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FuzzySkinner posted:Can we have a serious talk about AntiFA? 
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Aug 20, 2017 02:38
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I don't wanna be a poo poo lib and be the type of guy throwing their asses in jail. On principle? I'm not really for that sort of thing. Just trying to understand. Feels like a lot of the "PUNCH NAZI's" types on twitter would not exactly fit in with "AntiFa" in quite a few ways. Kinda like the old "How are you fellow kids?" meme.
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Aug 20, 2017 02:49
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Historically the most hardcore antifa lived together in share-houses and are anarcho-communist. But I don't really know how much that holds true these days. I'm sure many of them hold quite left-wing views compared to the typical American liberal. There hasn't been a better time to hold radically different views from the status quo, so I'm not sure how hostile, particularly younger people would be to alternate political systems. While I doubt many people would outright endorse an anarcho-communist world view, there's anti-capitalist aspects which are increasingly attractive to people fed up with how things are run. Maybe you aren't giving people enough credit in being able to separate the anti-fascist sentiment from the radical leftist position. We have it drilled into our heads by the media that anyone who turns up to a protest is an extreme radical leftist. So perhaps people can appreciate and endorse activism when it is channelled towards a sympathetic cause. And while you probably wouldn't find an anarcho-communist in the army on the front lines, it's not like they were resting during times of war. They're the sort of people who organised local resistances, and kept cities working under difficult circumstances. Also there were some twenty odd million communists who died during world war two. It's kind of an odd question to ask if people would turn against antifa if they knew their true sympathies. It's one of the few political causes which united people globally across many ideologies. I don't think many people outside of the far-right conservative bubble give a poo poo about secret communists (under the guise of anti-fascism) being a threat. It's a kind of paranoia that doesn't even exist for almost half of the population who weren't politically aware during the cold war. I'd think you'd get scoffing more than anything, but it wouldn't change anyone's mind on the greater issue of anti-fascism. FuzzySkinner posted:I don't wanna be a poo poo lib You are a poo poo lib.
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Aug 20, 2017 04:18
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FuzzySkinner posted:Can we have a serious talk about AntiFA? This is unfair and almost entirely unrelated to whatever it is you posted, but phrases like "can we have a discussion about" and "we need to talk about" are the worst kind of dogwhistles for me.
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Aug 20, 2017 04:30
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Chieves posted:This is unfair and almost entirely unrelated to whatever it is you posted, but phrases like "can we have a discussion about" and "we need to talk about" are the worst kind of dogwhistles for me. Yeah I'm just a tad bit frustrated, so forgive the semi passive aggressive language. I'd much prefer we see the DSA continue to grow mainstream (perhaps to the point where we supplant the current Democrats as the "labor/union/people's party" in the US). I think constructive criticism of our side needs to be in order in quite some ways. Whether it's to the right (Centrists) or to the Left (anarco-communists) I think we need reform across the whole really, because -this- isn't working. We have sociopaths running the country right now, and that does concern me. I'm concerned because I don't want to re-enact WWII. Punching Nazis and keeping them away from intimidating minorities is a net good. Something I approve of. I just question other things like assaulting reporters. (Especially if said reporter is a woman).
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Aug 20, 2017 05:11
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FuzzySkinner posted:Punching Nazis and keeping them away from intimidating minorities is a net good. Something I approve of. I just question other things like assaulting reporters. (Especially if said reporter is a woman). Okay well when law enforcement, federal agencies, and non-state actors stop going through what reporters publish to doxx, harass, and target leftists, then antifa can stop defending itself. (Even from women)
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Aug 20, 2017 05:14
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FuzzySkinner posted:I just question other things like assaulting reporters. (Especially if said reporter is a woman). Do you actually think a large percentage of people are going "It's cool and good that the reporter got assaulted?" No, it loving sucks. Ideally antifa would never make a mistake, but people are human and people are dumb and mistakes happen. Their heart is still in the right place. Also, you're a terrible loving lib who thinks you're so woke to the bad poo poo happening on the left when it's all loving inconsequential poo poo on Twitter, but the bad poo poo on the right is actively happening right now in the loving White House. Pick your loving battles, the leftists have 0 loving power right now but for some reason (hint: the reason is you like to look down on people) you're more concerned about what they do than what the people in actual power are doing. Goddamn do I hate your posting. You're all "I want $15/hour and single payer, but ughhhhh these loving leftists, huh?" Who else do you think is going to fight for those things? Maybe don't poo poo all over your potential allies with every single post.
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Aug 20, 2017 05:16
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WampaLord posted:Do you actually think a large percentage of people are going "It's cool and good that the reporter got assaulted?" gently caress you. You know nothing of me and my character. Shove your self righteousness up your loving rear end.
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Aug 20, 2017 05:30
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WampaLord posted:Do you actually think a large percentage of people are going "It's cool and good that the reporter got assaulted?" The person directly above you is defending attacking journalists as part of the cause.
