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Sir Tonk posted:im the zero retweets im the alliterative c name
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"53-year old Indian American, who claims to have invented email when he was 14 and later was briefly married to fran drescher, is kicking off his senate campaign (funded by the $750,000 settlement he was awarded in the hulk hogan vs gawker civil suit) by speaking at a neo-nazi rally in boston" is the sort of thing that confirms my belief that we're living in a simulation which is rapidly breaking down
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awyeahz posted:https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/08/19/live-updates-free-speech-rally-counter-protests-boston-common that goddamn guy. 
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Triangle Shirt Factotum posted:Any bits I could read about this? Sure. Here is a Gawker article about it. Gawker posted:
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Aug 19, 2017 14:50
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Prester Jane posted:Edit: Beaten. pssht. multiple sources are always good for at least making an attempt at avoiding bias so its appreciated. not that those two are super dissimilar but 
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rudatron posted:Nazis are not revolutionaries. i'd argue the nazis are totally revolutionariess but that's because i've mostly been arguing with 'what's so bad about fascism anyway' conservatives
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StashAugustine posted:i'd argue the nazis are totally revolutionariess but that's because i've mostly been arguing with 'what's so bad about fascism anyway' conservatives Is it much of an argument when you can just point to all the death?
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Aug 19, 2017 15:07
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you could make an argument nazis are revolutionary in that they want to change society from being based on the profit motive to being based on war loot and slavery. doesn't mean it's a good revolution. it's a reactionary revolution. that's bad.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Is it much of an argument when you can just point to all the death? but her gulags
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Ague Proof posted:im the alliterative c name nice
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StashAugustine posted:i'd argue the nazis are totally revolutionariess but that's because i've mostly been arguing with 'what's so bad about fascism anyway' conservatives Historically though they've occasionally called themselves revolutionaries (and even then only very infrequently after 1933), the Nazis are more accurately viewed as counter-revolutionaries, reacting against what they see as the diseased legacies of the 1918 armitice, German Revolution, and Weimar state that emerged from it. Similarly, their modern day descendants are virtually always reacting against some perceived revolutionary change, which they want to roll back, or from which they want to reclaim their "lost" country.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Historically though they've occasionally called themselves revolutionaries (and even then only very infrequently after 1933), the Nazis are more accurately viewed as counter-revolutionaries, reacting against what they see as the diseased legacies of the 1918 armitice, German Revolution, and Weimar state that emerged from it. Similarly, their modern day descendants are virtually always reacting against some perceived revolutionary change, which they want to roll back, or from which they want to reclaim their "lost" country. or in layman's terms, when white people feel their grip on power is threatened, and they feel threatened a lot
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Oh, and also it gets harder to call them genuine revolutionaries when they always purge the revolutionary wing of their organization either before coming to power or just afterward.
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https://twitter.com/RIPMarkusJ/status/898806084013498369
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:fake news did the watermark tip you off
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It doesn't really matter what they call themselves, or how they see themselves as acting. The basis of revolution is a 'bottom up' overthrowing of a corrupt political system, or a political system infiltrated by a corrupt tendency, that no longer serves the interest of the people, nor is able to intimidate them any longer. Reaction is the reassertion of that exact corrupt tendency, by the people who benefit the most from it, and who take and maintain power through pure intimidation. In the case of the Nazis, in was the imposition of extreme anti-semitism on a weakened liberal democracy. But they didn't come from nowhere, and they certainly didn't come from 'the bottom'. Their take over is better viewed as something like a coup d'etat. They're not 'defensive', and they're not 'revolutionaries'.
