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A good question would be to ask the owners of that business if they would be happy that the government take over or regulate these services and potentially put them out of business.
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Aug 17, 2017 23:51
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I agree. company gets loads of cash and kudos, poor get a bit of food. Everybody wins.
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Aug 18, 2017 00:06
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Yeah if the company is getting loads of cash and kudos I think I see the problem.
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Aug 18, 2017 02:00
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Les Affaires posted:A good question would be to ask the owners of that business if they would be happy that the government take over or regulate these services and potentially put them out of business. I am not sure what you are trying to get at here. They would just transition to being a normal food service and if they want they can continue giving the same dollar value to charities unless they are getting outlawed too. klen dool posted:Eatmylunch lunches are real good though, and they feed a lot of kids. I am not 100% sure I see a problem - but why not be a charity? They need money to function and instead of chasing grants they go after customers one meal at a time. They are enacting a self imposed tax to fill a need the government should be handling but are failing to do so.
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Aug 18, 2017 02:11
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It's treating basic consumer choice as activism/a replacement for actual positive change
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Aug 18, 2017 02:19
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As others have said it would be better if there wasn't the need to have something like this in the first place. If it doesn't pass your purity test tough poo poo, that's on the government.
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Aug 18, 2017 02:27
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exmarx posted:It's treating basic consumer choice as activism/a replacement for actual positive change That's fatuous.
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Aug 18, 2017 03:15
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Les Affaires posted:A good question would be to ask the owners of that business if they would be happy that the government Probably.
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Aug 18, 2017 03:16
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oohhboy posted:They need money to function and instead of chasing grants they go after customers one meal at a time. They are enacting a self imposed tax to fill a need the government should be handling but are failing to do so. Yeah but a charity doesn't have to chase grants, they could do what they are doing right now. MedicAlert isn't a for profit business, and they don't run on grants. They run on large donations from private individuals, and membership fees, and purchases of bracelets.
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Aug 18, 2017 05:11
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:I mean, I'd rather capitalism be doing that thing than the thing where they just keep all the money and keep loving over the poor.
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Aug 18, 2017 05:37
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klen dool posted:Yeah but a charity doesn't have to chase grants, they could do what they are doing right now. MedicAlert isn't a for profit business, and they don't run on grants. They run on large donations from private individuals, and membership fees, and purchases of bracelets. Not saying there aren't other sources other than grants. I figured it was more expedient to not list them and use "Grants" as an umbrella term.
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Aug 18, 2017 05:47
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edit: nvm
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Aug 18, 2017 05:50
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Can you say this in English please. "I've seriously considered voting TOP".
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Aug 18, 2017 05:52
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Roy Morgan's latest poll just dropped -- Greens at 9%. RM tend to overshoot Green results, while CM tend to go well under. My current prediction of Actual Green Support -- 6.5-7%. https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/7309-roy-morgan-new-zealand-voting-intention-august-2017-201708181513 Even with confidence intervals, Labour/NZF/Green looking a lot more likely, especially with Winston pulling ahead of the Greens: I don't think he'd be happy about being #3 in that coalition. SurreptitiousMuffin fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Aug 18, 2017 |
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Aug 18, 2017 09:35
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Roy Morgan's latest poll just dropped -- Greens at 9%. Tbh, I think 8-9% is realistic, the Greens drama may have cost them a lot of potential new voters, but I doubt their core voter base is going desert the party.
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Aug 18, 2017 12:27
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https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95829627/life-after-colin-does-the-conservative-party-have-a-chance-in-2017 The Conservative party style exists. It is now lead by a builder from Rangiora who doesn't understand words.
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Aug 19, 2017 04:20
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Aug 19, 2017 06:59
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that article is pure goldquote:Baker is not a polished, media-trained communicator. He says "theological" when he means "theoretical". Asked if he would join a Labour-Green coalition, he says "that's too dependable". He says the campaign is "roots-based" when he means "grassroots".
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Aug 19, 2017 07:01
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So we meet again, Dr Malaprop.
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Aug 19, 2017 13:30
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Yes we meat again, but this time you are the stewed ent and I am the master.
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Aug 19, 2017 13:40
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Wafflecopper posted:He says the campaign is "roots-based" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots_(Sepultura_album) Would be an improvement on everything they have done so far.
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Aug 19, 2017 23:19
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Oh come on don't prosecute the guy for getting a few things wrong, give him the better fit of the doubt. He's just an honest, down on his earth bloke.
