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Al-Saqr posted:what is it about alaska that makes the best socialists. it's not me but I feel like traveling to a Fairbanks YDS meeting and asking who has stairs in their house
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Al-Saqr posted:what is it about alaska that makes the best socialists. Oil money and a mostly homogenous white population which side-steps most of the divisive mainland issues.
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doesnt alaska literally have something like mincome from the oil money
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No they get like thousand bones a year after a bunch of paperwork or some such nonsense. you can't live off of it
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Awww poo poo, this is great.
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doomisland posted:No they get like thousand bones a year after a bunch of paperwork or some such nonsense. you can't live off of it oh still some extremely good comrades up there
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Aug 17, 2017 00:50
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1000 a year is a hell of a lot more than 0
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gently caress. marry. t-rex posted:If you know what is right you should do it without beating around with bureaucracy. It's called setting an example. the best way for the democratic socialists to set an example is to abandon democracy?
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Slanderer posted:the best way for the democratic socialists to set an example is to abandon democracy? Tired: kick out Danny Wired: All Hail Chairman Danny
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Business Gorillas posted:Tired: kick out Danny cosmic brain: focus on local poo poo
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Slanderer posted:the best way for the democratic socialists to set an example is to abandon democracy? government by favstar
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fermun posted:https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OwGWovbzNMGQ Jump to 15:15 this guy fuckin rules
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Venom Snake posted:"don't feel safe with someone like danny on the NPC" oh my god lol you know there are BLM members and undocumented immigrants in the DSA right? or are you laughing at undocumented immigrants being uncomfortable with a former police organizer having access the entire orgs info? cuz it it's the second you can gently caress right off
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I think the DSA cop to be kicked out or else it's COINTELPRO all over again, no quarter for CLEAT cops ever.
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i think as a democratic socialist reformist org we should not kick people out: 1. outside the democratic process 2. for heretofore nonexistent purity standards 3. for participating in fundamentally oppressive capitalist orgs with the goal of reforming them dont worry dsa troops i won't come for you on this one
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jarofpiss posted:i think as a democratic socialist reformist org we should not kick people out: also the dsa voted to work within the democratic party so they've actively endorsed 3. that's the most insane piece of this entire story: yeah our political movement is going to work within an actively oppressive pro-cop pro-war pro-capitalist pro-exploitation pro-everything-the-dsa-is-against party, and we want to purge someone who, on all accounts from people actually in austin... is actually effective at this ideal of reformism, which we may not all believe in... but that's what the DSA voted to do. jesus christ truth is the DSA has cast a broad net and the second it starts setting down some brass tacks it's going to turn some people off. as a reformist party interested in working within existing structures you want a few people with decades of experience in actively accomplishing this goal in charge. again: jarofpiss posted:okay a few things to start: danny was a labor organizer for 40 years with CWA and is famous among labor circles (not twitter) for organizing telephone and airplane workers. the verizon wireless deal that brought 40,000 workers (or whatever the number was i cant remember) was his work. Capitalism and the discourse platforms created and maintained by and for the benefit of capital holders makes wolves of us all. DSA at it's national convention voted to be a reformist party and now you have members actively working to purge effective reformists from its elected leadership so some extremely online people far the gently caress away from Texas, much less Austin, can feel good about bringing someone down and celebrating in their righteous victory over an accessible target, instead of uniting to bring down the pigs that lord over us all.
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the really funny part of that quote was where i said we were gonna start helping him with a statement then he just went and wrote one and had it put on facebook without a single person reviewing it lol
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jarofpiss posted:the really funny part of that quote was where i said we were gonna start helping him with a statement then he just went and wrote one and had it put on facebook without a single person reviewing it lol yeah he seemed to be mad honestly I'd be more worried if he wasn't extremely nude and red
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jarofpiss posted:i think as a democratic socialist reformist org we should not kick people out: 1. who gives a poo poo. 2. Purity standards are really awesome I love purity standards including standards of making sure that nobody who actively deceived the voting body by hiding their history. 3. who gives a poo poo I think people should be kicked out to make sure COINTELPRO doesnt win again, so that african americans can feel safe being in the DSA, and to send a message that deceit is not to be tolerated. If you have to pick between making african american members feel safe and get more to feel like this movement makes them feel welcome and to encourage them into joining the movement, and between some lovely texan cop nobody but a bunch of austin retards care about, then the choice is clear. Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 02:03 on Aug 17, 2017 |
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Al-Saqr posted:1. who gives a poo poo. Taintrunner posted:also the dsa voted to work within the democratic party so they've actively endorsed 3. lol
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Al-Saqr posted:If you have to pick between making african american members feel safe and get more to feel like this movement makes them feel welcome and to encourage them into joining the movement, and between some lovely texan cop nobody but a bunch of austin retards care about, then the choice is clear.
