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Shanghaied
Oct 12, 2004

BIG PAD

Lol, speaking like a poor who had never been to Spain. It's not Siberia, but even the southern tip of Spain gets pretty close to zero celsius in the winter. It's not easy living on the streets for anyone, anywhere, but it's especially funny seeing a bunch of shut-ins living with their parents fantasising about sleeping rough.

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Sanguinary Novel
Jan 27, 2009

Shanghaied posted:

Lol, speaking like a poor who had never been to Spain. It's not Siberia, but even the southern tip of Spain gets pretty close to zero celsius in the winter. It's not easy living on the streets for anyone, anywhere, but it's especially funny seeing a bunch of shut-ins living with their parents fantasising about sleeping rough.

No it's great - every day it's 75 degrees, the church gives out all of the chicken tendies you can eat, no public indecency laws, use your free phone and internet to tell reddit about the incel promise land while you just sleep in the warm beach, nestled in virgin boobs.

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Smugworth Wuz Here

Sanguinary Novel posted:

No it's great - every day it's 75 degrees, the church gives out all of the chicken tendies you can eat, no public indecency laws, use your free phone and internet to tell reddit about the incel promise land while you just sleep in the warm beach, nestled in virgin boobs.

:allears:

Really though who the gently caress thinks european homelessness in a country that just a few years ago was having protests in the streets is somehow better than not having sex. I mean, the wine is better but still!

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

green chicken feet posted:

I think it's because they are misogynists above all else. They want to be Chad or be in bed with him, depending on the individual. They resent him and envy him, but it's not the same as hate. It's the way a lot of women probably feel about supermodels.

Normies they dislike in more of an I-pity-your-unenlightened-state manner. The truly deep hate is reserved for women.

I don't recall seeing any fantasies about enslaving/torturing normies or Chad. Have you? The punishments are reserved for women. They want to limit Chad's influence, but it's a redistribution of sexual wealth scheme. They don't want to destroy him. There's no locking Chad up in a dungeon.

Women are the subhuman "other" to them. They want to destroy women, to make them miserable, to break their spirits and turn them into meek housepets. I think they hate women not just because incels are entitled pricks but because they're literally afraid of women and they convert that fear into hate.

They want to remove women's perceived power in society, which is hilarious because there are few societies where things are close to equal. Incels still think women have too much power, because they're afraid of women. Women having any ability to make choices and not choose them is too much for them.

They fear women because women have power over them, and deep down they know that in the eyes of any normal woman their attitudes and actions will be weighed and found wanting.

Conch Shell Corp
Feb 24, 2009

I feel sad for these people that they will never get to experience the greatest part of life, which is love. Its a vicious negative feedback cycle where being bitter makes them even more unattractive which makes them even angrier. Everyone deserves to be loved, I hope that these people get the help they need.

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


quote:

Rare photo of the last standing incel fighting back the normies invasion during the Post Atomic Black Pill Era. 2017


Yep, incels are actually the last manly men on the planet.

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Smugworth Wuz Here

Palpek posted:

Yep, incels are actually the last manly men on the planet.

That dude is way to Chadly to be incel.

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


Wrists are far too thick, that man swims in pussy

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Smugworth Wuz Here
I'm kind of curious, what is the actual context of this picture?

A Fancy Hat
Nov 18, 2016

Always remember that the former President was dumber than the dumbest person you've ever met by a wide margin

Benny Harvey posted:

What's his weight/smell?

Probably about 120 lbs and smells okay.

He asked me to go to lunch today. I said okay and asked where. He wanted to go to the grocery store, buy deli meat, then cook a sandwich in the toaster oven at work. Which is fine, but why the gently caress would you invite me to come with you for that?

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

A Fancy Hat posted:

Probably about 120 lbs and smells okay.

He asked me to go to lunch today. I said okay and asked where. He wanted to go to the grocery store, buy deli meat, then cook a sandwich in the toaster oven at work. Which is fine, but why the gently caress would you invite me to come with you for that?

He's trying to impress you with his superior cooking skills.

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


quote:

Girls as young as 16 and 17 are going trough 20+ guys now all before getting into their senior year of highschool. If you aren't a Chad or at least a Brad it's loving hopeless
Uhhh Brad? There's a Brad? The plot thickens...

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben

Palpek posted:

Uhhh Brad? There's a Brad? The plot thickens...

Brad Pitt. The poster boy for the attractive "caring" male instead of the "tough" male.

