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Aug 20, 2017 15:05
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Sky Shadowing posted:Of course they're not done with the games. Yeah, I think this right. Mass Effect was too big and successful to kill after one flop. It's being shelved indefinitely, but 5 years from now I wouldn't be surprised if they announced a thing.
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Aug 20, 2017 17:55
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fruit on the bottom posted:Yeah, I think this right. I'd say more like 10-15 years down the line, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the entire franchise just disappeared into the ether like Wing Commander and SimCity and other greats EA swallowed.
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Aug 20, 2017 18:08
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fruit on the bottom posted:Yeah, I think this right. Two flops.
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Aug 20, 2017 19:13
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Cythereal posted:I'd say more like 10-15 years down the line, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the entire franchise just disappeared into the ether like Wing Commander and SimCity and other greats EA swallowed. Ultima. Never forget Ultima. Not the lovely griefing simulator MMO, the game series they drained talent from to make the lovely griefing simulator MMO.
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Aug 20, 2017 19:18
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fruit on the bottom posted:Yeah, I think this right. It seems like Anthem is going to be BIoware's new Sci-Fi franchise. Unless that flops too, but they are more likely to just kill the Bioware name than try to revive Mass Effect.
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Aug 20, 2017 19:22
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:Two flops. ME3 was a commercial and critical success even with the uproar over the endings.
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Aug 20, 2017 19:22
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fruit on the bottom posted:ME3 was a commercial and critical success even with the uproar over the endings. Commercial, yeah I guess. And only because it was a "critical" success due to game press being absolute garbage. The ending uproar killed it and the entire series lmao. You can't call it a critical success at all, unless pure going by preview scores or some poo poo.
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Aug 20, 2017 19:24
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A Buff Gay Dude posted:I'm i wanted to gently caress more aliens
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Aug 20, 2017 19:39
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Kurtofan posted:i wanted to gently caress more aliens I'm glad you can't because thats hosed up imho
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Aug 20, 2017 19:40
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In a perfect world, EA will bring Mass Effect back as a lovely MMO. This time it will surely work.
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Aug 20, 2017 20:29
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Yes but can we gently caress cats in the MMO
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Aug 20, 2017 20:47
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Admiral Ray posted:In a perfect world, EA will bring Mass Effect back as a lovely MMO. This time it will surely work. Can I be a Krogan all the time? An ME3 Krogan preferably? Because I'm fine with that
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Aug 20, 2017 20:48
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Burkion posted:Can I be a Krogan all the time? widespread posted:Yes but can we gently caress cats in the MMO Yes but only as part of the end game content at level 69.
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Aug 20, 2017 20:55
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Game really really bad. Franchise ending level bad. Mac Walters' mission is complete. He Kai Leng-ed it. Great job, Mac! I admire your artistic integrity.
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Aug 20, 2017 21:10
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ashpanash posted:Game really really bad. Franchise ending level bad. Mac Walters smiled as he installed ME:A on his unsuspecting victim's console, then erased it. The victim would never know the game had been there at all, but Mac Walters knew. The console was now, and always would be in a way, his.
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Aug 20, 2017 21:19
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Why did they not go to one of the milky way's satellite galaxies?
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Aug 20, 2017 21:59
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I suppose because once they got there they wouldn't have ME relays to run around with, so they went to Andromeda because their telescopes told them a single cluster was unusually rich with life-sustaining planets.
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Aug 20, 2017 22:01
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Pattonesque posted:I'm never entirely certain how much influence to ascribe to these folks because while there's not that many of them they're so active that they tend to drive a higher percentage of the discourse than you'd think given their numbers It was the sheer volume of that brand of crazies and the flip-side of them that were extremely mad about poo poo like DAI ambassador lady being having "white features" or Cullen not being gay or whatever, that helped bury BW. BSN closing should've been the canary in the coal mine. lovely fans, lovely game, lovely writers all conspired to kill Mass Effect and probably BioWare sooner rather than later. im cute fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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Aug 20, 2017 22:10
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Bioware just needs to burn it to the ground and do something new again. ME was a brand new attempt at a big budget sci-fi RPG, something in insanely short supply back in 2006. DA:O was a labor of love to make the classic WRPG PC games into a modern big budget game. They both succeeded tremendously well, both trilogies are great examples for some of the best of the genre despite all the problems. Some cyberpunk or modern day weirdo magic like Shadowrun where they are creating the IP from the ground up would probably spark a lot of creative fires and generate some good work rather then creepy staff writers coming in and writing the characters like their personal fanfics.