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Al-Saqr posted:1. who gives a poo poo. uhhhh this is the dsa sir i think you might be looking for a slightly smaller perhaps democratic centralist tent. if we were a different kind of org i'd agree with you. and if i thought he actively deceived the voting body i'd agree with you. but we aren't and i don't so 
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we should just kick everyone in the dsa out, it's the only way to be sure there's no cops
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Al-Saqr posted:1. who gives a poo poo. lol edit: aren't you in saudi arabia why are you nude with us
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dsa is actually a honeypot org to get all the cops to join so they are distracted, dont tell anyone
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sorry I'm being a little bit over paranoid because I've been reading alot about how nixon dealt with leftist orgs and most of my info comes from African american activists who really got pissed off at the danny vote.Business Gorillas posted:edit: aren't you in saudi arabia why are you nude with us I like to debate and learn, also I've known lots of democratic movement people who consistently got hosed whenever they'd allow anyone with a hint of police background in their movements, the only time allowing anybody with previous ties to the regime has ever worked is when theres a civil war when there's essentially no going back for them. Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 02:12 on Aug 17, 2017 |
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"I DEMAND purity in ALL things or else I split! Also, please give me the slate of Democratic Party candidates I'm supposed to vote for this November, thanks!"
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Al-Saqr posted:sorry I'm being a little bit over paranoid because I've been reading alot about how nixon dealt with leftist orgs and most of my info comes from African american activists who really got pissed off at the danny vote. i think COINTELPRO is an extremely valid concern and that's why i'm worried we're gonna start tossing people when we get the internet outrage machine turned up enough. COINTELPRO is literally why i'm concerned about the danny thing, not because i think he's a cop or a fed, but because of how susceptible we've shown ourselves to be to inflammatory stuff being thrown around about cops and feds. supposed to have processes and supposed to be explicitly democratic, purges based on google doc statements from chapters that never spoke to danny don't really count imho
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Tercio posted:"I DEMAND purity in ALL things or else I split! Also, please give me the slate of Democratic Party candidates I'm supposed to vote for this November, thanks!" Lol; dude's Saudi.
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BadOptics posted:Lol; dude's Saudi. as if half this thread doesn't feel the same way 
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i mean i think danny is doing VERY BADLY at managing all this from what i'm hearing, so i'm not really worried about if he stays or goes as long as we do it correctly. but i'm pretty sure we haven't been addressing these valid concerns that the membership have in any kind of coherent or democratic way. chapters should not be releasing statements without giving the guy a chance to publicly speak, defend himself, have an investigation by the npc, etc. that's my worry about this whole thing. all some feds have to do is a background check on an npc member and throw it out on twitter and watch the whole org catch on fire. like do we really think that the rest of the npc have completely spotless backgrounds? does it matter if they do or not if it just takes allegations to throw everything off the rails?
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Would be nice if there was a no-confidence recall mechanism for the national leadership. He loses it he's out, he wins, he stays.
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Shear Modulus posted:dsa is actually a honeypot org to get all the cops to join so they are distracted, dont tell anyone we'll take the cops and keep them busy so the frso can do the revolution
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jarofpiss posted:that's my worry about this whole thing. all some feds have to do is a background check on an npc member and throw it out on twitter and watch the whole org catch on fire. like do we really think that the rest of the npc have completely spotless backgrounds? does it matter if they do or not if it just takes allegations to throw everything off the rails? hell, for all we know, that's what happened here.
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https://twitter.com/FeralCherub/status/897976456789106688
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extremely normal website
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You owe me a new monitor because the edge in this post sliced it in half
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i saw this and i hope they didn't mean cop volunteers but meant "talked to cops" & "have volunteers" as separate thoughts. i also hope they have a statement calling for fetonte's head lol.
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its not outside of the democratic process to have the NPC vote to kick out one of its members when it has that power, god drat
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