And the whole "everyone deserves love" thing is really a root of the problem. Especially being bullied at school tends to give the lasting perception that one will automatically be at the bottom of any social pecking order, which means advice is damned either way. If there's no competition, gimme my prize. If there's a competition, of course I will lose, that was fully predictable so drat you for making there be a competition.

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




BrigadierSensible posted:

Something else I've noticed about incels.

Even though they paint Chad as a stereotypical jock from an 80s sex comedy, he is seldom mean to them. They go on and on about Stacy and Roasty mocking and laughing at and belittling the incels, but Chad is always friendly, polite and sociable. At worst he is a clueless overly friendly dumbarse, (who just happens to get mad pussy) This also works with Normies, incels pity these poor people with girlfriends and wives, reserving their hatred and dehumanizing rage for Femoids.


it's because their egos do not allow either

a) to admit they're worthy of, or receiving derision (they are)
b) 'Chads' are probably normal people who date a bit.

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

well why not posted:

b) 'Chads' are probably normal people who date a bit.

Yes, yes. A hundred times yes. The self-loathing incel, however, sees him as a superhuman, able to bend people's minds to his own.

green chicken feet
Nov 5, 2015

spray-paint the vegetables
dog food stalls
with the beefcake pantyhose
Grimey Drawer

A Fancy Hat posted:

Probably about 120 lbs and smells okay.

He asked me to go to lunch today. I said okay and asked where. He wanted to go to the grocery store, buy deli meat, then cook a sandwich in the toaster oven at work. Which is fine, but why the gently caress would you invite me to come with you for that?

Based on this and his reaction to the news about your upcoming wedding, he probably has no idea what normal human interaction is like and is just winging it.

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

Palpek posted:

Uhhh Brad? There's a Brad? The plot thickens...

it's incredible how much internet porn has hosed up how these guys think the world works

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Brother Entropy posted:

it's incredible how much internet porn has hosed up how these guys think the world works

They're just the most extreme case, but porn is definitely affecting everyone. Not even just porn but increasingly normal television as well. There's nothing wrong with showing healthy sex lives, but for an increasingly isolated population, seeing the TV people getting laid constantly can lead to them feeling like there's something wrong with them (not referring to incels here.)

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

(▰˘v˘▰)
Real life is exactly like porn

*fucks my wife with 4 other dudes*

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦

hyphz posted:

Brad Pitt. The poster boy for the attractive "caring" male instead of the "tough" male.

And the whole "everyone deserves love" thing is really a root of the problem. Especially being bullied at school tends to give the lasting perception that one will automatically be at the bottom of any social pecking order, which means advice is damned either way. If there's no competition, gimme my prize. If there's a competition, of course I will lose, that was fully predictable so drat you for making there be a competition.

Everyone in the incel cult is hosed up someway, and having been bullied or otherwise abused must be very common. They believe themselves to be worthless and act accordingly. The posturing is a defense mechanism, and all the things they want but believe they can't have are made dirty with religious concepts like "Chad" and "Stacy".

Benny Harvey
Nov 24, 2012

green chicken feet posted:

Based on this and his reaction to the news about your upcoming wedding, he probably has no idea what normal human interaction is like and is just winging it.

Doesn't everyone wing it till they figure it out?

Zzulu posted:

Real life is exactly like porn

*fucks my wife with 4 other dudes*


Uh, you're supposed to be tied up while the other guys go to town. Way to break the rules of the genre.

green chicken feet
Nov 5, 2015

spray-paint the vegetables
dog food stalls
with the beefcake pantyhose
Grimey Drawer

Benny Harvey posted:

Doesn't everyone wing it till they figure it out?

Fair enough. Everyone wings it to one degree or another.

I think some people get more guidance from their family while growing up, and so they don't have to learn as much by trial-and-error. Some people also get the negative guidance of bad examples at home, which sets them back.

Mr. Unlucky
Nov 1, 2006

by R. Guyovich
everyone wants to pretend life isn't a competition and we're not stupid loving animals anymore

good joke

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Mr. Unlucky posted:

everyone wants to pretend life isn't a competition and we're not stupid loving animals anymore

good joke

I mean it isn't really, though we are all clearly still dumb apes.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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chumbler posted:

They're just the most extreme case, but porn is definitely affecting everyone. Not even just porn but increasingly normal television as well. There's nothing wrong with showing healthy sex lives, but for an increasingly isolated population, seeing the TV people getting laid constantly can lead to them feeling like there's something wrong with them (not referring to incels here.)

