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Cat Mattress posted:Rich people travel by plane; poor people travel by train. I got some new information yesterday, so I'll have to look at this in a new light. The figure of 3,500 is actually a number of passengers to some of our islands that by law require such a connection to the mainland. Apparently a recent analysis says that a functioning modern airport (equipped with ILS) (especially if there is no fast connection between Riga and Tallinn, which is at least 10 years away) would bring in more money by bringing Finnish, Swedish and other foreign tourists to the town, as it briefly did in 2013 until it got closed. The state said back then that EU does not permit state aid to airports no matter how small, but that was changed this year. Airports with less than 3,000,000 passengers per year now qualify for financial aid by the state. So there is a choice between investing 20 million that will eventually repay itself and also creates jobs vs 17 million to fix up a railroad to take the people to their villages of mostly <500 people, with the cost of one journey 49€, but the tickets now cost 10€ and these passengers are nowhere near as profitable as tourists. The poor people can take the bus.
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Cat Mattress posted:Rich people travel by plane; poor people travel by train. Uh maybe in the 60's, airflights are cheaper than trains in many cases now. The economics of anything but low distance high use commuter lines is incredibly lovely, which is why trains consistently require subsidies while airlines are generally profitable around the world even as the price of a ticket has plummeted in the last couple decades. tsa fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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So uh is Belarus about to be invaded? https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/898937571375558656
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Lightning Lord posted:So uh is Belarus about to be invaded? Could this bi-annual exercise that NATO are fully aware of be a start of an open military invasion? We just don't know, I guess.
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Paladinus posted:Could this bi-annual exercise that NATO are fully aware of be a start of an open military invasion? We just don't know, I guess. Anyone in Belarus' government accused of being a Nazi?
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Paladinus posted:Could this bi-annual exercise that NATO are fully aware of be a start of an open military invasion? We just don't know, I guess. I don't know dude. It makes perfect sense that Russia would destabilize its only steadfast European ally for no reason. American media is absolutely batshit about Russia it his hysterical. When I was in Petersburg there were the den' russii protests and CNN was portraying them like massive riots on the streets of Petrograd. In reality most people there were just watching the loving parade and couldn't give 2 shits about politics.
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tsa posted:Uh maybe in the 60's, airflights are cheaper than trains in many cases now. The economics of anything but low distance high use commuter lines is incredibly lovely, which is why trains consistently require subsidies while airlines are generally profitable around the world even as the price of a ticket has plummeted in the last couple decades. lol if you think airlines don't get subsidies
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Lightning Lord posted:So uh is Belarus about to be invaded? Belarus is a close Russian ally. In the past they use the military exercises with Belarus as an excuse to move troops and invade someone.
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rear end struggle posted:American media is absolutely batshit about Russia it his hysterical.
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Just because we're paranoid, doesn't mean Russia isn't about to invade!
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rear end struggle posted:I don't know dude. It makes perfect sense that Russia would destabilize its only steadfast European ally for no reason. Rip slavatuvs, got his spirit broken in the gulag.
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It's West-2017, joint military exercises for Belarus and Russia. Happens fairly regularly. Polish and Baltic press usually publish fun stories about how the Russians and Belarusians are practicing invading or launching nuclear war. Mostly dick-waving at NATO, and then NATO will wave their dicks back. https://www.obozrevatel.com/abroad/ucheniya-kremlya-v-belarusi-v-seti-ukazali-na-trevozhnyij-moment.htm HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:It's West-2017, joint military exercises for Belarus and Russia. Happens fairly regularly. Polish and Baltic press usually publish fun stories about how the Russians and Belarusians are practicing invading or launching nuclear war. Mostly dick-waving at NATO, and then NATO will wave their dicks back. And of course you'll find similar stories about dastardly NATO in Russian press any time there is an exercise east of Berlin
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Volkerball posted:Rip slavatuvs, got his spirit broken in the gulag. Just the opposite, VB. The spirit of the average Russian is so broken they make 1919 Berlin look like a jubilee. They aren't a threat to your neo-con world order.
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rear end struggle posted:Just the opposite, VB. The spirit of the average Russian is so broken they make 1919 Berlin look like a jubilee. They aren't a threat to your neo-con world order. Except for loving with (or trying very hard to gently caress with) our elections, you mean.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Except for loving with (or trying very hard to gently caress with) our elections, you mean. I have some bad news for you. Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate that libs convinced themselves was good. not because of the scary slav ass struggle fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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rear end struggle posted:I have some bad news for you. Did you know multiple things can happen at once?
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khwarezm posted:Did you know multiple things can happen at once? Don't blame Russia for your decision to elect demented fat hitler. ass struggle fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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rear end struggle posted:Don't blame Russia for your decision to elected demented fat hitler. I didn't elect anybody, I don't even think that Russian interference greatly affected the outcome of the election, but it still bloody happened and such a precedent is real bad.
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rear end struggle posted:Just the opposite, VB. The spirit of the average Russian is so broken they make 1919 Berlin look like a jubilee. They aren't a threat to your neo-con world order. I'm sure this will come as a great relief to the Ukrainian and Syrian people.
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The actual elections the Russians influence are pretty much every election in Europe.
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Russians may invade you or fund far right extremists or meddle in your elections, but they'll be like really sad and cynical while they do it.
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I'm glad rear end struggle has found his way here after making GBS threads up the Middle East thread.
