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At this point? gently caress it, doxx the nazis. Yeah, there was that ugly incident where someone was wrongly identified as a torch-wielding nazi and got harassed. That was dumb and regrettable, and if the left/antifa are going to doxx people they can't be sloppy about it. And yes, purposefully getting people fired over their political beliefs kinda makes us look like hypocrites. But we should know by now that letting these fuckers off the hook purely for the sake of moral or intellectual consistency won't get us the same treatment in return. People get fired all the time for leftist political beliefs, just ask any union organizer. And if there's no legal penalty for being an unhooded white supremacist marching in broad daylight, there drat well should be social and economic ones. Remember, the whole point of all this "free speech" rhetoric coming from the far right over the past few years is to try to make open racism and fascism socially acceptable again. It's up to the rest of us to make sure that doesn't happen, whether by physical confrontation or by making them unemployable, unlikable, and unfuckable social pariahs. E: also sometimes doxxing is the only way to exact actual justice. The nazis who beat the poo poo out of DeAndre Harris in Charlottesville (next door to the goddamn police station ffs) are being hunted down online and in real life by doxxers because the police literally don't give a gently caress about bringing his assailants to justice. Rhesus Pieces fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Aug 19, 2017 |
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Rhesus Pieces posted:And yes, purposefully getting people fired over their political beliefs kinda makes us look like hypocrites. is "genocide subhuman races" really a political belief?
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yoober posted:is "genocide subhuman races" really a political belief? don't you see? that's just their opinion
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"They might try and doxx the left too" isn't really a threat because they've been trying it for some time now
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yoober posted:is "genocide subhuman races" really a political belief? I guess it can be a religious one too
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It's not doxxing to identify nazis who have YouTube channels under their own names where they talk about being nazis and then show up to a nazi rally in public
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Aug 19, 2017 22:07
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Calling someone's boss will always be a snitch move to me.
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Aug 19, 2017 22:19
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GalacticAcid posted:Calling someone's boss will always be a snitch move to me. Maybe they shouldn't have been a nazi if they didn't want people to judge them like Nazis
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Ok maim them or whatever but calling the boss is the most busybody Facebook liberal tactic.
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oatgan posted:"They might try and doxx the left too" isn't really a threat because they've been trying it for some time now I'm on at least two "antifa unmasked" posters that I know of because some ninny forgot to make the group we use for sharing memes secret ror like a day They can't pin anything to me and my facebook is years out of date (and I did a good job scrubbing stuff over a period where I was at risk of being swatted) but yeah Also re masking up an actual discussion my group has every time something goes down is who's willing to do what and who's masking up. We've got a couple people who are in redneck revolt, so they can't mask up, and they don't go straight to the front to take a punch. The people who can, and are willing to, do.
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We don't call the manager on Nazis, we call the loving morgue.
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GalacticAcid posted:Ok maim them or whatever but calling the boss is the most busybody Facebook liberal tactic. Hey hey that's not true, liberals only call bosses on leftists
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GalacticAcid posted:Ok maim them or whatever but calling the boss is the most busybody Facebook liberal tactic. "Run the risk of going to jail and martyring one of these shitheads so there's literally no benefit to anyone but them, but getting them fired is bad" gently caress you
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 forums poster disapproves of snitching to the boss, better get mad.
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Hi my name is dickeye one of my biggest roles in my crew is interfacing with leftist org in my area and reassuring them that antifa aren't all crazy assholes looking for a fight and that we don't plan on throwing the first punch but we'll drat sure throw the last one, so believe me when I tell you that throwing the first punch is not always a good thing
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Yeah you're right the only consequence they should suffer is possibly violence, and if there's nobody near them willing to do that well I guess that's how the cookie crumbles,
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If you wanna talk about how there should be stronger labor protections so people engaging in politics can't get fired, that's fine, but a standard where you can't identify people leading a public rally is silly
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Sebadoh Gigante posted:I was listening to Cum Town, America's number one leftist podcast, and Nick Mullen said he was against doxxing because it could target the wrong people and also because it could be used against the left (what's to stop employers from firing people for involvement with Antifa?) the second the organized left poses a real threat to capital, they'll be put down with an unthinkable level of state violence
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I think there should be stronger Nazi protection and by that I mean protections from Nazis and by that I mean see them driven before you
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Yeah I don't have a problem identifying them, they should be identified. But literally calling someone's boss... do what you want, but that will never be me.
