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I'm not in the military but what makes that hole bad? Water line? I think you guys have talked about how ships just don't need armor like in WW2 anymore but still blows me away how they crumple like a napkin when something happens. Like the Cole.. That was a big loving hole.
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had a friend ask what was gonna happen to these guys same thing as the last ship but a few more people are gonna be in trouble also every ship is gonna get a webcam or something else stupid in the bridge, I dunno, oh yah a lot of investigation to see if this is a fleet wide problem, blame game, then safety stand down for one day
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Aug 21, 2017 03:56
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Who the gently caress thought it was a good idea to send anything named McCain back to South East Asia?
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Blind Rasputin posted:I'm not in the military but what makes that hole bad? Water line? I think you guys have talked about how ships just don't need armor like in WW2 anymore but still blows me away how they crumple like a napkin when something happens. Like the Cole.. That was a big loving hole. being below the water line is bad, yah, you have to constantly pump water out if you can't plug the hole you can only pump so much water and at a certain point, you begin to drift or sink metal deformation is just how metal reacts under pressure and large ships have a large momentum
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Aug 21, 2017 04:02
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JSM was FDNF for years but I believe they're san diego based now. They were likely either coming or returning from the gulf. Little bit different than the fitz situation, but still bad.
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Blind Rasputin posted:I'm not in the military but what makes that hole bad? Water line? I think you guys have talked about how ships just don't need armor like in WW2 anymore but still blows me away how they crumple like a napkin when something happens. Like the Cole.. That was a big loving hole. They got nailed pretty good by a 30000 ton tanker, I don't think that any warship ever floated could just shrug that off.
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Aug 21, 2017 04:17
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Not to get all  but the BBC had a story about the Russians spoofing GPS in the Black Sea.http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05cgy61
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Blind Rasputin posted:I'm not in the military but what makes that hole bad? Water line? I think you guys have talked about how ships just don't need armor like in WW2 anymore but still blows me away how they crumple like a napkin when something happens. Like the Cole.. That was a big loving hole. Yeah she's holed at and certainly below. That means a lot of water coming in. Hopefully that area can be sealed off with nothing critically important inside, otherwise she's drifting. Can anyone answer without getting into OPSEC territory whether warships have an emergency generator located above the waterline as commercial ships are required to have? Third World Reggin posted:had a friend ask what was gonna happen to these guys Hard to say. Given the location of that hole it looks more like they were hit, but without having been there it's all just speculation. It's a loving bad day for a lot of people regardless.
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Two Finger posted:Yeah she's holed at and certainly below. That means a lot of water coming in. Hopefully that area can be sealed off with nothing critically important inside, otherwise she's drifting. Can anyone answer without getting into OPSEC territory whether warships have an emergency generator located above the waterline as commercial ships are required to have? No, they are not required to have a generator above the waterline. Warships will have 3 to 6+ generators depending on class, distributed throughout the ship to prevent loss of power if one section is hit.
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Aug 21, 2017 05:26
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Out of the 10 I wonder if any of them are stuck in a section they haven't been able to clear to yet or if they think all 10 are in the water.
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Were they transiting into or out of Singapore? As far as the 10 missing, it could be they were swept out of one of the berthings/engineering spaces, or that they went over a deck rail, lots of dudes topside during evolutions like this.
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I believe they were headed into Singapore, though I'm not sure. According to tracking on the internet the tanker they hit was transiting from Taiwan to Singapore. I'm not a DDG sailor, but talking to folks that are there are overflow berthings in that area. We may be looking at another FITZGERALD situation. 
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Aug 21, 2017 06:24
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Handsome Ralph posted:Not to get all The industrial control systems (ICS) that control practically every part of commercial shipping vessels (especially navigation) are extremely vulnerable to hacking / spoofing / outright destruction. It's definitely not out of the realm of possibility.
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ManMythLegend posted:I believe they were headed into Singapore, though I'm not sure. According to tracking on the internet the tanker they hit was transiting from Taiwan to Singapore. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHuSgs2VYAArtZM.jpg:large This is a chart some Malaysian brass tweeted. https://www.vesselfinder.com/ Looks like it was about here (23 45N 104 20E if the tracker doesn't auto zoom you where I was looking). LordNad fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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LordNad posted:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHuSgs2VYAArtZM.jpg:large This is a chart some Singaporean brass tweeted. Yeah, that's the approaches to the Singapore Strait. (Also that's the Malaysian CNO, not Singaporean.)
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ManMythLegend posted:Yeah, that's the approaches to the Singapore Strait. (Also that's the Malaysian CNO, not Singaporean.) Fixed thank you
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Bannon looks accurate and has the Thor's Hammer tattoo on his shoulder to symbolize his white supremacist beliefs.
