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rudatron posted:I also struggle to see your interpretation of 'meaningful' as honest - not everything that is real is meaningful. I ate a burger, I took a poo poo - is there meaning in that? No. It means you didn't die of hunger or septic shock, because you chose to eat and poo poo.
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personally i don't give a rats rear end about the series of loads blown in vaginas that lead to my ability to poo poo post
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Dairy Days posted:personally i don't give a rats rear end about the series of loads blown in vaginas that lead to my ability to poo poo post im afraid not caring it is itself counterrevolutionary. would you rather be blindfolded or not?
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Aug 20, 2017 01:27
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Michael Bayleaf posted:I doubt anyone here would defend taking your identity from your family history. It depends on if that identity is "I'm better than everyone else" or "I am a unique individual amongst many equally unique individuals who all share solidarity despite complex backrounds"
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Aug 20, 2017 01:27
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Volcott posted:These aren't cspammy pics AT ALL! Just post them as a screencap then they'll be the cspammiest.
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Aug 20, 2017 01:28
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there has to something about a smoking firing squad vs nonsmoking firing squad
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Aug 20, 2017 01:29
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Al! posted:im afraid not caring it is itself counterrevolutionary. would you rather be blindfolded or not? you'll have to catch me first 
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Aug 20, 2017 01:29
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imo the only things that truly make you are the things you can help but whatever it's basically empty semantics garbage. here's a picture 
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Venom Snake posted:It depends on if that identity is "I'm better than everyone else" or "I am a unique individual amongst many equally unique individuals who all share solidarity despite complex backrounds" It's only truly reactionary if your ancestral identity forms the basis of a distinct polity, with its own special political interests that are at odds with everyone else's.
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Aug 20, 2017 01:30
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Very uplifting rhetoric this "we are all worthless meatsacks completely divorced from our origins whose life has no meaning beyond it's ceasing" really gets me in the revolutionary mood.
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Aug 20, 2017 01:31
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It means you didn't die of hunger or septic shock, because you chose to eat and poo poo. That's not solipsism, that's basic existentialism, please understand philosophical terms before you use them.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Buddy you just used "arbitrary" to describe historical processes, which are anything but. You can't just decide on a personal whim to have Mongolian origins. It is a personal whim for most US white people, because they find a king in their family tree and decide that they are descended from a king rather than having a more realistic and materialist foundation regarding their place in society. In that sense it is incredibly reactionary. However, a black person or a Hispanic person is generally more likely to identify with oppressed ancestors, which is not the same as class solidarity, but it is not as arbitrary or meaningless as the guy who wears a kilt once a year.
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https://twitter.com/dasharez0ne/status/896558739741974529
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Venom Snake posted:Very uplifting rhetoric this "we are all worthless meatsacks completely divorced from our origins whose life has no meaning beyond it's ceasing" really gets me in the revolutionary mood. 
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Aug 20, 2017 01:35
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You want to understand your history? Imagine a boner, shooting a load into a vagina, forever
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Sweet Daddy Marx: Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. And just as they seem to be occupied with revolutionizing themselves and things, creating something that did not exist before, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history in time-honored disguise and borrowed language. Thus Luther put on the mask of the Apostle Paul, the Revolution of 1789-1814 draped itself alternately in the guise of the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire, and the Revolution of 1848 knew nothing better to do than to parody, now 1789, now the revolutionary tradition of 1793-95. In like manner, the beginner who has learned a new language always translates it back into his mother tongue, but he assimilates the spirit of the new language and expresses himself freely in it only when he moves in it without recalling the old and when he forgets his native tongue. Contrarian Dipshit: Durrr, my personal experience is all that matters. Wanting to know about old stuff is reactionary. *huffs own farts*
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Michael Bayleaf posted:You want to understand your history? Imagine a boner, shooting a load into a vagina, forever Well I guess there's no such thing as Vocel/Incel heritage so it technically isn't reactionary
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rudatron posted:You didn't have a choice in all the history that existed previous to your existence, it is therefore impossible to derive self-knowledge from it. Your self derives from formative childhood experiences and your current actions and beliefs, not from some stupid story that you didn't see. You create your own meaning, it cannot be given to you, nor can it be 'found' somewhere else. look at who believes he has a unitary self with an objective basis in experience lol
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Sweet Daddy Marx: I think you are ignoring the reality of what "finding your roots" means in current-day America, which is what was being discussed originally. It's just cherry picking "oh cool, I'm related to X" where X is whatever you identify with already.
