Delusibeta posted:The Vega 56, assuming it does indeed retail for $400 for an extended period of time, looks like it might be a half decent 1070 competitor. The problem right now is that it's a paper launch, and I haven't even seen a listing for the thing here in the UK, never mind pricing. Vega 64, on the other hand, is totally DoA. I thought the Vega 56 was releasing on the 28th?
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That super low-volume 'special launch price' is some shady AMD crap, and they keep denying it too even after several retailers more or less openly spilled the beans.
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Aug 16, 2017 00:17
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NewEgg seemingly loaded up on, then sold out of another load of the air cooled black 64's from PowerCooler, in about the time it took me to click the Add To Cart button
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Aug 16, 2017 00:25
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AMD just released a driver specifically for crypto mining  
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Aug 16, 2017 00:25
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Source your quotes, my dude.
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Kazinsal posted:Source your quotes, my dude.  time better spent trying to buy oneEdit: well I guess those drivers are something  Really wish they had posted max power draw, too. New Zealand can eat me fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Aug 16, 2017 |
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Aug 16, 2017 00:31
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 Vega sure seems like a solid buy  Also gently caress UK GPU prices.
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Aug 16, 2017 00:35
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MrBadidea posted:Also gently caress UK GPU prices. CPU's too. When I bought my 6600K, some seller in Oz beat UK prices by around £30, including shipping, and they're another price rape capital of the world.
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If you believe random German site, the mining drivers give the Vega 64 about a 5.7% increase in mining performance, edging out the 1080ti. The dreadfully sad thing is that the Vega 56 sees an enormous At the very worst, you're probably looking at a product line that goes: RX 560 <-----[PRODUCT UNAVAILABLE - OUT OF STOCK]----------> Vega 64 Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Aug 16, 2017 |
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Aug 16, 2017 01:40
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Craptacular! posted:If you believe random German site, the mining drivers give the Vega 64 about a 5.7% increase in mining performance, edging out the 1080ti. The dreadfully sad thing is that the Vega 56 sees an enormous 24% improvement in mining, actually passing 64 without the mining driver and the 1080. So people who wanted $400ish "higher end but not quite flagship" cards are hosed with both fists. product line effectively ends at the 560 for 99% of consumers. The vega 64 is good enough at mining that there is no chance it will stay in stock
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Aug 16, 2017 01:52
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The next mining crash is going to be incredible
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3peat posted:Nvidia has a huge legion of fanbois who would only buy their cards even if they were twice as expensive, why would they cut prices I have bought only nvidia cards for the last 17 or so years. I will probably do so in the future. My main reason is the drivers. I cannot get better FreeBSD and Linux drivers from ATI/AMD at the moment. Yes, they have made some decent open-source drivers (linux only) recently, but also (recently) their cards have been complete and total poo poo. And as far as I know they don't have any FreeBSD drivers (and that is a show-stopper right there) yet. When they will get some decent cards on the market, paired with relatively decent (open source or not, i don't give a poo poo) drivers for Linux and FreeBSD I will buy an ATI/AMD video card. Until then and until Nvidia still keeps on making both high quality cards and drivers, AMD doesn't stand a chance. I want competition, I want for Nvidia to poo poo their pants whenever AMD releases a new card (being that card with only windows drivers, i dont care), but simply it hasn't been the case. Since ATI All-In-One wonder bullshit and Riva 128.
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Aug 16, 2017 03:24
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Rastor posted:The next mining crash is going to be incredible Very pumped to buy v56's for $180
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nerdrum posted:Very pumped to buy v56's for $180
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Aug 16, 2017 03:52
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So the leaked Vegas 60MH/s was conplete loving lies? Lol my undervolted 9ghz VRAM 1070 does 32MH/s in like what...90W?
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Palladium posted:So the leaked Vegas 60MH/s was conplete loving lies? Sounds like it, I'm really surprised that gently caress Gibbo at OCUK was wrong.
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Fauxtool posted:product line effectively ends at the 560 for 99% of consumers. The vega 64 is good enough at mining that there is no chance it will stay in stock There's also a chance that by putting miners at the front of the line for the Fine Wine, that miners will think Vega cards are an investment that will be paid off with further 5-15% improvements to mining via drivers.