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idk i'm quite sympathetic to don hammerquist and jai sakai's interpreation of nazis and fascists being prepared to institute a different sort of economic system compared to capitalism, where the abstraction of violence behind the law is replaced by... pure violence
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Boston stream of the anti racist rally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c?RebelutionaryZ?live
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Qu Appelle posted:Boston stream of the anti racist rally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c?RebelutionaryZ?live video not working that witless x guy is streaming again. id reccommend muting the commentary tho lol https://twitter.com/witlessX/status/898885716779728896
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He must have turned off linking. Youtube link: https : //www.youtube.com/c/RebelutionaryZ/live FB link: https : //www.facebook.com/pg/RebZtv/videos
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ok i think we can wrap this one up lol https://twitter.com/universalhub/status/898930624404303877/photo/1 as long as the police dont start poo poo
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Aug 19, 2017 16:35
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awyeahz posted:https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/08/19/live-updates-free-speech-rally-counter-protests-boston-common Is that married to Fran Drescher thing fake because I always thought she had really good politics.
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Al! posted:ok i think we can wrap this one up lol  guess we're not getting viral videos of fash teary eyed panic attacks and tearing off their 'uniform' at the first sign of conflict
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Aug 19, 2017 16:58
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Normies cheering for antifa while a bunch of Pepe alt lite chuds cower behind police. Cville was such a massive disaster for the right wing. the smart ones know this so they won't show their faces for the rest of the summer.
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Buzzfeed has a stream, but signal is bad everywhere in Boston at the march/protests. https://www.facebook.com/pg/BuzzFeedNews/videos/?ref=page_internal
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And Univision, a Spanish-language network, has an aerial view of the anti-racist march. https://twitter.com/reynaviajero31/status/898947182568423425
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He is about to go to prison for a few years (facing multiple felonies related to protesting and he already has already served three prison sentences) and in prison he will be a huge loving target with no friends. (Also automatically ineligible for parole.) But hey he got to bask in the adulation of a bunch of virgin basement dwellers for a few months, so I'm sure it was all worthwhile.
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im a rebelutionary
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Montasque posted:Normies cheering for antifa while a bunch of Pepe alt lite chuds cower behind police. lol you said normies
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i feel like 'charlottesville' is basically entering ~the discourse~ the way 9/11 means what it means
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Thatim posted:lol you said normies the dorks are coming from inside the forums. *turns on monitor*
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freckle posted:the dorks are coming from inside the forums. *turns off monitor* nice
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lol the nazi's hosed off and left the boston commons https://twitter.com/Nikfraz14/status/898950497582710784 how much do you bet they'll say they've been oppressed into silence by the REAL fascists?!
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Historically though they've occasionally called themselves revolutionaries (and even then only very infrequently after 1933), the Nazis are more accurately viewed as counter-revolutionaries, reacting against what they see as the diseased legacies of the 1918 armitice, German Revolution, and Weimar state that emerged from it. Similarly, their modern day descendants are virtually always reacting against some perceived revolutionary change, which they want to roll back, or from which they want to reclaim their "lost" country. Well like I said I'm mostly talking in the context of talking to Catholics somewhere on the trad spectrum. What I mean is that fascists are quite eager to destroy any elements of 'conservative' society that inhibit their rise. The Nazis talked up Christianity (at least enough of them to get people to buy it) but they were quite happy to murder priests if they made fusses about "maybe don't kill Jews?"
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nazis will co-opt institutions that enable their ability to commit violence, and destroy those which do not. you cant call nazis revolutionary anymore than you could a rabid dog hth
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More likely I'm just using the word wrong
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StashAugustine posted:Well like I said I'm mostly talking in the context of talking to Catholics somewhere on the trad spectrum. What I mean is that fascists are quite eager to destroy any elements of 'conservative' society that inhibit their rise. The Nazis talked up Christianity (at least enough of them to get people to buy it) but they were quite happy to murder priests if they made fusses about "maybe don't kill Jews?" Very few priests made enough of a fuss in that direction to even get tossed in KZ let alone executed, and those that made a fuss about other things like Aktion-T4 were accommodated and appeased rather than murdered. And that's even before we get into the brownshirted ones who enthusiastically embraced the movement.
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