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Gortarius posted:Would he please just go and get himself a job or a hobby. At the very least do your lovely protest on a later date, the loving blood is barely cold yet and this clown is there to capitalize on it, and don't travel all the way to Turku, to the very market where all this happened, and then tell the people what happened there. To the people who live there. As if they wouldn't loving know. Dude's a goddamn vulture, of course he wouldn't stay away. Gortarius posted:I'm kinda curious if there is any counterpart to him on the other side of the spectrum, in the Ei Rasismille sort of crowd. While there are always at least some assholes of every political stripe and colour, I'm not aware of anybody in the anti-racist camp who's outright ghoulish like Marco's bunch.
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Myös toinen paikallinen ravintolatyöntekijä kertoo tunnistaneensa pääepäillyn alueella liikkuneeksi ja ravintolassa käyneeksi mieheksi. Hänen mukaansa mies poltti tupakkaa, eikä näyttänyt viettävän aikaa puhelimen parissa. – Hän käveli aina yksin, ja oli todella rauhallinen. Se oli se, mikä oli pelottavaa.
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Aug 19, 2017 19:54
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Gortarius posted:Apparently the guy was some kid from Marokko, who had been through some refugee program or whatever, but afaik Marokko isn't at war with anyone, and is fairly stable? So what is this guy a refugee from? Or is this a case of some ISIS lover coming over among the legit refugees from Syria or some other war torn hellhole? Political jihadism has deep roots in Muslim countries, basically acting like skinheads of the Muslim world, worried about purity this and Jews that. You know how some people gravitate to fascist circles? Basically the same thing. As to why he was a refugee in the first place, that is something we'll have to wait for answers.
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Aug 19, 2017 22:51
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I'm not suprised when they announce that the suspect didn't have any meaningful connection to terrorist cells and instead acted out in a moment of acute mental disorder caused by depression and whatever. Finland is depressing as gently caress
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Aug 20, 2017 08:07
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WaltherFeng posted:I'm not suprised when they announce that the suspect didn't have any meaningful connection to terrorist cells and instead acted out in a moment of acute mental disorder caused by depression and whatever. When people talk about assimilationist immigration policies like France, well uh, this was a pretty good case of assimilation then.
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WaltherFeng posted:I'm not suprised when they announce that the suspect didn't have any meaningful connection to terrorist cells and instead acted out in a moment of acute mental disorder caused by depression and whatever. Nimim. Koskaan en oo Seinäjoelta poistunu
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Darkest Auer posted:Nimim. Koskaan en oo Seinäjoelta poistunu  en 
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Aug 20, 2017 09:03
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WaltherFeng posted:I'm not suprised when they announce that the suspect didn't have any meaningful connection to terrorist cells and instead acted out in a moment of acute mental disorder caused by depression and whatever. quote:Olisin valmis lähtemään takaisin kotiin jo huomenna. En tiedä miten minun Irakissa käy, mutta täällä minä kuolen henkisesti
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Aug 20, 2017 09:25
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Huolimatta siitä mitä lähiöpeikot pelkää, lähi-idästä tulleiden ihmisten on varmasti tosi vaikea löytää naisia, mikä varmasti johtaa turhautumiseen ja katkeroitumiseen ja joissain harvinaisissa tilanteissa, joissa henkilöllä on jo valmiiksi mielenterveysongelmia, tilanne saattaa laueta näin. En tiedä eikä nyt niin kamalasti kiinnosta tämän nimenomaisen tapauksen taustat, mutta ottaen huomioon, että jenkeissäkin eräs henkilö todistettavasti näillä motiiveilla tappoi summamutikassa vähän väkeä, on vain oletettavaa, että huonolla tuurilla niin voi käydä ihmiselle, joka ei pääse toteuttamaan lajityypillistä toimintaa.
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It feels like the typical Finnish thing to happen that people are ready to proclaim this as the first terror attack on the country but nope this is politically the least offensive nation on earth But then again we have Sweden so i dunno WaltherFeng fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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Aug 20, 2017 10:36
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Aug 20, 2017 11:29
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There's an internet address to Donald Trump.quote:PLEA OF THE FINNISH PEOPLE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DONALD J. TRUMP CONCERNING FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND POLITICAL MANHUNT OF THE FAMOUS FINNISH JOURNALIST ILJA JANITSKIN
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Probably not gonna help their case by comparing Janitskin to a black person. EDIT: Besides that, the passion that the far right has for defending the people who are grifting them never ceases to amaze me. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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Aug 20, 2017 12:57
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Nice ploy from Supo to trick all the free thinking anti-sheeple to post their names and addresses.
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Aug 20, 2017 20:50
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In typical fashion, the prime minister is urging parties to vote to amend the constitution in a quick schedule so it is compatible with the proposed surveillance bill in the works. This despite Supo getting tips of the terrorist in advance. How exactly would extended powers have stopped him anyway?
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Aug 21, 2017 10:40
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This is something like the third or fourth time in a row when the cops have been notified of someone being dangerous beforehand but the cops simply didn't do jack poo poo about it. We should save some money and get rid of the cops since they don't seem to be doing much of any value.
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Aug 21, 2017 11:25
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Yeah, literally every time this poo poo happens it turns out that somebody in the community had called the cops about the perp, and the cops either didn't have the resources or the will to follow up on it. If the government funded proper community outreach we'd catch nearly all islamic terrorists, but can't do that because that'd mean spending more government money so instead we'll just push for draconian surveillance laws and also marginalize the muslim community even more because we gotta court that racist vote, which surely will do wonders for both radicalization and the willingness for people in said community to call the cops.