There was that r/relationships post where someone was worried that something was wrong with them because having sex with his wife only made him feel deeply content and happy to the point of tearing up sometimes, satisfied his sex drive, and provided something he'd look forward to if he knew they were planning to have sex later in the day, but it wasn't like the all-consuming wild passion he'd seen in media, so he was worried.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Mr. Unlucky posted:

everyone wants to pretend life isn't a competition and we're not stupid loving animals anymore

good joke

Competition is actually selected against in highly social animals since it weakens group cohesion.

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.




This is what the incel community does to normal guys, talk about cognitive dissonance. They actually attract girls and go on dates but that doesn't matter, it's all over because they didn't immediately score, truly a death sentence. Both are 20 year olds btw, they know nothing about anything but it's all over.

Palpek fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Aug 19, 2017

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

I can't think of anybody, :female: or otherwise, who complained that Flash Thompson didn't look like a bully. I'm sure plenty of nerds complained he wasn't white, though.

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben

Palpek posted:



This is what the incel community does to normal guys, talk about cognitive dissonance. They actually attract girls and go on dates but that doesn't matter, it's all over because they didn't immediately score, truly a death sentence. Both are 20 year olds btw, they know nothing about anything but it's all over.

"Ghosting" implies the girls stopped replying to messages. That's not quite in the same league as "not immediate sex", surely?

Fartbox
Apr 27, 2017
What's happening? Dri fu an only two? what is this?
Is this an avatar? I don't know rm dunk

maybe stop being desperate tools

women can smell that poo poo, they can see your thirst

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

hyphz posted:

"Ghosting" implies the girls stopped replying to messages. That's not quite in the same league as "not immediate sex", surely?

It's also not a big deal

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


hyphz posted:

"Ghosting" implies the girls stopped replying to messages. That's not quite in the same league as "not immediate sex", surely?
Then why do you think they're so dramatic about it?



If you're not a natual dating master at 20 it's all over, no sex until death.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦

Fartbox posted:

maybe stop being desperate tools

women can smell that poo poo, they can see your thirst

Work out, get a career, get friends, get hobbies, etc. If that is too hard, maybe you were not cut out for this world, kid.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Palpek posted:

Then why do you think they're so dramatic about it?



If you're not a natual dating master at 20 it's all over, no sex until death.

Ah yes, "No Sex til Death" the darker, less popular sequel song of "No Sleep til Brooklyn"

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

HUMANOID ORGANISM
Apr 1, 2017

100% AUTHENTIC
CARBON RICH STRUCTURE

I can't believe I never noticed before - John Cena's profile is shaped almost exactly like the country of Chad!

Benny Harvey
Nov 24, 2012

doverhog posted:

Work out, get a career, get friends, get hobbies, etc. If that is too hard, maybe you were not cut out for this world, kid.

Not disagreeing with you but co-workers, friends and fellow hobbyists are just more people who will give you poo poo for not being good with women. Everything starts feeling like a vicious cycle you can't break out of.


Oh and most incels are probably far enough along the spectrum so as not to "get" friendships. Hell, someone even mentioned that a lot of them just straight up don't have hobbies or interests.

lazorexplosion
Mar 19, 2016

I'm tired of the cucks/clueless females giving us the "well what about lesbians?TM " argument every time they attempt to refute our points.

The truth this there is no such thing as true lesbians. There is no evolutionary reason for them to exist. Gay males exist in order to reduce instances of inter-tribal violence/conflict for female sexual affection. This is why the rates of male homosexuality increase proportionally for every older male sibling a male has. Lesbians serve no evolutionary purpose.

What happens is "lesbians" get heart broken after Chad pile drives them/ravages all of their holes. After Chad discards them, (because they are useless receptacles) they get the silly notion in their heads that they will "just date/gently caress other girls". In this case, lesbians=female coping strategy.

Lesbianism is also a potential strategy to attract Chads. After all, two females having sex is a good way to bait Chad into a threesome.

Lesbianism also serves as a way to get attention. Females thrive off of attention because they are essentially immature children that never grow up. Also, from an evolutionary perspective, females can't get resources for themselves so attention helps them parasite off of capable men.

Lesbianism also serves as a way to make money via pornography.

Lesbianism is a good example of how females can fake sexual affection in order to serve an interior agenda.

Lastly, in today's culture lesbianism is seen as "edgy". Some females are lesbians because they are too stupid to simply lie about it and they actually carry it out (even against their own instincts). They do this because they want to be seen as edgy-hipster-professional-victims.