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Is Vega actually Prescott, longer pipelines and latency hiding, except it can't clock :/
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Aug 16, 2017 05:16
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NCIX has a Vega promo where you get Wolfenstein 2 and Prey for free. But lmao at the prices.... http://www.ncix.com/subpromo/1970.htm $789 to $899 CAD
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Aug 16, 2017 05:21
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I've had strange crashes where my screen goes black but nothing else seems to crash. I am even able to remote into the desktop and see everything fine. I took everything apart and turns out my 1080ti has been running on one 8 pin for 2 weeks lol.
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1gnoirents posted:I've had strange crashes where my screen goes black but nothing else seems to crash. I am even able to remote into the desktop and see everything fine. I took everything apart and turns out my 1080ti has been running on one 8 pin for 2 weeks lol. Nice post/username combo. 
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FaustianQ posted:So apparently AMD hasn't enabled primitive shaders in the drivers, which is why Vega is behaving as it is w/r/t to being bottlenecked. Hence the very weird MSAA hit, the much reduced memory utilization, disastrously low texel rate, etc. Vega XT is not going to magically compete with a 1080ti, but I think were going to see another Hawaii to Grenada performance improvement because it seriously looks like drivers are not fully utilizing Vega. Doesn't excuse the ridiculous power draw and I don't think that'll ever get fixed without moving to a new process. Is this confirmed anywhere? All I've heard is that they haven't exposed the explicit functionality to developers, but the driver should be using the new pipeline anyways.
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1gnoirents posted:I've had strange crashes where my screen goes black but nothing else seems to crash. I am even able to remote into the desktop and see everything fine. I took everything apart and turns out my 1080ti has been running on one 8 pin for 2 weeks lol. another team green Nvidiot. If you had an AMD card you would know the importance of having enough power. I just upgraded to a 1200w PSU to power my new Vega cards. Im a little worried that my outlets cant handle it so im getting some new lines run. I hope they are good enough for Navi too Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Aug 16, 2017 |
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Fauxtool posted:another team green Nvidiot. If you had an AMD card you would know the importance of having enough power. I just upgraded to a 1200w PSU to power my new Vega cards. Im a little worried that my outlets cant handle it so im getting some new lines run. I hope they are good enough for Navi too If only Toshiba had seen the future market: https://www.treehugger.com/renewable-energy/portable-backyard-nuclear-reactors-ready-to-be-installed-by-2013.html "6/13 is the number that sits above my desk. We ship in June of 2013, our first customer install. We will make that date." They didn't make that date.
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Volguus posted:I want competition, I want for Nvidia to poo poo their pants whenever AMD releases a new card (being that card with only windows drivers, i dont care), but simply it hasn't been the case. Since ATI All-In-One wonder bullshit and Riva 128. Nvidia has made plenty of mistakes over the years for ATI/AMD to capitalize. If you think they have been comfortably ahead going back to the Riva line, I guess you were asleep for the GeForce FX fiasco. The reaction of buyers going from the Ti4x00 line to the FX series was so whiplash, it was like the graphics card version of Sammy Hagar joining Van Halen. "You sold out to Xbox and went SOFT, maaaaan!" Hell, a 7950 from 2012 is relatively comparable to a 1050ti today, with the major difference being the industry adopted standard of 4GB of RAM over 3GB. 7970 at the end of it's sales period, priced to move, was probably a really good performance-to-dollar for some people. I have a friend who bought one in 2013 and is startled he has to go all the way to 6GB 1060 to find a meaningful upgrade. People who know hardware better than I can explain why, but it seems like it's been 2015-onward that they've just been throwing more and more power at an inferior bundle of components. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Aug 16, 2017 |
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Haha, holy poo poo people were accusing Steve of both being biased for AMD and biased for nVidia over his Vega 56 results: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEfRi5pBQr4 It's been exciting following these AMD developments this year, but gently caress is it exhausting trying to keep up with all of the bullshit. It's been an interesting experience trying to apply critical thinking to this mess, but I think I'm done. The only thing I can take away from this is I'm pretty sure that both Steves are trustworthy, and Adored is at least interesting.
