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Casimir Radon posted:*Evangelicals are shown a tape where Donnie rapes, pees, and poops on an 8 year old white girl. Marty is every defeated GOP candidate from the primaries and Rust is the deep state in this scenario. I guess don't watch this if you don't want True Detective partially spoiled. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X929OTinXos&t=123s
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http://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/08/17/fitzgerald-co-other-sailors-to-be-disciplined-in-connection-to-fatal-collision/ NJP coming down on the command triad who've all been relieved and admiral's mast still to come for more. They said more charges may come down the road and we'd know more in a few more weeks.
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So apparently Spainish police just stopped a second attack according to the BBC.
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Casimir Radon posted:*Evangelicals are shown a tape where Donnie rapes, pees, and poops on an 8 year old white girl. More than likely, conservatives will develop a convenient amnesia, much like how no one remembers anything between 9/11 and the election of the communist, socialist, Kenyan Muslim who tried to take our guns and institute death panels.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Though to be clear, 75% is still pretty piss poor for a party poll. Which is why its the threshold for getting rid of him. He could be at 20% in an over all poll, it won't matter if he is still above 80 in the party. MazelTovCocktail posted:So apparently Spainish police just stopped a second attack according to the BBC. MSNBC had a break-in at the end of Hardball/start of All In talking about it. Police are saying they killed both suspects.
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Hey EBB, some people are coming to crissy field in SF. Wanna make our forbearers proud? Also someone made this video for the alt-right protesters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8BCh_Ms71o
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Casimir Radon posted:They should have disowned him a year ago at the latest. A year ago Donnie had just disparaged a gold star family. In fairness, nobody gives a gently caress about gold star families.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:So apparently Spainish police just stopped a second attack according to the BBC. Nice!
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orange juche posted:Yes. When a ship is hazarded, the CO is the first to go, no matter what, because when he assumes command of the ship, he is ultimately responsible for the lives of all the Sailors on board, as well as the ship itself. If a grounding or collision or avoidable incident happens, it's always assumed to be a training deficiency, which could have been prevented had the CO ensured that the people in charge of training the crew were doing their jobs, or at least that's Big Navy's view on it. There is always plenty of blame to go around. We had an aircraft, while being marshaled by ground crew with wands, strike a light pole with their wing tip. The pilot and co-pilot were (temporarily) relieved of flying duties for deficient airmanship by a GO, despite the fact that they were following the direction of ground crew. Makes sense, because they were ultimately responsible for controlling the plane. He relieved the navigator too, despite the fact that the nav cannot see either wingtip from his seat. Reason? The nav should have been aware of visual references and maintained enough situational awareness to call out obstacles during taxi. I thought it was a stretch, personally, but no one was going to escape the hammer.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:So apparently Spainish police just stopped a second attack according to the BBC. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40971004 Looks like they were trying to coordinate several attacks and only managed to pull off one. Details are still forthcoming.
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Dead Reckoning posted:There is always plenty of blame to go around. We had an aircraft, while being marshaled by ground crew with wands, strike a light pole with their wing tip. The pilot and co-pilot were (temporarily) relieved of flying duties for deficient airmanship by a GO, despite the fact that they were following the direction of ground crew. Makes sense, because they were ultimately responsible for controlling the plane. He relieved the navigator too, despite the fact that the nav cannot see either wingtip from his seat. Reason? The nav should have been aware of visual references and maintained enough situational awareness to call out obstacles during taxi. I thought it was a stretch, personally, but no one was going to escape the hammer. From memory with shipping everyone involved in a collision event is automatically deemed to carry a portion of fault. Even if your main engine is in pieces and you're clearly not under command. The logic being collisions are bad, loving avoid them at all costs
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I asked it before, but don't ships have "HEY FUCKFACE YOU'RE ABOUT TO CRASH IN 15 MINUTES" warning lights that go off all over the place? Does the Navy not allow whoever is standing watch to take action to avoid a collision in this case?
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I mean I just watched a video on YouTube where an aircraft carrier was pulling sick turns at like 60 knots so how the gently caress is collisions real sailor just turn away from the other ship like sailor move the wheel.
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They have them, but the alarms can apparently be turned off.