So, if you see a lesbian, understand that she is lying to both herself and you.

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lazorexplosion
Mar 19, 2016

A Marxist Critique of the Sexual Economy

It may seem difficult to understand the realities of the blackpill. It may be hard to come to terms with how - and why - the world functions as it does. And even when you do, it is even harder to understand where to go next.

But there is one set of techniques which shines a clear light on the world we live in. A scientific and logical analysis of systems of limited resources - Marxism. When we undertake a Marxist analysis of the sexual economy, we immediately find its nuances explained and its realities presented for all to see.

The fundamental element of inequality is exploitation. In economic Marxism, exploitation occurs when a capitalist takes most of the value a worker's labor creates, leaving them barely enough to survive. In other words, the worker's surplus value is stolen from them. This is how capitalists make profits. Sometimes, the capitalists let some segments of workers keep more of their value, in order to bribe and pacify them.

In the sexual economy, there are two distinct classes of men - Chads...and everyone else. There is a group which keeps most women for itself - the Chad-Bourgeois - and a much larger group which, despite being responsible for maintaining global civilization with their labor so that Chad is free to take all he wants, is denied most women. These are the sexual proletariat.

The sexuality of women should be evenly spread among society, but it is not. Instead, it is commodified by sexual capitalism and given to Chad. The Chad-Bourgeoisie allow the sexual proletariat to have just as much pussy as they need to keep the human race alive through reproduction. But even here is it not fair; the proletariat get Chad's leftovers - only when the Chad-Bourgeois no longer want a woman does she go to settle down, marry, and reproduce with a non-Chad.

Now, I mentioned before that the economic bourgeois sometimes bribe workers by giving them more than they would otherwise. In the modern era, the Chad-Bourgeois are facing a world where the proletariat is no longer consigned to the feudal life of arranged marriages without any questions asked, and can see the reality of sexual inequality via media and their own insights. The Chad-Bourgeois responds by bribing the sexual proletariat - they, too, are now allowed to have sex before marriage, and perhaps gently caress many women. These women are, of course, still the ones Chad doesn't want, but it bribes most of the world. Remember, this happened when the sexual free market, where women can now choose their partners without having to marry a non-Chad in the end, replaced the Feudal system of arranged marriage. This is sexual capitalism.

The people so bribed are normies. This is the main reason why normies are blind to the sexual capitalist system and lack revolutionary potential.

But the system is imperfect. Due to the female's nature, not all members of the proletariat can be bribed just by the Chad-Bourgeois allowing (pseudo) free sex for everyone. A group at the bottom is inevitability left out - incels.

As sexual feudalism shifted to sexual capitalism, a contradiction was exposed - the Contradiction of Sexual Capitalism is the existence of incels, and the conclusion of the capitalist stage of history must be the resolving of this contradiction. Due to how females are hardwired to be only attracted to Chads, incels always lose in a sexual free market. Many females would rather be single than marry an incel, and a result the incels become a class which doesn't even get marriage, much less any additional bribes. Due to their extreme condition, the incels become "blackpilled" and see the system as it is. The incels thus attain class consciousness.

The basic structure of the sexual world is that the Chad-Bourgeois take all the pussy they can, especially the desirable kind, while eventually passing their leftovers to the sexual proletariat as bribes and allowances. Among the latter group, those are who successfully bribed are normies, and those who become class conscious are incels.

So how do the Chad-Bourgeois manage to keep society under their control, even with incels attain class consciousness? In Marxism, the answer is the Base and superstructure. In a sexual capitalist society, all we know is shaped by the system of sexual economy we live in. Our culture, beliefs, and so on are bent to conform to and reinforce the Chad-Bourgeois narrative. In order to prevent the sexual proletariat from attaining class consciousness, the Chad-Bourgouse use culture to create a false consciousness for them to live in instead.

The key to understanding this is to understand that truth is relative to one's class. Comrade Lenin explained this with his concept of partiinost, party truth. What is "true" depends on your class, truth for one class may be falsehood for another. Thus, what class's "truth" you're listening to is very important.

