are pepper sprays for training that only shoot an inert liquid, so it looks authentic but does nothing. The ER photo of him without a hint of redness or puffiness proves that whatever was in his face was not an irritant. That poo poo is no joke.
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Your Taint posted:I'm agreeing with loving Geraldo. That's how crazy things are right now. I mean... he was being facetious without realizing no one actually gives a poo poo about Columbus.
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Chilichimp posted:I mean... he was being facetious without realizing no one actually gives a poo poo about Columbus. Or that "removing a statue" is in no way synonymous with "erasing from history".
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Too Shy Guy posted:As hosed up as this entire situation is, I at least appreciate the trajectory of events. It is truly glorious.
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This article is interesting: http://prospect.org/article/steve-bannon-unrepentantquote:“To me,” Bannon said, “the economic war with China is everything. And we have to be maniacally focused on that. If we continue to lose it, we're five years away, I think, ten years at the most, of hitting an inflection point from which we'll never be able to recover.” quote:I asked Bannon about the connection between his program of economic nationalism and the ugly white nationalism epitomized by the racist violence in Charlottesville and Trump’s reluctance to condemn it. Bannon, after all, was the architect of the strategy of using Breitbart to heat up white nationalism and then rely on the radical right as Trump’s base.
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lol at the guy on msnbc calling the alt-right "Vanilla ISIS"
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evilweasel posted:not really, no I mean, yeah, if everything was separate I could see it. But combining everything together, it seems like imminently is pretty darn likely. I guess the next question would be: If Nazis keep getting punched every time they rally, and of course, punching people is illegal (although Nazis punching SHOULD be legal, I digress), then could eventually a court decide that Nazi speech poses an imminent threat of lawlessness?
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:The local news here in Charlottesville just had a story from Rob Bell (if you follow Chris-Chan, you may recognize the name) about how Virginia has a law against removing historical monuments. So just removing the Lee statue in the dead of night may not work. Does it have a law against removing monuments that are historical fiction?
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Chilichimp posted:I mean... he was being facetious without realizing no one actually gives a poo poo about Columbus. Or that he killed lots of south and central americans. Burn down the Mayflower monument tho
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moostaffa posted:This article is interesting: http://prospect.org/article/steve-bannon-unrepentant Hey Bannon, News Flash, Trump doesn't give a single gently caress about your grand plans for anything and will cast you aside at a moments notice once you start to irritate him. So keep on keeping on.
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evilweasel posted:i mean the durham people are getting prosecuted so i wouldn't exactly recommend it And the people caught on camera beating Deandre Harris haven't. 
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boner confessor posted:read this thread for more about baked alaska faking his own macing for attention The summary of this is that they had like half a dozen cameras pointed everywhere and recording yet all video around the purported attack no longer exists and the racist claiming to be a victim doesn't really show any symptoms.
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ratbert90 posted:I mean, yeah, if everything was separate I could see it. You're now missing the incitement part. You're basically arguing that violence is likely because of all of these factors but you aren't pointing to any incitement (calling for people to take that lawless action and egging them on to do it) As to the second question, the fact that people may act violently in response to speech doesn't let you ban the speech - this is called the heckler's veto argument. The speakers have to be the ones calling for violence and that's the violence that needs to be likely to happen imminently.
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moostaffa posted:This article is interesting: http://prospect.org/article/steve-bannon-unrepentant Listen you guys I'm totally in control and everyone is wetting themselves over what brilliant move I'll pull next! Edit: I agree, it is an interesting insight on how this shitheel thinks the future should play out.
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boner confessor posted:read this thread for more about baked alaska faking his own macing for attention It's entirely possible they faked their own macing to draw attention to the "violent antifa" who were assaulting them with pepper spray. They had an awful lot of milk gallons handy to pour on the faces of... the alt-right leaders who were maced for their cause.
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Kilroy posted:It is good to see this sentiment is not so taboo in this thread as it was even yesterday. Although maybe that's just the time of day. Now it is incumbent on us to ensure people know that truth. You can absolutely see the basic, textbook agitprop from the right wing, trying to muddy the public discourse on loving nazis. Fascism is first and foremost an aesthetic rejection of reality. And it's bad tacky aesthetics, too. Everyone must read all of the Frankfurt School to prepare for the thunderdome to come.
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boner confessor posted:read this thread for more about baked alaska faking his own macing for attention Incredible how they were several paces away from anyone that wasn't a facist and let he magically got sprayed. Hilariously pathetic.
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GOOCHY posted:It's not Feingold's problem it's that the Wisconsin electorate has moved hard right in the past ten years. I don't care if it's his fault or not his fault but if he can't beat Johnson either no democrat can win statewide or feingold can't and in neither of those cases is he winning another race. Johnson was a dead man walking.
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I'm sure this must have been posted ages, ago, but it's my favorite news story of the day (maybe even week) so it deserves another posting:quote:Christopher Cantwell, the vocal white supremacist featured in VICE News Tonight‘s Charlottesville documentary, showed a different side of himself after he realized that law enforcement had issued a warrant for his arrest. Cantwell recorded a video that quickly circulated on social media, showing him crying in fear that the police might hurt him. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/white-supremacist-cries-after-realizing-he-could-be-arrested/ Trump-sama was supposed to make sure this wouldn't happen! 
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Columbus's arrival didn't "ignite" genocide incidentally, Columbus was literally a committer of genocide and absolutely should not be honored. quote:When he arrived on Hispaniola in 1508, Las Casas says, "there were 60,000 people living on this island, including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it...." http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html
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moostaffa posted:This article is interesting: http://prospect.org/article/steve-bannon-unrepentant It's interesting, yes, but you'd basically do well to not take Bannon on his word on anything.
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ratbert90 posted:I mean, yeah, if everything was separate I could see it.
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FizFashizzle posted:lol at the guy on msnbc calling the alt-right "Vanilla ISIS" It's good, but unfortunately someone already came up with that for those Bundy fuckwits who took over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge a while back.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:It's good, but unfortunately someone already came up with that for those Bundy fuckwits who took over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge a while back. you think they are different people?
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At what point does it become imperative to denounce "social organizations" that espouse a rememberance of hatred, such as the Daughters of the Confederacy? I acknowledge that their organization has been active in supporting the removal of public Confederate memorial statues, but still how can such a group continue to claim some kind of moral independence from the Confederate-sympathizing white supremacy we are seeing today?
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It's terrifying that some of our senators actually believe that nonsense.
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Burning_Monk posted:you think they are different people? Sovereign Citizens and Neo-Nazis are two different groups, so yes.
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From now on, anytime someone asks me to do something I don't want to do, like the laundry, I'm going to grab them in a panic and call them a George Soros operative.
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FizFashizzle posted:lol at the guy on msnbc calling the alt-right "Vanilla ISIS" Remember when The Oregon rednecks were called Y'all Qaeda.(and before they got jury nulled)
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Oh my god his hand ew ew ew ew ew 
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PhazonLink posted:Remember when The Oregon rednecks were called Y'all Qaeda.(and before they got jury nulled) Vanilla ISIS was used then, too. There was a good Boko Haram one I'm not remembering, too. Edit: I think it was Yokel Haram lol
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