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Blind Rasputin posted:I mean I just watched a video on YouTube where an aircraft carrier was pulling sick turns at like 60 knots so how the gently caress is collisions real sailor just turn away from the other ship like sailor move the wheel. This is triggering me so loving hard
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psydude posted:I asked it before, but don't ships have "HEY FUCKFACE YOU'RE ABOUT TO CRASH IN 15 MINUTES" warning lights that go off all over the place? Does the Navy not allow whoever is standing watch to take action to avoid a collision in this case? Yes there are multiple things that should have had alarms going off that were probably muted or ignored by multiple people.
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ElMaligno posted:gently caress  Lol, this is why I didn't join the navy. At least in the USAF the only time I might get killed on duty is if one of the Thunderbirds fucks up and lawn darts into a crowd at an airshow.
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Blind Rasputin posted:I mean I just watched a video on YouTube where an aircraft carrier was pulling sick turns at like 60 knots so how the gently caress is collisions real sailor just turn away from the other ship like sailor move the wheel. This but unironically. poo poo happens in some situations that you can't avoid. That poo poo rarely happens with calm seas on a clear night in open ocean. That's the part that drives me crazy. They had to have been loving off for a while to not catch this.
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psydude posted:I asked it before, but don't ships have "HEY FUCKFACE YOU'RE ABOUT TO CRASH IN 15 MINUTES" warning lights that go off all over the place? Does the Navy not allow whoever is standing watch to take action to avoid a collision in this case? Yes. There is also an item called a Bridge Navigational Watch Alarm System which must be acknowledged every so often to ensure watchstanders are awake, otherwise it sounds an alarm in the captains cabin. It is illegal to turn it off, so naturally that never ever happens. The biggest reason for collisions is people get complacent and have that whole "the ocean is massive, we can't hit anything, so I'll turn all the alarms off and gently caress around on my phone." attitude. And the thing is, ships move fast and turn slowly. And even with nav lights, seeing a ship at night is not the easiest thing on the world. And if you're young and inexperienced and perhaps have a grumpy oval office as master, you might well hesitate to call for the old man, or do anything but what you were told to do. It does happen. Training standards are generally good enough that it is rare enough to be big news when it does happen, but human error does happen, and it is more often than not due to complacency. I won't name the company or ship, but a major cruise line had a potentially very nasty miss a few years back where an officer set the autopilot to follow a channel, then wandered off to do whatever. Luckily the depth alarm sounded and he corrected before the ship got into serious danger, but it cost him his job (and maybe his ticket, unsure on that.)
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Yeah, I hope that everyone involved in that, including junior enlisted, NCOs, and junior officers, all go down.
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The other thing I didn't mention, is that standing watch is loving boring. Hell I've had times when I've been reading a book on watch. It's not good practice in the least, but people are loving fallible. It's really, really easy to not stay alert.
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LITERALLY SHAKING posted:They have them, but the alarms can apparently be turned off. I don't know why but this is hilariously stupid to me Two Finger posted:The other thing I didn't mention, is that standing watch is loving boring. Hell I've had times when I've been reading a book on watch. It's not good practice in the least, but people are loving fallible. When doing guard shifts in Afghanistan I would beat off like three or four times and smoke a pack of cigarettes in six hours. Still wasn't enough at times.
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Do ships have autopilot? It's just dumb to me that in TYOOL 2017, with self driving cars and poo poo, that we can't have a ship be like "Oh snap, better speed up a bit to avoid getting run in to."
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psydude posted:Yeah, I hope that everyone involved in that, including junior enlisted, NCOs, and junior officers, all go down. NJP the navy and give all its assets and money to the cg imo
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Oh look, the CPA alarm is going off again, for the 82nd time this watch. I'll just acknowledge it and finish eating my noodles. FV spent years standing bridge watches, I'd like him to weigh in.
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psydude posted:Do ships have autopilot? It's just dumb to me that in TYOOL 2017, with self driving cars and poo poo, that we can't have a ship be like "Oh snap, better speed up a bit to avoid getting run in to." Autopilot controls course only. Autonomous ships don't exist.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Though to be clear, 75% is still pretty piss poor for a party poll. One of the deceptive things about the party support percentage is that it's support percent of people who identify as part of that party in a poll. If you support Donnie you're much more likely to still be saying, "gently caress yeah I'm a Republican Nazis are cool! #MAGA" If you're not exactly cool with Nazis you're suddenly going to be developing a much more nuanced position in your support for the Republican party and maybe not being quite so loud and proud about who you may or may not have voted for seven (Jesus gently caress is it really only seven?) months ago. Assuming things happen in a straightforward, legitimate fashion in the next few elections Republicans are looking to get turbo hosed by lower turnout of the people who have those nuanced positions and a wave of people royally and righteously pissed off by what is happening.