For example, let's take the Chad-Bourgeois idea of "confidence." Confidence is an intentionally vague idea to explain Chad's sexual success as anything besides winning the genetic lottery. It is said that someone - anyone - with "confidence" can also live like Chad does. For the Chad-Bourgoise, this is true. All a Chad has to do is be willing step outside or set up an online dating profile and they will get all the pussy they want. However, for the rest of the world, this is not the case. By enforcing the idea of confidence instead of genetic luck, Chad yet again bribes the sexual proletariat - bribes them with hope. The idea of confidence explains structural inequality as personal failure - in the same way the capitalist tells the exploited worker that he, too, would be rich if he only worked harder, so does the Chad tell the sexual proletariat that they could have sex if they were only just a little more confident. In this way, the sexual proletariat are blamed for their own oppression - their celibacy is a result of their own moral failings, because they were not "confident" enough. The Chad-Bourgeois present themselves as having earned the pussy they inherent, while the rest of the world deserves to live without. Confidence is just one example of how sexual capitalism distorts culture and creates false narratives to keep people blind.

Normies love false narratives because they are bribed. A normie, who may have even had sex, believes that his success in the past means the confidence narrative and so on is true - he can truly be a Chad, if he works hard enough! Thus the normies convince themselves Chad's world is not only fair but desirable, because they too might have a chance of being chad.

Normies are deceived to varying degrees.

A regular normie has had their bribe a few times and doesn't bother to think about the realities of exploitation and the sexual economy. These normies can be blackpilled with evidence, but most of them just double down on the false consciousness due to their hope that they can be a Chad.

A beta is a normie who is faced with the reality of sexual inequality. He may be an orbiter, hanging around women in the hope he'll get sex. He may be a nice guy, who is nice to women for the same reason. He may be cucked, whereby he shares a single woman with other men so that he can at least get laid. Though he may deny it, he is painfully aware of these material and sexual realities.

A white knight has come against a blackpill before, and it scared them. They swing the other way - they actively try and spread Chad's narrative and enforce it, because they are trying convince themselves. There is great overlap between white knights and Betas, as the latter often exhibit white knight behavior. Many Betas turn into white knights when confronted with the black pill.

All normies have one thing in common - they do not want to accept the reality of the blackpill because they want to continue to believe they can be Chad. Another element is that they enjoy Chad's narrative when it suits them - regarding incels. They don't like to remember that Chad is sexually more successful then them because he is just better....but that's not so bad if it means that they are better than incels in turn, since they at least "earned" some sex and incels could not! In economic capitalism, the reality of economic status defined by class is ignored in favor of an individualist, democratic narrative, and sexual capitalism works the same way. The realities of incels and the Chad-Bourgeois are overlooked in favor of the lie that it's all about individual action, that any individual can work his way to the top of the sexual marketplace through hard work and imaginary concepts like "confidence."

By the methods described above, the Chad-Bourgeois extract all of the surplus value - in this context, surplus pussy - from the workers/sexual proletariat for themselves, and maintain the system through bribing normies and creating false consciousness. But here's where it gets really interesting - the immortal science of historical materialism explains even more than this.

Everyone knows that even among Chads there is a hierarchy - a racial hierarchy, with white Chad at the top. In the 1960s, Comrade Mao Zedong developed Marxist-Leninist-Maoism to explain the differences between the first world and the third world. Maoism reveals the first world exploits the third world through imperialism, and sets up a global class hierarchy of sorts. This economic hierarchy in turn ties into a sexual hierarchy - one where the imperialist white Chads are above the colonized Chads. A critique of imperialism explains the racial Chad hierarchy - which, of course, filters down into the sexual proletariat as well.

Following this trend, we can see the close interconnection between looks (Chad privilege) and economic success. Females like money and power...and it seems Chad ends up with those as well.

We all know that studies have proven Chads are much more likely to succeed in economic sphere. They are given quality jobs and often end up in very social, very prestigious positions like executive officers. But this shows us that wealth comes second. Poor Chads still dominate the sexual proletariat, and their poverty, on average, never lasts long. In other words, sexual inequality comes before economic inequality, and due to how intertwined they are, it means that economic inequality is a consequence of sexual inequality due to society's constant preference for Chad. Sexual inequality predates economic capitalism, feudalism, even primitive tribalism - sexual inequality is the original and eternal form of hierarchy, it is harbinger of all other inequalities in other areas.

Thus, the Revolutionary and Immortal Science of Marxist-Rodgerism is born. We see that the fundamental conflict is between the well endowed Chad-Bourgeoisie and the sexual proletariat, and that all other conflicts ultimately derive from this great inequality. We see that the Chad-Bourgeois manipulates culture and society to further its narratives and worldview to maintain this power structure. Finally, we must conclude that the only way forward for humanity is to dismantle the system of sexual capitalism so that sex can be distributed fairly to all members of society.

Incels of the world, rise up! You have nothing to lose but your chains!

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