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thorsilver posted:
I have difficulty going back to it these days, but I still think it is the best game with "Final Fantasy Tactics" in the title.
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What is FFVIII supposed to be about? I always thought of it as having a weird "Love Conquers All" theme given Squall and Rinoa and also how they are related to Laguna's two loves and stuff. Basically, Laguna and Julia were tragically split apart but it all worked out because Laguna's son and Julia's daughter hooked up.
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Aug 17, 2017 07:43
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Aug 17, 2017 08:03
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I've never played War of the Lions beyond that one mission where uh... You fight that one dude on a windmill type of map or something? I think I'm missing out
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NikkolasKing posted:What is FFVIII supposed to be about? Love...relationships....time.....something.... FF8 is confused. Bongo Bill posted:the transience of memory This is as good an answer as you're gonna get
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NikkolasKing posted:What is FFVIII supposed to be about? It's a cautionary tale of what happens when you lock 3 Japanese men in a room that has a slow gas leak.
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NikkolasKing posted:What is FFVIII supposed to be about? How to get GF
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NikkolasKing posted:What is FFVIII supposed to be about? it's also a coming-of-age thing for Squall as he goes from being emotionally stunted and rejecting friendships to being open with himself about what he wants and actually doing something about it. you can also compare him at once to both Laguna and Seifer because the games gives you plenty of cuts between them. while Laguna is a carefree guy who just wants to travel with his friends and figures everything will work out, Seifer is wholly committed to the whole "Sorceress' Knight" thing to the point he alienates everyone he knows. Squall is apart of these, because he wants friends but has a messed up idea of how relationships work since he was abandoned, and he also has some noble knight-like qualities, but his identity isn't caught up in it like Seifer's is.
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Aug 17, 2017 08:55
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I like to think FFVIII is about fate. A really weird, messy fate. But fate.
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I just watched a friend finished FFXV and man, let me tell you, it really made me appreciate FFX-2's message more.
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Aug 17, 2017 09:09
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It's about mercenaries saving the word from an evil sorceress. 
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FF8 is about how young men should learn to beat off a little when they can't get what they want right away until something better shows up.
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Gologle posted:The boss fight music when you fight Ifrit in FFXV is one of the best in the game and possibly in the series, and people who post and peruse this very thread can back me up on this. I'm catching up, but yeah this. It's better than Primal Judgement. It's real fuckin' good. Shimomura's work on XV was inspired and genuinely enhanced the mood and setting.
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Aug 17, 2017 09:51
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FF2 is about death. In that everyone dies.
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Mega64 posted:FF2 is about death. It's a poignant attack on the accumulation of objects and power because nothing you get or do means a damned thing. In every other FF game, getting Ultima is the end and you are very excited. In FF2? Thanks Minwu for loving nothing. Had to climb that damned tower and everything.
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Aug 17, 2017 10:18
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All the mainline Final Fantasies are pretty apocalyptic in scope. Entire cities get wasted, millions of people are vaporized or turned into monsters or crystal or worse, but the fashion game is always on point.
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also I just read the last page and FFX2 is telling the games with depressing endings to gently caress off and that's why it's the best ff
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morallyobjected posted:it's also a coming-of-age thing for Squall as he goes from being emotionally stunted and rejecting friendships to being open with himself about what he wants and actually doing something about it. you can also compare him at once to both Laguna and Seifer because the games gives you plenty of cuts between them. while Laguna is a carefree guy who just wants to travel with his friends and figures everything will work out, Seifer is wholly committed to the whole "Sorceress' Knight" thing to the point he alienates everyone he knows. Squall is apart of these, because he wants friends but has a messed up idea of how relationships work since he was abandoned, and he also has some noble knight-like qualities, but his identity isn't caught up in it like Seifer's is. ...whatever.