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Aug 20, 2017 05:30
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WampaLord posted:Do you actually think a large percentage of people are going "It's cool and good that the reporter got assaulted?" you ok buddy
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Aug 20, 2017 05:34
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FuzzySkinner posted:I think constructive criticism of our side needs to be in order in quite some ways. Whether it's to the right (Centrists) or to the Left (anarco-communists) I think we need reform across the whole really, because -this- isn't working. We have sociopaths running the country right now, and that does concern me. I'm concerned because I don't want to re-enact WWII. You seem to have an issue separating social causes, individual political actions, and political ideologies. Many other people seem to have no problem forming an identity by picking and choosing things that they like, and understanding that not everyone is representative of their identity 100% of the time. You seem to be holding antifa to a standard and demanding a level of purity that no ideology or movement has ever met. Sometimes Democrats push regressive policy while campaigning for progressive causes, and sometimes Republicans do immoral things while fighting moral crusades. This is true for many things in life, not just politics. I don't think anyone is defending the actions against bystanders, or that the current strategy is a perfect solution to our problems. I'm 100% certain that at some point a milquetoast liberal has got upset at someone disagreeing with their views and punched them out of anger. Does that invalidate whatever the heck your position is? If you understand all of this, and still continue to undermine what you nominally support, then maybe you don't really support it and should reevaluate your position.
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Aug 20, 2017 05:46
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Byolante posted:The person directly above you is defending attacking journalists as part of the cause. It's okay dude. She was asking for it. Film poo poo, get hit.
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Aug 20, 2017 05:48
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HIJK posted:you ok buddy I'm confused, is this not the Mock Someone Thread? Byolante posted:The person directly above you is defending attacking journalists as part of the cause. Thanks for not answering the question, which was "Do you actually think a large percentage of people are going "It's cool and good that the reporter got assaulted?" and not "Did one idiot do so?" FuzzySkinner posted:gently caress you. It's true, I can't peer into your heart of hearts, I'm just going on what you post here and I feel that's a pretty accurate summary of the personality you're showing from the way you post. But a serious piece of advice, read less Twitter, it's warping your worldview something awful. 
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Aug 20, 2017 05:49
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Byolante posted:The person directly above you is defending attacking journalists as part of the cause. Did you read what you quoted?
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Aug 20, 2017 05:49
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WampaLord posted:I'm confused, is this not the Mock Someone Thread? its also supposed to be more lighthearted so maybe chill instead of reviving the more leftist than thou circle jerk we just went through
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Aug 20, 2017 05:58
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HIJK posted:its also supposed to be more lighthearted so maybe chill instead of reviving the more leftist than thou circle jerk we just went through I'll take partial blame. This is probably the wrong thread to post what I posted. My bad.
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Aug 20, 2017 06:01
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WampaLord posted:Thanks for not answering the question, which was "Do you actually think a large percentage of people are going "It's cool and good that the reporter got assaulted?" and not "Did one idiot do so?" The prevailing sentiment among people who show up to counter-demos wanting to punch nazis is reporters are a problem because 'I might be identified as the sort of person who attacks bystanders'
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Aug 20, 2017 06:04
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Byolante posted:The prevailing sentiment among people who show up to counter-demos wanting to punch nazis is reporters are a problem because 'I might be identified as the sort of person who attacks bystanders' [citation needed] HIJK posted:its also supposed to be more lighthearted so maybe chill instead of reviving the more leftist than thou circle jerk we just went through That's fair, I apologize for being so hostile and misreading the tone of the thread.
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Aug 20, 2017 06:07
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Antifa are doing a terrible job at punching all reporters if it is official policy.
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Aug 20, 2017 06:08
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The notion that anyone and everyone who dislikes political violence is a lib will never stop being laughable. Is Noam Chomsky a lib now? Are all anti-authoritarian socialists really crypto-libs?
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Aug 20, 2017 06:10
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Like, I'm more open to political violence than Chomsky but his position on this issue doesn't make him a loving liberal, and certainly doesn't make Chomsky a "neo-Nazi sympathizer" as some lib fuckwits here have called him.
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Aug 20, 2017 06:16
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MaxxBot posted:The notion that anyone and everyone who dislikes political violence is a lib will never stop being laughable. Is Noam Chomsky a lib now? Are all anti-authoritarian socialists really crypto-libs? SPLC are libs lol
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Aug 20, 2017 06:21
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Strange how goons aren't really ideologically pure at all.
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Aug 20, 2017 06:23
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Tokamak posted:Antifa are doing a terrible job at punching all reporters if it is official policy. Yeah it's actually a second peace we brokered with the fascists so we can punch bloated op-ed dorks, who absolutely deserve. Everything you've seen on the news is not actually communities organizing and standing up for fascist declarations of the intent to do violence, but all an elaborate ruse solely for the purpose of assaulting journalists. Yes, political violence is bad. Nobody on the hard left is thrilled about it. but one side is coming out in Tier One Operator cosplay with real guns declaring their intention to form an ethnostate, and the other is the people you're concern trolling.
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Aug 20, 2017 06:23
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Byolante posted:SPLC are libs lol What does Chomsky have to do with the SPLC?