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re: doxxing (an xpost)Powaqoatse posted:speaking of secfucks, someone hacked a nazi merch webstore and handed over their customer db to Swedish antifa A Pinball Wizard posted:Is there a translation of the letter somewhere? My PIN is 4826 posted:dunno, but here's my liberal translation
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any tactic that you employ against the enemy can also be turned against you. we are all fighting with sticks, then someone pulls out a knife, then everyone else has to start knife fighting or else die from stab wounds. my thoughts on this are fuzzy but i guess people who are against dropping dox fear the escalation. maybe we'll lose once the knives come out? maybe things are gonna get out of control. whats the world gonna look like when driving a car into a crowd of enemy protestors becomes standard. its kind of scary
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I think there should be stronger Nazi protection and by that I mean protections from Nazis and by that I mean see them driven before you
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Law Cheetah posted:any tactic that you employ against the enemy can also be turned against you. we are all fighting with sticks, then someone pulls out a knife, then everyone else has to start knife fighting or else die from stab wounds. my thoughts on this are fuzzy but i guess people who are against dropping dox fear the escalation. maybe we'll lose once the knives come out? maybe things are gonna get out of control. whats the world gonna look like when driving a car into a crowd of enemy protestors becomes standard. its kind of scary Don't brinf a knife to a lacrosse ball in a sock fight
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I'll take the crowd of 3000 angry new yorkers over the 200 guys with knives any day
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dylguy90 posted:I'll take the crowd of 3000 angry new yorkers over the 200 guys with knives any day Knife guys get trampled to a thunderous roar of IM WALKIN HERE
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A stampede of timbs
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GalacticAcid posted:A stampede of timbs New York values, even.
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oatgan posted:"They might try and doxx the left too" isn't really a threat because they've been trying it for some time now I did meet an antifa guy at uni who had fun with this though. He'd publish the information of fascists on their own doxxing websites along with some information about how they're an undercover leftist and a race traitor or something, just to poo poo stir.
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we're social fucken animals and we need to show these people that their beliefs have consequences, if naming and shaming and/or calling their employer/family is what we need to do to do that, then so be it thing is though, the tactic should only ever be "just letting you know this guy is a nazi, bye" like we shouldn't be trying to intimidate or threaten anyone, we just have to let people know that there's fascists in their midst and let the social order play out, that's how we can distinguish ourselves from the right and similar tactics they've used in the past
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GalacticAcid posted:Yeah I don't have a problem identifying them, they should be identified. But literally calling someone's boss... do what you want, but that will never be me. i don't have any sympathy for the nazis that get fired or whatever, but people need to be honest with themselves and admit that it has nothing to do with morality or changing the world, it's just adults jumping at the chance to finally be on the other side of bullying for once in their lives
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Rhesus Pieces posted:E: also sometimes doxxing is the only way to exact actual justice. The nazis who beat the poo poo out of DeAndre Harris in Charlottesville (next door to the goddamn police station ffs) are being hunted down online and in real life by doxxers because the police literally don't give a gently caress about bringing his assailants to justice. In light of the rally on campus, other thing I'd like to mention about our glorious city is that we have a a no-poo poo segregated fraternity system. I didn't realize this until I read the linked article, even though I literally walk through the aftermath of UVA fraternity parties every weekday. yoober posted:is "genocide subhuman races" really a political belief?
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Neon Belly posted:New York values, even. 
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little munchkin posted:i don't have any sympathy for the nazis that get fired or whatever, but people need to be honest with themselves and admit that it has nothing to do with morality or changing the world, it's just adults jumping at the chance to finally be on the other side of bullying for once in their lives Lmbo gently caress off
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This is the guy who called white supremacy a dead meme a couple days ago just in case anyone is wondering
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:This is the guy who called white supremacy a dead meme a couple days ago just in case anyone is wondering that was a quote from a post that was like two above mine. misguided callout culture ftw
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If being a Nazi in public means you get fired and shunned fewer people will be openly Nazi because they're mostly cowards. Fewer public Nazis is good. Now if we can just get cops with Nazi tattoos fired, then we'll be cooking with gas.
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probably not a good idea to be using gas metaphors around nazi issues
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idk about you guys but if i were a nazi i'd but my head in an oven wai-
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landgrabber posted:idk about you guys but if i were a nazi i'd but my head in an oven please dont appropriate poet culture
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