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Venom Snake posted:Well I guess there's no such thing as Vocel/Incel heritage so it technically isn't reactionary well there is if you want to open up a real nasty can of worms for the sake of a dumb joke
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Flavius Belisarius posted:I think you are ignoring the reality of what "finding your roots" means in current-day America, which is what was being discussed originally. It's just cherry picking "oh cool, I'm related to X" where X is whatever you identify with already. oh hi flavius belisarius, were the quotes you demanded enough to satisfy your hunger for the dialectic? the reason i am asking is you seem to be ignoring this thing marx said here
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Aug 20, 2017 01:43
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rudatron posted:You didn't have a choice in all the history that existed previous to your existence, it is therefore impossible to derive self-knowledge from it. Your self derives from formative childhood experiences and your current actions and beliefs, not from some stupid story that you didn't see. You create your own meaning, it cannot be given to you, nor can it be 'found' somewhere else. All the history that existed previous to my existence is the primary reason I'm a communist. Knowledge of that history shaped my self involuntarily, just as it has shaped yourself. Such knowledge cannot be unlearned except by the bottle or holes in your brain. To act as if it all means nothing, would be like putting a genie back in the lamp and pretending that you never summoned it.
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R. Mute posted:realistically, it's just a form of escapism and masturbation - made clear by people making a beeline for that one nobleman they supposedly have in their family tree somewhere instead of generation upon generation of dirtfarmers I take a lot of pride in the goatfuckers and horse thieves that make up my ancestry
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Aug 20, 2017 01:44
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Sweet Daddy Marx: It has nothing to do with finding meaning, and you're acting like a baby.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:I take a lot of pride in the goatfuckers and horse thieves that make up my ancestry I like to imagine that my family has always been rapists
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Aug 20, 2017 01:45
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excuse me while I hold a bunch of long dead ppl up to a prophetic level
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p sure the goats consented
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Aug 20, 2017 01:46
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i am part of a long family tradition of not posting loving pics in the pics thread
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me too
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rudatron posted:That's using history as a language for self-expression, not deriving meaning for the self from lineage, however imagined. You don't have to be french, or a descendant of the revolutionaries, or hold exactly the same views as french revolutionaries, to use the imagery of the french revolution for your messaging. People have to express themselves using the words and concepts at hand, that's basically all the passage is saying. self-expression isn't meaningful?
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My school socialist group had a discussion somewhat similar to this where the school mascot is a Knight and typically knights as symbols have been associated with reactionary groups. In looking up the history of early labor orgs we discovered one of the first was named "Knights of Labor". We chose too use Knight in our socialist group name because maintaining an identity with the university is important and being able to harken back to the labor organizers of yore is cool.
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omg wtf is this argument rn. are the strong materialists seriously arguing with the weak materialists whether historical identification represents class essentialism outside the bounds of the prole/ bougie dialectic
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Dairy Days posted:excuse me while I hold a bunch of long dead ppl up to a prophetic level hell yeah bich 
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[quote="Al!" post="4t75547013"] oh hi flavius belisarius, were the quotes you demanded enough to satisfy your hunger for the dialectic? the reason i am asking is you seem to be ignoring this thing marx said here [/quote] I am crippled by my lack of vocabulary! I'm just the guy who says "that sounds like a good idea. I don't like capitalism either" basically. I've tried to read some socialist writings but they all seem to assume some prior knowledge of very specific terms and I'm never really sure where to start.
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rudatron posted:That's using history as a language for self-expression, not deriving meaning for the self from lineage, however imagined. You don't have to be french, or a descendant of the revolutionaries, or hold exactly the same views as french revolutionaries, to use the imagery of the french revolution for your messaging. People have to express themselves using the words and concepts at hand, that's basically all the passage is saying. Doesn't it stand to reason though that anybody who drapes themself in the mantle of the French Revolution identifies with those revolutionaries? Those events and the way they conducted themselves bear meaning for the individual that expresses itself in their terms.
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Flavius Belisarius posted:I am crippled by my lack of vocabulary! I'm just the guy who says "that sounds like a good idea. I don't like capitalism either" basically. I've tried to read some socialist writings but they all seem to assume some prior knowledge of very specific terms and I'm never really sure where to start. Perhaps I can translate into meme Dialectical materialism = They don't think it be like it is, but it do
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Flavius Belisarius posted:I am crippled by my lack of vocabulary! I'm just the guy who says "that sounds like a good idea. I don't like capitalism either" basically. I've tried to read some socialist writings but they all seem to assume some prior knowledge of very specific terms and I'm never really sure where to start. well, as literally an award winning political scientist id recommend instead of reading theory you go for a local leftist group, literally any kind of leftist group (that isn't left black nationalist or other identity based group that is explicitly exclusionary, sorry but that's just gonna be a gate you have to deal with  )
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Shiiiiiit. If college was like that I would've come out of it gay as all hell.
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