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Aug 20, 2017 22:49
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MmE: Mass May Effect
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Aug 20, 2017 22:50
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pentyne posted:Bioware just needs to burn it to the ground and do something new again. ME was a brand new attempt at a big budget sci-fi RPG, something in insanely short supply back in 2006. DA:O was a labor of love to make the classic WRPG PC games into a modern big budget game. They both succeeded tremendously well, both trilogies are great examples for some of the best of the genre despite all the problems. Some cyberpunk or modern day weirdo magic like Shadowrun where they are creating the IP from the ground up would probably spark a lot of creative fires and generate some good work rather then creepy staff writers coming in and writing the characters like their personal fanfics. "Bioware" as such is no longer a thing. EA is in control.
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Aug 20, 2017 22:50
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I still remember playing Lair of the Shadow Broker in ME2 and thinking "holy crap the rest of the Mass Effect games are gonna be amazzzinggg"
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Aug 20, 2017 22:52
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I just want a Jade Empire 2, dammit.
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Aug 20, 2017 22:55
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I just want a KOTOR 3 that wasn't written by retards like The Old Republic.
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Aug 20, 2017 23:02
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I liked ME3 a lot, especially with the SP DLC. That actually gave me hope for MEA since that had some of the coolest combat areas in the game.
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Aug 20, 2017 23:59
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Cythereal posted:"Bioware" as such is no longer a thing. EA is in control. No glands, replaced by EA. No digestive system, replaced by EA. No soul. Replaced by EA. Whatever they were, gone forever.
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Aug 21, 2017 00:25
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pentyne posted:Bioware just needs to burn it to the ground and do something new again. ME was a brand new attempt at a big budget sci-fi RPG, something in insanely short supply back in 2006. DA:O was a labor of love to make the classic WRPG PC games into a modern big budget game. They both succeeded tremendously well, both trilogies are great examples for some of the best of the genre despite all the problems. Some cyberpunk or modern day weirdo magic like Shadowrun where they are creating the IP from the ground up would probably spark a lot of creative fires and generate some good work rather then creepy staff writers coming in and writing the characters like their personal fanfics. They were doing some kind of urban horror game at some point but it was canned. ME's gone. I don't think DA has that much more staying power. Anthem looks like derivative garbage. im cute posted:It was the sheer volume of that brand of crazies and the flip-side of them that were extremely mad about poo poo like DAI ambassador lady being having "white features" or Cullen not being gay or whatever, that helped bury BW. BSN closing should've been the canary in the coal mine. Yeah. By the end of it, Bioware was catching flak from both sides of the stupid online 'culture war' because they tried to place themselves as a Very Progressive company. Maybe it'll be a lesson to not court either side of that stupid thing in the future but who knows.
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Aug 21, 2017 00:43
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Milky Moor posted:Maybe it'll be a lesson to not court either side of that stupid thing in the future but who knows. The problem is, trying to avoid the culture war just courts another side. There are people who will scream bloody murder if there are gay people in a game, and other people will scream just as loud if there aren't gay people in a game. There is no winning option with fans. As it stands, Bioware is one of the very, very few big names in gaming who routinely do let protagonists be women and be queer. I'd hate for Bioware to back off on that.
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Aug 21, 2017 00:46
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Bioware could get away with seeming progressive earlier in the decade when the bar was letting your dude gently caress other dudes but it never really moved beyond cheap thrills, meanwhile many games that actually addressed social issues in a genuine way revealed just how shallow their understanding of them was. Krem was a good character at least.
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Aug 21, 2017 00:48
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exquisite tea posted:Bioware could get away with seeming progressive earlier in the decade when the bar was letting your dude gently caress other dudes but it never really moved beyond cheap thrills, meanwhile many games that actually addressed social issues in a genuine way revealed just how shallow their understanding of them was. Krem was a good character at least. And yet most companies still don't clear that bar. Or let you play as a woman. For all their faults, Bioware is still one of the exceedingly few non-indie outfits that gives you those options.