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Want to watch a guy test the liquid-cooled Vega? Well here you go then. Edit; Well, actually you won't see anything, you'll just see a bunch of benchmark tables. But hey, that temperature is almost 1070 air low. I still thought it was worth sharing because I have seen very few liquid cooled cards. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Aug 16, 2017 |
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Arzachel posted:Is this confirmed anywhere? All I've heard is that they haven't exposed the explicit functionality to developers, but the driver should be using the new pipeline anyways. Found it, the source is ComputerBase. The phrasing is a bit ambiguous though. Craptacular! posted:Nvidia has made plenty of mistakes over the years for ATI/AMD to capitalize. If you think they have been comfortably ahead going back to the Riva line, I guess you were asleep for the GeForce FX fiasco. The reaction of buyers going from the Ti4x00 line to the FX series was so whiplash, it was like the graphics card version of Sammy Hagar joining Van Halen. "You sold out to Xbox and went SOFT, maaaaan!" AMD has had half Nvidia's R&D budget split between GPUs and CPUs for the last couple years and Zen makes it pretty obvious where the money went.
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Delusibeta posted:The Vega 56, assuming it does indeed retail for $400 for an extended period of time, looks like it might be a half decent 1070 competitor. The problem right now is that it's a paper launch, and I haven't even seen a listing for the thing here in the UK, never mind pricing. Vega 64, on the other hand, is totally DoA. I had a price alert from pcpartpicker which led to this https://www.cclonline.com/product/238813/GV-RXVEGA56-8GD-B/Graphics-Cards/Gigabyte-Radeon-RX-Vega-56-8GB-Graphics-Card/VGA3950/ I'm still gonna wait out for AIBs but if they can stay around that price..... I know but let me hope a little ok??
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Fauxtool posted:I just upgraded to a 1200w PSU to power my new Vega cards. Im a little worried that my outlets cant handle it so im getting some new lines run. Vega dot txt. The sooner Raven Ridge happens, the better. AMD desperately needs a graphics solution of some sort that isn't totally useless. Also, tired of "Intel Atom x8350" and integrated graphics in every bloody low end laptop offering.
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Arzachel posted:AMD has had half Nvidia's R&D budget split between GPUs and CPUs for the last couple years and Zen makes it pretty obvious where the money went. Jim Keller's salary.
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Craptacular! posted:Nvidia has made plenty of mistakes over the years for ATI/AMD to capitalize. If you think they have been comfortably ahead going back to the Riva line, I guess you were asleep for the GeForce FX fiasco. The reaction of buyers going from the Ti4x00 line to the FX series was so whiplash, it was like the graphics card version of Sammy Hagar joining Van Halen. "You sold out to Xbox and went SOFT, maaaaan!" Even the R9 290 was a great value card that was only hampered by a lovely cooler and a crypto boom.
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Subjunctive posted:Jim Keller's salary. But worth every penny though
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How much your TCO changes, Vega 56 vs. GTX 1070, turning Watts into something more understandable, like $. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X5aIyBa0gs Other graphs:  
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnUW9-aYtx4 So long story short OC3D spun some bullshit, which got picked up by wccftech, and somehow this bastion of credibility was able to convince everyone that AMD was raising the MSRP of Vega.
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speaking of raising prices... Samsung & SK Hynix Graphics Memory Prices Increase Over 30% In August
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Measly Twerp posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnUW9-aYtx4 Hmmm, I wonder if it would help a little if AMD said something to this effect through official channels, but nahhhh, surely their silence on this did not allow this whole thing to grow out of control, that would be silly.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Hmmm, I wonder if it would help a little if AMD said something to this effect through official channels, but nahhhh, surely their silence on this did not allow this whole thing to grow out of control, that would be silly. Or, you know, the journalist could ask AMD before publishing, and get an answer, and have integrity. But that wouldn't drive clicks! Or do you really expect AMD to comment of every dumb thing that someone says about them on the internet?
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