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Dodoman posted:I'm glad rear end struggle has found his way here after making GBS threads up the Middle East thread. He just returned from Russia where he used a parachute account to post on SA to avoid KGB or something.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:He just returned from Russia where he used a parachute account to post on SA to avoid KGB or something. I posted on SA from Russia and never got KGBed so
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I don't know. I assumed the FSB has at least the capability of the American Secret Service when it comes to reading online forums. I doubt they'd actually care about a foreign national saying "death to the troops" but who knows. And on to the main point. Russia invading ANYONE is a complete hype game, if it was anywhere, it would be an expansion in Ukraine. Until Putin dies in 15-20 years and there is a civil war between oligarchs that is.
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rear end struggle posted:I don't know. I assumed the FSB has at least the capability of the American Secret Service when it comes to reading online forums. I doubt they'd actually care about a foreign national saying "death to the troops" but who knows. They already invaded Ukraine and already annexed territory from it. This was after they invaded Georgia and annexed territory by proxy a few times. Are you saying they can't do the same thing to anyone else? Warbadger fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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Warbadger posted:They already invaded Ukraine and already annexed territory from it. This was after they actually invaded Georgia and annexed territory from it by proxy a few times. Are you saying they can't do the same thing to anyone else? why would they?
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rear end struggle posted:why would they? Because they want the things and places their neighbors have and it plays well to the ethno-nationalists who the current Russian government is pandering to? Why do you suppose they invaded Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine? Warbadger fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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Plus there's the home propaganda angle - as long as you're in (oh-so-righteous) war, people are less likely to complain about the lovely situation in the country. Need to keep the supply of public enemies fresh.
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I was under the impression that the Belarusians were worried that Russia was going to decide they'd be more valuable inside Russia than as an ally, so if that's not correct please ignore me.
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If they were gearing up for more serious military action against the west they would probably take Belarus if only not to have to deal with Batka in a war situation, but they're obviously not at this point and Putin is currently under no threat domestically so there's zero reasons to annex Belarus right now.
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Back when I played chess in high school everybody called pawns "little dicks" (pinďour)
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steinrokkan posted:Back when I played chess in high school everybody called pawns "little dicks" (pinďour)
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 Russia awfulness digest - https://meduza.io/en/feature/2017/08/20/russian-national-tv-ignored-a-domestic-attack-on-pedestrians-this-saturday-claimed-by-isis quote:Terrorist violence in Catalonia dominated news headlines around the world this weekend, but another attack on Saturday, August 19, occurred in the Russian city of Surgut, where a man non-fatally stabbed seven pedestrians before being shot and killed by police. The “Islamic State” later claimed responsibility for the incident, though Russian law enforcement are not investigating the stabbings as an act of terrorism. Surprisingly, Russian national news networks nearly ignored the attack in Surgut. Russian media loooves to gloat about every terrorist (alleged or real) attack in Europe and alarm viewers about Islamic/refugee "menace", but carefully ignores a situation where they can sweep a lone wolf attack under the rug and avoid tensions inside Russia. Confusion resulted in Emmanuel Macron offering condolences through twitter while Putin was telling kids in Crimea about the dangers of prostitutes and Franz Schubert's death from syphilis. - https://twitter.com/mashant/status/899633445684510721 Interesting investigation from Fontanka newspaper that connects Wagner PMC operating in Syria with Evgeniy Prigozhin, "Putin's Chef" who has numerous Defense Ministry contracts and is generally agreed to be the man behind Russian "troll factories". Maybe Brown Moses has some details on that in English. Curiously, Fontanka is not really a liberal or opposition newspaper, so that infodump may point to someone in Kremlin being unhappy with Prigozhin's business and his merceneraries' perfomance in Syria. - http://tass.com/society/961328 quote:MOSCOW, August 22. /TASS/. Investigators have detained stage director Kirill Serebrennikov on the suspicion of masterminding 68-million-ruble ($1 million) fraud, Investigative Committee spokeswoman Svetlana Petrenko said." The IC special investigations department has detained the artistic director of the Moscow theater Gogol-Center Kirill Serebrennikov. He is suspected of masterminding the embezzlement of no less than 68 million rubles disbursed for the project Platform," she said. Being an artist in Russia remains a dangerous occupation! Serebrinnikov is easily the most famous modern Russian theater director and one of the Russian movie directors recognized abroad (at least in festival and arthouse circles), so it is a big deal. fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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Giving minimum media attention to terrorist attacks is a good and effective way of combatting it. Wish the Western media followed suit instead of plastering the faces of "martyrs" all over the news.
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pigdog posted:Giving minimum media attention to terrorist attacks is a good and effective way of combatting it. Wish the Western media followed suit instead of plastering the faces of "martyrs" all over the news. Yes! But I would like Russia to follow that approach in all coverage, not just when they can afford it. St. Petersburg attack earlier this year almost resulted in a witch hunt for a bearded dude in muslim clothing who was unrelated to the bombing - yet media happily distributed his photo for the whole day.
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There's a difference between using lack of media coverage to combat terrorism and using it to pretend it's something that only happens to the morally corrupt and decadent enemy.
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LifeNews is apparently dead: https://meduza.io/en/news/2017/08/18/pro-kremlin-tabloid-tv-network-is-reportedly-shutting-down-and-laying-off-all-staff It will be sorely missed.
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anatoliy pltkrvkay posted:LifeNews is apparently dead: https://meduza.io/en/news/2017/08/18/pro-kremlin-tabloid-tv-network-is-reportedly-shutting-down-and-laying-off-all-staff Rest in piss, LifeNews.
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