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Do these gently caress ups have to do with op tempo or some kind of systemic training or cultural issue? I have a limited amount of in insight into the navy but, I was Army back in 05 so I saw mistakes happening due to year on year off deployment cycles with jrtc thrown in. Also I just got home from my honeymoon. I'm not sure if it's my membership to Iraq Veterans Against the War back before they got weird, or posting in this sub-forum, but I haven't been able to take a trip without being "randomly selected" for additional screening atleast once. For reference I am a white guy.
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Bored As gently caress posted:The industrial control systems (ICS) that control practically every part of commercial shipping vessels (especially navigation) are extremely vulnerable to hacking / spoofing / outright destruction. It's definitely not out of the realm of possibility. Wouldn't that be an act of war or something?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...m=.e2d6bf99ea7f Washington post article from yesterday profiling six alt right members. Tldr: their lives sucked and the alt right gave them a sense of belonging and a way to blame others for their problems. I'll highlight one who has aspergers and two who have been to jail. Another one complains that his local Walmart was all black workers and whites people can't get jobs.
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Bored As gently caress posted:The industrial control systems (ICS) that control practically every part of commercial shipping vessels (especially navigation) are extremely vulnerable to hacking / spoofing / outright destruction. It's definitely not out of the realm of possibility. Those systems are far from integrated, and there are still humans in the loop. Even if everything on the bridge hosed up, people are yet to figure out a way to hack windows, and the guy on watch should have seen the destroyer and turned. The Speed 2: Cruise Control scenario is still science fiction, and that movie had plot holes big enough to sail a ship through. The vast, vast majority of the fluff in articles about GPS or AIS spoofing bing used to hijack cargo ship is sensationalist bullshit.
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FastestGunAlive posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...m=.e2d6bf99ea7f Hmmm, how odd that it seems to mimic the way ISIS recruited young men. 
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ManMythLegend posted:Hmmm, how odd that it seems to mimic the way ISIS recruited young men. Well you see it is actually the liberals who are Isis because tearing down traitor statues erected years after a war by groups attempting to push a false narrative is the same as destroying ancient history. Stop trying to rewrite history to reflect what actually happened, snowflakes!
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FastestGunAlive posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...m=.e2d6bf99ea7f What I'm taking away from this is we basically had our next crop of McVeighs all in one place last weekend.
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What's shocking is how easily the GOP get's a pass for basically both stirring up these assholes for 8 years and then acting shocked that they are as racist and bigoted as they encouraged them to be all during Obama's administration.
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Sergg posted:Bannon looks accurate and has the Thor's Hammer tattoo on his shoulder to symbolize his white supremacist beliefs. Wait, what? I got a mjolnir, but it was because my undergrad was in viking history and a bunch of us were dicking around Denmark. Is it a white power thing?
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Most Norse symbols have been co-opted by the neo-nazi movement, yeah.
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white supremacists ruin everything
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psydude posted:What I'm taking away from this is we basically had our next crop of McVeighs all in one place last weekend. If you want a real mindfuck watch the 'Oklahoma City' documentary on Netflix. It goes through Ruby Ridge and Waco and the related protests before, during and after. It's uh... discouraging to watch and feel like the exact same things are happening right now with a lot of the same people (or their direct descendants) involved.
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Slightly off topic: Remember the guy who sunk his home-made submarine with that female reporter? He's up and admitted he buried her at sea. Then 'accidentally' sunk the submarine. Yeah, he's toast. http://www.mynewsdesk.com/dk/koebenhavns-politi/pressreleases/ulykke-ombord-paa-ubaaden-2114877
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Smiling Jack posted:white supremacists ruin everything Norway has this camp for adults where you learn about the Vikings and do non-violent viking stuff like build longboats, craft things, etc. They apparently have to go out of their way to make sure white supremacists don't show up to ruin it.
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FrozenVent posted:Most Norse symbols have been co-opted by the neo-nazi movement, yeah. They even co-oped the Vineland flag from Type O Negative. The ADL page even mentions you should be careful as they may just be Type O fans.
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ManMythLegend posted:Hmmm, how odd that it seems to mimic the way ISIS recruited young men. ...but you see Charlottesville wasn't terrorism because reasons. It is only terrorism when someone who fails the paper bag test gets in a vehicle and drives through a crowd of people. That's obviously an ISIS plot to overthrow the world install sharia and if any of them drat mooslims tell you different it's taco-ya.
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CommieGIR posted:What's shocking is how easily the GOP get's a pass for basically both stirring up these assholes for 8 years and then acting shocked that they are as racist and bigoted as they encouraged them to be all during Obama's administration. I agree with you but I feel like the shock is half hearted. We saw a lot of strong condemnation from republicans after Charlottesville but in my opinion it was just lip service.
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