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exquisite tea posted:All the mainline Final Fantasies are pretty apocalyptic in scope. Entire cities get wasted, millions of people are vaporized or turned into monsters or crystal or worse, but the fashion game is always on point. FFIX is surprisingly destructive, given its cheerier tone overall. Most of the cities in the game experience some type of horrible apocalyptic event over the course of the game, sometimes two. I think maybe Treno gets away pretty clean? It does have a pretty drat happy ending, though. Except for poor Vivi 
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Treno gets the worst fate of all. A Tetra Master tournament.
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The White Dragon posted:now rng is kind of okay on its own, but when you combine it with a skill check, it disincentives playing well and adhering to your bonus condition. it's ramming two diametrically-opposed principles against each other, and that's just straight-up poor design. I'm trying to avoid a giant screed about the game's design here, so let me try to summarize it. The point systems are there to promote the competitive/cooperative aspects of the game simultaneously because of how they play into both the Artifact selection order and the Artifact bonus tiers. But if you take the way that point system works and take out the RNG, it's extremely abusable to *always* get the best tiered set even unintentionally when it comes to 4 players. Meaning that even casually players will be seeing the same sets, and you'd need guides just for basic variation in rewards, which is REALLY really bad (in my view and maybe to the dev's too, but maybe not you). And it's at this point you'd have to make a decision: do you want to make the system to encourage min-maxing (more control in drops, less natural variance) or casual play* (more natural variance, less control in drops)? So if you kept the systems in place, but took out the RNG? You'll end up with multiplayer frequently getting the same sets every time, which may be a bad thing. If you kept the systems mostly in place, but changed around the sets/points values + taking out RNG? Might work out, but it'd be a lot more work and would probably require a lot more testing to make sure the average values correlate to the right user-experience. If you just changed around all the systems to something different? Sure maybe you could do something else that worked, but at that point you'd be arguing with higher up directors/producers so good luck with that. It's a system that's supposed to promote normal play seeing various rewards/artifacts while simultaneously encouraging better play. I think it does a pretty good job at those 2 things. It does become problematic when it comes to grinding for something specific, but to be frank that's not a huge issue to me as long as there's no need to specifically grind. So I don't agree that it's bad design; maybe a little faulty but not generally bad. *this base assumption is that casual play = players who will just play the game w/o much care for grinding and only finish the story mode The White Dragon posted:i'm also being extra critical of it because i fuckin know i could make something just like it but with all the bad parts cut out This is a cute thought but, in reality, that's also basically every final fantasy game (every game is the worst in the franchise etc). Or even every game ever. You should always be critical of anything you play, and just because it has faults doesn't make it any less. It's what those faults are and how much they mean to you and your overall experience that matters. That's why I'm saying in FFCC's case I don't mind what's going on, because I'm okay with the base experience and not worrying about specific grinding.
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Dragonatrix posted:Treno gets the worst fate of all. A Tetra Master tournament. Not a fate I would wish on my worst enemies
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Remember Tetra Triad? I don't. -Hironobu Sakaguchi
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I always loved (read: hate) that 8 and 9 used plot points to close off half the game in the final disc because disc 4 contained too much CGI film to put the rest of the game in there.
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seiferguy posted:I always loved (read: hate) that 8 and 9 used plot points to close off half the game in the final disc because disc 4 contained too much CGI film to put the rest of the game in there. A lot of my time was wasted when those games released on bullshit "hacks" and "codes" that would allow you to enter towns and stuff on disc 4 in FF8. At least I learned better by FF9.
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Morby posted:A lot of my time was wasted when those games released on bullshit "hacks" and "codes" that would allow you to enter towns and stuff on disc 4 in FF8. At least I learned better by FF9. What the hell was the point of allowing you to go back, anyway? IIRC you had to run a convoluted path that involved finding a chocobo so you could cross shallow water just to regain access to places that had nothing new to offer. Also, speaking of apocalyptic storylines, it doesn't get much more apocalyptic than "the entirety of time and space is going to be smooshed into a place/time in which only one evil future/past/present? sorceress is physically able to exist."