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LITERALLY SHAKING posted:They have them, but the alarms can apparently be turned off. Forgive me for not understanding Naval protocol, but why are you even allowed to turn these alarms off?
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remember when 2008 swept in a permanent democratic majority because people were so upset with the republicans or remember when Trump's campaign crashed because he sexually assaulted women and mocked a gold star family there is always more, the electorate is always worse, the future is the democrats loving up forever
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If Donald Trump tried to kill himself would the secret service stop him cause its their duty? Can you imagine knowing your legacy is going to be that you're the most retarded president of all time by a factor of 10? I'd kill myself.
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Shaddak posted:Forgive me for not understanding Naval protocol, but why are you even allowed to turn these alarms off? Sounds like something that would be going off constantly in port? Then there's always malfunctions.
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Shaddak posted:Forgive me for not understanding Naval protocol, but why are you even allowed to turn these alarms off? You aren't. Just like you aren't allowed to jack off on guard duty. Or various other things you're not supposed to do. People do it anyway because they're dumb, and if the old man isn't on top of that poo poo, he's letting it happen and is still to blame.
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bird food bathtub posted:One of the deceptive things about the party support percentage is that it's support percent of people who identify as part of that party in a poll. If you support Donnie you're much more likely to still be saying, "gently caress yeah I'm a Republican Nazis are cool! #MAGA" This sounds like bullshit considering how trivial it is to see the number of respondents for each conducted poll. That would be such a brain dead oversight to make poll to poll.
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Also let's say you have a closest point of approach alarm set for 3 miles and things are a bit tight so you need to pass another ship at 1.5 miles. You need to be able to silence that poo poo. Constantly blaring alarms is a very quick way of desensitizing yourself to them.
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oh yeah it's absolutely complacency that led to this. I'm just curious exactly what manner of jackassery was going on. The fitz would have iron mike (autopilot) but like 2finger said, it only maintains course and is really more auto-rudder than auto-pilot. There are more advanced systems on some ships that can follow a charted plot, but even still someone is supposed to be in the pilothouse at all times. On navy ships there are a lot of people who should have noticed something was up. There's never just one person in the bridge. psydude posted:Yeah, I hope that everyone involved in that, including junior enlisted, NCOs, and junior officers, all go down. The navy times articles already talk about the command triad's admirals mast and the ongoing masts for remaining officers and enlisted. They said more charges may be coming. Depending on the exact amount of jackassery involved I wouldn't be surprised if someone saw court martial, but also it's just as likely that the admiral will just NJP everyone.
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From my perspective on blue water sailing, yes, watch is boring and it is also really hard to stay awake while doing watch on watch off in the dead of night. You stay awake scanning that horizon anyway because you want to stay not dead. My favorite kind of skipper usually woke up the instant the AIS proximity or collision course alarm went off, and he expected us to be able to immediately point at the other ship's running lights. Then he'd get on the radio to make sure the other ship's bridge knew that we were out there. If he didn't get an answer, he'd stay up there staring angrily at the screen until whoever it was fell off the edge of the map. Because who knows what other kinds of fuckups are going on over there.
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milk milk lemonade posted:If Donald Trump tried to kill himself would the secret service stop him cause its their duty? Can you imagine knowing your legacy is going to be that you're the most retarded president of all time by a factor of 10? I'd kill myself. That's not how absolute narcissism works.
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Ceiling fan posted:From my perspective on blue water sailing, yes, watch is boring and it is also really hard to stay awake while doing watch on watch off in the dead of night. You stay awake scanning that horizon anyway because you want to stay not dead. My favorite kind of skipper usually woke up the instant the AIS proximity or collision course alarm went off, and he expected us to be able to immediately point at the other ship's running lights. Then he'd get on the radio to make sure the other ship's bridge knew that we were out there. If he didn't get an answer, he'd stay up there staring angrily at the screen until whoever it was fell off the edge of the map. Because who knows what other kinds of fuckups are going on over there. Hey I'm the guy who used to drive the freighters your skipper was so worried about. We thought he was an absolute dolt. The VHF is not a collision avoidance tool. Don't loving talk to me unless you have good reason to.
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McNally posted:In fairness, nobody gives a gently caress about gold star families. Totally not empty quoting this
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