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Aug 19, 2017 23:27
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bike tory posted:Oh come on don't prosecute the guy for getting a few things wrong, give him the better fit of the doubt. He's just an honest, down on his earth bloke. For all intensive purposes, you can take it for granite that he's a good guy.
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Aug 19, 2017 23:36
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Vulpes posted:For all intensive purposes, you can take it for granite that he's a good guy. owns so brutal you'll need to call teh armed defenders squad
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sebmojo posted:owns so brutal you'll need to call teh armed defenders squad I think you'll find it's the arm defenders squad thank you very much get it right jeez you're supposed to be a mod
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Aug 20, 2017 01:16
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sebmojo posted:teh armed defenders squad The who? Somfin posted:it's the arm defenders squad The what?
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Aug 20, 2017 03:28
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The new UMR poll is looking better for the Greens, they're holding steady on 8%, Labour's up to 37% and National is down to 40%. NZF 9%. Polling period was 11th-16th of August, Metiria resigned on the 13th so it's likely to be fairly accurate to the latest state of public opinion.
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Aug 20, 2017 04:09
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Ardern's favourability is at 70% in that same poll, as opposed to 57% for Bill English.
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Aug 20, 2017 04:25
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Will be interesting to see how she handles the PM role. Talk about chucked in the deep end.
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Aug 20, 2017 05:57
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labour's doing pretty good eh
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Aug 20, 2017 06:18
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I have to give Andrew Little kudos for selflessly stepping down for Ardern. Most would have held on to the bitter end for that shot at power and the history book but he did the right thing. Just to show he is a good guy and leader, just one that couldn't win the election. I hope he continues to do good work in the background.
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Aug 20, 2017 06:42
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bike tory posted:The new UMR poll is looking better for the Greens, they're holding steady on 8%, Labour's up to 37% and National is down to 40%. NZF 9%. They would have been doing better if they had stuck to the environment rather than take the social policy gamble 6 weeks out from a general election of this neo-lib as gently caress country of ours.
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Aug 20, 2017 07:00
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Nah it worked initially, they went up to 15% right after she admitted to the benefit fraud. It was the media beatup, scrutiny and accusations/assumptions that she "didn't really need it" that caused the worm to turn. Giovanni Tiso wrote a really good thing about it: http://pantograph-punch.com/post/assassination-of-metiria-turei
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Aug 20, 2017 07:27
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Spiteski posted:The who? It's a joke, intentionally mispronouncing armed offenders squad.
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klen dool posted:It's a joke, intentionally mispronouncing armed offenders squad. never change, nzd&d thread
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Aug 20, 2017 08:32
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klen dool posted:It's a joke, intentionally mispronouncing armed offenders squad. What's that then?
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Aug 20, 2017 08:36
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Spiteski posted:What's that then? Take potshots at politicians and embark on a world of discovery.
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Aug 20, 2017 08:58
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Or just be Maori and runn a pseudo military boot camp.
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bike tory posted:Nah it worked initially, they went up to 15% right after she admitted to the benefit fraud. It was the media beatup, scrutiny and accusations/assumptions that she "didn't really need it" that caused the worm to turn. Yeah I read that but doesn't really say why they decided to take that gamble at all. Yeah they bumped up to 15% but of course when you say you're a "benefit cheat" that is going to give loads of keyboard warriors, news hungry editors and other assorted dorks free reign to dive into that persons past. They would have probably got away with it if it was just the benefit thing because in all honesty who hasn't done that. I would say our deputy pm is guilty of that very same thing. But when you have all that other nonsense from when you were a member of a joke party floating around, you still want to roll the dice on it? Yeah it sucks that the media dug in deep on this Yeah it sucks that nz has lost a really good leader because of this It really REALLY sucks that we as a country can't have a mature conversation about social welfare in general But the greens know this! They know their base support is about 8%. Pushing that envelope so close to the line, when they were cruising at 10-12% and likely to be a nice government support party just doing what they did, just didn't make sense to me. She could have done so much good in the ministry of social development. She couldn't just stay quiet until she got that job to start this conversation. Now she is on the outskirts of the party she once lead rather admirably. I'm not full out green like some of you guys here, but I do see the value of having the greens in parliament, so yeah it sucks that this happened. But they caused this. It is a self inflicted wound. I hope they get back to their standard 10-12%. Maybe more?
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Their goal was to motivate people who normally don't vote. It was noble as gently caress, they were trying to create new voters rather than taking them from Labour who were in the doldrums at the time. Unrelated, TVNZ has their Vote Compass up again: https://votecompass.tvnz.co.nz  Seems about right. I don't agree with where they've placed TOP but w/e no one cares about them.
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