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Aug 21, 2017 00:56
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Cythereal posted:The problem is, trying to avoid the culture war just courts another side. There are people who will scream bloody murder if there are gay people in a game, and other people will scream just as loud if there aren't gay people in a game. There is no winning option with fans. You get flack no matter what, but in my experience you tend to get more if you brag about your affiliation. If you just have something, (let's say you have, I dunno, one of your squadmates casually mention her wife is going to kill her if she's late, or your commanding officer has a Rosary) then people on the side that likes it, assuming you don't blatantly gently caress things up, tend to go "hey, neat, the dev gives a poo poo about people like me/ things I care about", and the people who don't like it mostly roll their eyes and move on. You still get assholes who get loud and angry about it, but you're also likely (again, assuming you don't gently caress it up) to get people making pleasantly surprised noises about how you handled things, or that it's nice to see people trying. Once you make a point of Being On A Side, people ON that side hold you to a standard, and often (since this is the internet) an absurd one, where the slightest deviation from the approved forms means you're a heretic, while the people opposed to that side will treat you as an enemy from the jump. And when you make something bad enough to be a free target anyway... well. That's blood in the water. It's like anything else. People judge you by the standards you set as well as the standards they hold. And the greater the heights you claim to aspire to, the easier it is to tear you down.
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Aug 21, 2017 01:12
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I'm probably too moderate to be relevant on ~minority ethics in videogames~ but I think just doing homework on your "subject" would prevent hilarious backfires like with Andromedas transgender character. I can't help but feel most videogames devs are in 99% middle-upper class suburbia.
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Aug 21, 2017 01:34
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exquisite tea posted:Bioware could get away with seeming progressive earlier in the decade when the bar was letting your dude gently caress other dudes but it never really moved beyond cheap thrills, meanwhile many games that actually addressed social issues in a genuine way revealed just how shallow their understanding of them was. Krem was a good character at least. For every character at the level of Arcade Gannon, we have a dozen instances of Muscle March.
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Aug 21, 2017 01:45
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exquisite tea posted:Bioware could get away with seeming progressive earlier in the decade when the bar was letting your dude gently caress other dudes but it never really moved beyond cheap thrills, meanwhile many games that actually addressed social issues in a genuine way revealed just how shallow their understanding of them was. Krem was a good character at least. People say this, but Krem was less a character than a PSA
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Aug 21, 2017 01:51
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:People say this, but Krem was less a character than a PSA This is always funny when it comes up because Bull only reprimands you if you continue to insist Krem's a girl.
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Aug 21, 2017 02:03
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exquisite tea posted:This is always funny when it comes up because Bull only reprimands you if you continue to insist Krem's a girl. Also, Krem is on screen for about ten seconds.
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Aug 21, 2017 02:14
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Not if you don't kill the Chargers, which you would be a monster for doing.
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Aug 21, 2017 02:19
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Cythereal posted:Also, Krem is on screen for about ten seconds. Exactly. That dialogue is the only substantial interaction with Krem in the game Edit: though I did kill the Chargers, not sorry about it
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Aug 21, 2017 02:20
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exquisite tea posted:Bioware could get away with seeming progressive earlier in the decade when the bar was letting your dude gently caress other dudes but it never really moved beyond cheap thrills, meanwhile many games that actually addressed social issues in a genuine way revealed just how shallow their understanding of them was. Krem was a good character at least. i don't know if i like the narrative that bioware was only pretend-progressive earlier in their company history because all they had to do was be mildly inclusive to stay ahead of the curve - they courted controversy and boycott with what little they did do ~10 years ago and they did find it to an extent; the company as a whole did bear some risk for attaching otherwise sound games that would've safely sold well regardless to the sort of content that potentially stirs up the WASP nests when they could've safely avoided that all together apparently choosing to remain similarly progressive in 2017, like still ahead of the curve in an era when it's now pretty safe to just stick to their tried-and-true bread-and-butter ss romances and non-hetero characters, is a thing they continue to bear risks for both when they succeed along their minimal terms (krem) since it still stirs up people who complain about sjws & tumblr or whatever, and when they fail along their terms (hainly) since that seems to offend both the tumblr crowd, for the gall of having a bad depiction, and the anti-tumblr crowd, for 'selling out' by having any depiction at all i'm sure bioware's understanding of the issues could stand improvement so they can succeed instead of fail at these things but i also wouldn't say that their progressiveness is an illusion or some kind of marketing trick
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Aug 21, 2017 02:21
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