Thoatse posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpZJ13xww6Y

tuo posted:

Ban Tophat imo

Sillybones posted:

I'm starting to think this game might not be delivered as promised, guys.

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

To be perfectly honest, I don't see anything wrong with the vending machine cosplay in and of itself-- people have been dressing up as esoteric joke characters/items for cosplay for years and tend to be taken as self aware goofy jokes.

Likewise, the vending machine stonehenge, taken by itself, is pretty amusing-- it's the same sort of tongue in cheek nod to "yes, it's still a video game" that plenty of video games have-- New Vegas springs immediately to mind for obvious reasons, but there's similar random things hidden in any open-world game you could care to mention.

The real problem is that, as mentioned, that's literally all there is to the game. While developers acknowledging the in-jokes and embedding easter eggs based on what the community is doing is common, the higher level's desperate grasp of "did we add any feature at all? what can we put in the teaser trailer? anyone? a new moon with a replace-me texture? oh, bob put a vending machine on the space station, perfect, that vending machine's what our next trailer is about" is extraordinarily telling.

But yeah, my only point is that some of the making GBS threads on stuff for the sole reason of "It's SC doing it" comes off as very "NO FUN ALLOWED", there's plenty of actual stuff to mock without having to stretch for it. Mocking someone with a joke cosplay or the "immersion breaking" nature of a vending machine stonehenge is getting very close to a "legitimate over-immersed citizen complaint" kind of territory.

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The real problem is that, as mentioned, that's literally all there is to the game. While developers acknowledging the in-jokes and embedding easter eggs based on what the community is doing is common, the higher level's desperate grasp of "did we add any feature at all? what can we put in the teaser trailer? anyone? a new moon with a replace-me texture? oh, bob put a vending machine on the space station, perfect, that vending machine's what our next trailer is about" is extraordinarily telling.

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Mocking someone with a joke cosplay or the "immersion breaking" nature of a vending machine stonehenge is getting very close to a "legitimate over-immersed citizen complaint" kind of territory.

Thoatse posted:

Someone should cosplay the Tickler In Black

Scruffpuff posted:

I like this post - let me use it as a springboard to clarify one of my earlier posts:


This is a microcosmic example of one of the most fundamental problems with the development of Star Citizen: the cart-before-the-horse, cargo-cult mentality. Chris Roberts built a multinational studio larger than some dedicated and proven AAA studios before he had a single shipped (or designed) game. He has lore out the rear end, but no game for it to exist within. They're selling hats, shirts, etc. emblazoned with the name and logo of a game that does not exist. The "Big Benny" vending machine is just another example of trying to lend legitimacy to his "franchise" by imitating the traits of existing, successful games, in the form of an "Easter egg" placed in the game before there is a game. It's all part of why this game still isn't out: they imitate the things they see other studios do, without understanding why other studios do them.


I'd like to clarify a fine point here, at least as far as why I'm personally disgusted by this particular cosplay attempt. I don't care if people want to dress up as poo poo. I don't care if some guy goes to a Half-Life convention dressed as Gordon Freeman, or if somebody shows up as the Portal companion cube. Both of those are existing games, released and beloved by fans, and not scamming millions of dollars from the mentally unstable.

The Big Benny cosplay sits uncomfortably with me because it's a laser-focused example of broke-brained thinking. The game does not, nor will it ever, exist. This poor gently caress is going through emotional Stockholm Syndrome with CIG, and he's shackled his identity to the only object in the game that isn't a loving JPEG of a ship. He's not a "fan" because there's nothing to be a fan of. CIG has similarly hamstrung themselves into the same kind of creative cul-de-sac. They're throwing in "nods" to poo poo - a behavior that in an actual game studio is something they do for fun after most of the serious work is completed. The Big Benny machine isn't an Easter egg because there's no game for it to exist as an Easter egg within.

And that's the core issue with CIG: there's a difference between doing and aping. This bizarre cosplay attempt merely throws that into sharper relief.

Virtual Captain posted:

tuo posted:

Free Tophat imo

Tokamak posted:

Sabreseven posted:

Hopefully someone will cosplay as an expensive coffee machine and maybe someone else can be the 1x1 cargo box.

Do they really not see how dumb cosplaying as an inanimate vending machine is? Were their parents refrigerator, cooker or deep fat fryer cosplayers in the sixties or something?

In a world of cosplayers done up to look like incredibly impressive 7ft tall Space Marines, lithe Elven archers, muscular Ork Warlocks, detailed Anime characters, the SC community is represented by some weird berk in a mother loving inanimate cardboard pasta dispensery which ironically does not dispense pasta in game or out, and has no function other than to take up an area of 1m width x 1m depth x 1.5m height and be glitched through the side of a jpeg with varying degrees of success.

I've never really understood cosplay, seems very juvenile and childish to me, but some costumes are incredibly impressive and I admire the work and dedication serious cosplayers have for their craft. I can't honestly see a vending machine being taken seriously at all.

no_recall posted:

Welp.

Fargin Icehole posted:

Whatever happened to "Crawl before you walk"?

Fargin Icehole posted:

Whatever happened to "Crawl before you walk"?

Fargin Icehole posted:

Whatever happened to "Crawl before you walk"?

Scruffpuff posted:

This is a microcosmic example of one of the most fundamental problems with the development of Star Citizen: the cart-before-the-horse, cargo-cult mentality.

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And that's the core issue with CIG: there's a difference between doing and aping. This bizarre cosplay attempt merely throws that into sharper relief.

tuo posted:

"But boss, the specifications say that it'll only hold 190lbs..."

"We are at 260 already, and it's still holding, so what could possibly go wrong?"

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

Yeah, I don't disagree that Roberts is just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks at this point, and it's obvious his ability to manage projects properly is nonexistent. My only concern (and it almost comes entirely down to semantics, at times) that there's a difference between CIG is mockable for doing this poorly and the thing is mockable because CIG is the one doing it, which it seems the thread dances back and forth on the line of. Or occasionally just full bore barrel rolls over until everyone starts yelling PULL UP, but I digress.

The only reason it comes to my mind at all is attempting to maintain at least some level of impartiality; allowing the things they're doing in any way correctly means the criticisms are more difficult to discard out of hand, whereas mocking even the concept of the thing means every other valid criticism is treated like it's on the same low level of "they're just attacking it because it's personal, ignore what they're saying". It's obvious from them pulling G0RF's infographics into the Reddit with no input from us that it's at least possible for some of them to read the evidence as laid out. But, that's just my take and I know that it's shovelling poo poo against the tide in a thread that gets like 5000 posts a week, so.

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

The only reason it comes to my mind at all is attempting to maintain at least some level of impartiality; allowing the things they're doing in any way correctly means the criticisms are more difficult to discard out of hand, whereas mocking even the concept of the thing means every other valid criticism is treated like it's on the same low level of "they're just attacking it because it's personal, ignore what they're saying".

Crazypoops posted:

You've just put an infinite more thought into the criticism of Chris then Chris has ever put into his whole life.

Sappo569 posted:

The problem is crisp crobblers should never have been in a management role to begin with

If he had just been a consultant, I bet there would have been a game to play by now

Hey guys make me a successor to wing commander and make it an open world sim , I'll check in every 6 months from my villa in Monaco to offer some advice on direction

you hired all these supposed experts in their field and you just micro manage the living poo poo out of them. I'm surprised more haven't walked out, no one likes to be micro managed let alone by the likes of a washed up wanna be movie director

Please Chris for the love of god go away for a long time (And never come back)