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:What the hell was the point of allowing you to go back, anyway? IIRC you had to run a convoluted path that involved finding a chocobo so you could cross shallow water just to regain access to places that had nothing new to offer. The only areas in the game at disc 4 that were allowed were spots where GF fights (like Odin, Tonberry, Brothers, etc) were, so if you missed one there, you could go back and get them. Edit: there was also the card queen somewhere too, who had every rare card you missed too.
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Ventana posted:The point systems are there to promote the competitive/cooperative aspects of the game simultaneously you're right, i guess i never really thought about it from this perspective. i'm not exceedingly competitive but my friends would get really into who had first, who actually deserved it, etc. it's an aspect i don't give enough credit to, and one i'd do to consider how to adapt
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seiferguy posted:The only areas in the game at disc 4 that were allowed were spots where GF fights (like Odin, Tonberry, Brothers, etc) were, so if you missed one there, you could go back and get them. QoC uses her cards that you missed elsewhere. And every rule except Open. Left Girl of the Diamond Duo, meanwhile, on Ragnarok uses every rare card - including the QoC cards - and will reuse them when you lose/mod them. And her rules are adjustable because they're based on Trabia. She even uses them in a fixed order, so you'll know which one you're going to get in advance. She goes through the level 8 list in order, then the level 9 list and then the level 10 list.
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Norns posted:I'm wrapping up all the XV post-game content trying to decide what Final Fantasy to play next. Looks like X and X2 are on sale on PSN... Me too, except I chose the Zodiac Age part of the Final Fantasy board. As a lover of Tactics Advance and A2, the familiarity of the (beautifully reorchestrated) score is winning me over fast, as is the ability to x2/x4 any trudging around. Even so, XII just has so much to explore and I'm still in Rabanastre. PS - While you're exploring XV's post-game content, make sure you try out the Regalia Type F. 60 hours of rolling rubber makes each takeoff an absolute joy. Also, none of my Death Ring attempts worked on Adamantoise, but a Shiva summon appeared at the last second and took it out for me. That turtle must not like ice water!
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The first thing anyone playing FFXV now should do is changing their Regalia to the off-road type. It was a solid half of my enjoyment of the game and I'm v.glad I didn't play at release
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I'm listening to the FFXV soundtrack and now I heartily recommend you actually do not listen to the other games' soundtracks that you find throughout the game. I missed out on so many of these because I was listening to FF6 or 4 instead, this game's themes are great.
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I'd be listening to the ff9 soundtrack but I dunno where you buy it. Maybe ff14 but that might just not be in the game at all
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They're all in gas stations iirc. If you can't find them available, then probably that station hasn't opened up yet.
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Artelier posted:They're all in gas stations iirc. If you can't find them available, then probably that station hasn't opened up yet. on that note, make sure you check all the shops at each gas station and also the shop in the car itself, because that has the MP3 player and maybe one of the soundtracks as well
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ff4tay is trying my patience why even learn warp if you cant use it goddamn
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So I'm almost finished with Final Fantasy 7 and I love it. There are some seriously dated mechanics, but I never played many JRPGs when I was young (FF VIII being my only one when it came out) and now I regret that. Still, better late than never. I'm trying to decide which Final Fantasy to play next. My buddy lent me his copy of FFXV, however I am also eyeing the FFX, X-2 remaster on steam and, if I am lucky, FFVI if I can nab an SNES classic..
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So Dissidia got a release date, Sooner than I thought. 30 january 2018 https://twitter.com/FinalFantasy/status/898529924327366657
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Solaris 2.0 posted:So I'm almost finished with Final Fantasy 7 and I love it. There are some seriously dated mechanics, but I never played many JRPGs when I was young (FF VIII being my only one when it came out) and now I regret that. Still, better late than never. I'm trying to decide which Final Fantasy to play next. My buddy lent me his copy of FFXV, however I am also eyeing the FFX, X-2 remaster on steam and, if I am lucky, FFVI if I can nab an SNES classic.. While I liked FFXV, a person would have to be very crazy to say that it's better than FFX or FFVI, so it's up to you if you want to save the best for last. Don't forget about FFIV. It's great too.
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