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Aug 20, 2017 06:24
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MaxxBot posted:Like, I'm more open to political violence than Chomsky but his position on this issue doesn't make him a loving liberal, and certainly doesn't make Chomsky a "neo-Nazi sympathizer" as some lib fuckwits here have called him. I believe in pacifism and non violent resistance. (but not "#theresistance"). I'm willing to bend on those philosophies only in situations where this is absolutely no other option. Charlottesville...was that most recent situation.
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Aug 20, 2017 06:58
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I sink to my knees. In front of me is the dying red sun. Night falls for the last time...my last time. I sit upon a mountain of corpses. Antifa, Chomskys, wokes and shitlibs alike cried for mercy and all fell to my katana. Rivers of blood flow from my wounds. I am the last. The last pure leftist. The try-hards were the first to go. The keyboard circle jerkers were next. Their ideological impurity condemned them. I was simply the instrument of their fate. The sun dips behind the horizon. I die at peace knowing that I have purged leftism of all those not fully committed to the tenants the true ideology. Now the world is at peace. I have done my duty. "Bernie...take them. It's up to you now. I don't know how those super delegates work anyway!"
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Aug 20, 2017 07:16
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MaxxBot posted:What does Chomsky have to do with the SPLC? SPLC are also against the sort of campus counter-demos that leds to the current climate of violence
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Aug 20, 2017 07:31
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Byolante posted:SPLC are also against the sort of campus counter-demos that leds to the current climate of violence https://www.splcenter.org/20170810/alt-right-campus-what-students-need-know Wow. Yeah, pro-click.
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Aug 20, 2017 07:46
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Tokamak posted:Strange how goons aren't really ideologically pure at all. i am ideologically pure.... pure ebil!!!
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Aug 20, 2017 07:49
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"campus counter demos led to the current climate of violence" yes because opposing fascists cultivates a climate of violence, unlike the actual fascists demonstrating their desires to brutally and violently subjugate everyone that doesn't look like them, no sir, they do not foster a climate of violence, no sir
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Aug 20, 2017 07:55
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imagine being in the nightmare that was the battle of Stalingrad hoveled up in some corner as your countrymen fight to the last corpse and some affluent shitheel declaring it was the toxic masculinity inherit to the Slavic identity that created this climate of violence, as the Wehrmacht are finally pushed to a standstill by Harry Potter cosplayers
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Aug 20, 2017 07:57
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MaxxBot posted:The notion that anyone and everyone who dislikes political violence is a lib will never stop being laughable. Is Noam Chomsky a lib now? Are all anti-authoritarian socialists really crypto-libs? Not libs, but pretty cowardly imo. Discouraging leftists from engaging in political violence because you're afraid we're not as ruthless as the Nazis, is basically an open admission that they can push you as far as they want & you won't fight back until it's too late.
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Aug 20, 2017 08:03
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WampaLord posted:
you weren't wrong lmao
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Aug 20, 2017 08:04
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remember when greg gianforte body slammed that liberal reporter and his polls shot up and then he won the election? lol
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Aug 20, 2017 08:22
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Scent of Worf posted:remember when greg gianforte body slammed that liberal reporter and his polls shot up and then he won the election? lol should've put that turd in a backbreaker
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Aug 20, 2017 08:24
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Taintrunner posted:Yes, political violence is bad. Nobody on the hard left is thrilled about it. but one side is coming out in Tier One Operator cosplay with real guns declaring their intention to form an ethnostate, and the other is the people you're concern trolling.
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Aug 20, 2017 08:48
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Not libs, but pretty cowardly imo. Discouraging leftists from engaging in political violence because you're afraid we're not as ruthless as the Nazis, is basically an open admission that they can push you as far as they want & you won't fight back until it's too late. Discouraging open and free violence in the streets is now a sign of being a nazi sympathiser. The situation we are in now is exactly what the nazis were hoping for because for the average person in the street its two packs of violent thugs attacking each other and anybody else who gets in the way. Fox news is running footage of some masked antifa attacking some stupid old lady with a flag and dragging her along the ground for 20 odd meters. She was probably there to shout about how minorities are a problem and should be shot or deported but you don't see that in the clip. Its normalising violence so that when Trump says both sides are at fault a lot of people think yeah black block and nazis were fighting each other and innocent bystanders got caught in the crossfire. Its too late to hope for decorum now because its already at the point of people willing to kill each other. Probably the best thing that can be done is for black block to form lines outside soft targets like synagogues or black churches and prevent the far-right from approaching. Taking the fight to what started as a legitimate, 1st amendment protected rally and causing city wide bedlam will only make things worse.
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Aug 20, 2017 09:13
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Byolante posted:Its too late to hope for decorum now because its already at the point of people willing to kill each other. in what fictional world were white nationalists and neo-nazis ever not willing to kill people
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:you weren't wrong lmao Well yea, but that's not what I was apologizing for. Byolante posted:Discouraging open and free violence in the streets is now a sign of being a nazi sympathiser. Frankly, yes. You're ignoring all of the context of the situation to sit there and go "All violence is bad." It's the equivalent of the All Lives Matter crowd. Should we have not fought WW2 because all violence is bad? What about rebelling from the British? Should we have let the South secede? Where does this "all violence is bad" line of thinking take you? WampaLord has issued a correction as of 09:57 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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