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Aug 21, 2017 11:35
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Kemper Boyd posted:This is something like the third or fourth time in a row when the cops have been notified of someone being dangerous beforehand but the cops simply didn't do jack poo poo about it. There was a piece on yle that said that the cops have got like a thousand notifications about possibly dangerous dudes in a couple of years. Not all of them can be priority targets for surveillance and you can't just throw them all into gulags based on hearsay, so what are the cops supposed to do about it?
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Aug 21, 2017 11:44
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He didn't build a bomb, release manifesto on twitter, plan a driving route through some kävelykadut on Google Maps or you know, anything. He just went and stabbed some people, you could shove mics up everyone's asses and they likely wouldn't have done poo poo. Same with police, what we know about him sounds that he just stewed in his own depression until he snapped. Unless you want to start arresting brown people for being religious, you run into the problem that even if police had had enough resources to investigate, they probably wouldn't have found anything that could have prevented this.
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Aug 21, 2017 12:10
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Yeah, the other factor at play here is that we maybe shouldn't have treated all them refugees like some kind of invading vermin so as to not turn a lot of them into depressed wrecks susceptible to radicalization, but nope, gotta appease them racists.
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Onko tää se kuuluisa 'melting pot'?
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brakeless posted:There was a piece on yle that said that the cops have got like a thousand notifications about possibly dangerous dudes in a couple of years. Not all of them can be priority targets for surveillance and you can't just throw them all into gulags based on hearsay, so what are the cops supposed to do about it? Increase the amount of crap they gotta sift through by expanding surveillance.
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brakeless posted:so what are the cops supposed to do about it? Probably something else than "nothing at all" which they did in the cases of the guy who shot a cop at Hyvinkää, the dude who shot three women at random in Imatra, the dude who ran over random people in Helsinki and this case. If they don't act on the basis of information they get, what sort of reason do we even have for keeping cops around?
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This all seems much more like a case for more analytics and better guidelines when it comes to tips from the public, but that's much harder to sell to the public than "spy on everyone
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https://www.ps-nuoret.fi/kannanotot/suojeluskunnat-suomea-turvaamaan/quote:Suojeluskunnat Suomea turvaamaan  These roving bands of patriotic reservists protecting our nordic homeland against the criminal foreign hordes could use a catchy name, something evoking both a sense of history and martial glory...
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Kemper Boyd posted:Probably something else than "nothing at all" which they did in the cases of the guy who shot a cop at Hyvinkää, the dude who shot three women at random in Imatra, the dude who ran over random people in Helsinki and this case. If they don't act on the basis of information they get, what sort of reason do we even have for keeping cops around? Are you intimately familiar with the information that police possibly recieved before those cases? I'm not, and I'm willing to say "bad cops" if there was clear, actionable evidence in there about an immediate intention to do crimes that was neglected. When it comes to the Turku stabber, the information was something like "this dude might find radical islamist ideology appealing". Unless you expect the cops to go all Minority report, there's nothing they can do that isn't either illegal or a gross waste of limited resources. If there's nothing else to go by than "might do something bad at some point" then you just have to accept that there's nothing to be done besides attaching a 24/7 surveillance team on thousands of people.
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Maybe the new volunteer Suojeluskuntalaiset can be used for the 24/7 monitoring of potentially dangerous foreigners?
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doverhog posted:Maybe the new volunteer Suojeluskuntalaiset can be used for the 24/7 monitoring of potentially dangerous foreigners? Maybe the members of the various Suojeluskunnat can be used to monitor potentially dangerous individuals, like members of the various Suojeluskunnat.
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https://twitter.com/Dimmu141/status/899348085788291072 Halla-aho knows his audience and the news media they read. #fakenews No. 1 Callie Fan fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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Herman Merman posted:https://www.ps-nuoret.fi/kannanotot/suojeluskunnat-suomea-turvaamaan/ LMAO are they just trolling everyone who calls them Nazis now or are they really this loving stupid  I mean even for a political youth organization, Jesus ChristRexroom posted:https://twitter.com/Dimmu141/status/899348085788291072 And party leader quoting MV-lehti. But you know ääripäät and all that 
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YLE seems to have been taken over by doctor Goebbels/Halla-aho, tooquote:Kuolonuhreja vaatineet terrori-iskut elokuu 2015 – elokuu 2017
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quote:Härköseen itseensä kohdistuneet uhkaukset ovat toistaiseksi olleet melko lieviä. Härkönen silti ymmärtää poliisin halun selvittää asiaa. ??? Or is everyone who voted for Hitler-aho a rapist in general?
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throw to first drat IT posted:??? We have to assume that they are. Better safe than sorry, y'know?
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brakeless posted:There was a piece on yle that said that the cops have got like a thousand notifications about possibly dangerous dudes in a couple of years. Not all of them can be priority targets for surveillance and you can't just throw them all into gulags based on hearsay, so what are the cops supposed to do about it? We should pass surveillance legislation so they have even more information to sift through! 
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Rexroom posted:https://twitter.com/Dimmu141/status/899348085788291072 löl "kahden tunnin ajomatkan päässä". Vittu jee olit asutetussa Suomessa puukotuksen aikaan, tässä sulle ekan luokan rautaristi nokkosenlehdillä.
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brakeless posted:Are you intimately familiar with the information that police possibly recieved before those cases? I'm not, and I'm willing to say "bad cops" if there was clear, actionable evidence in there about an immediate intention to do crimes that was neglected In the case of the Jaguar man, he had made threats against people, had a past criminal records and yet the dude who reported him for threats got told that the police can't do anything. Which is a lie. Also, the police don't need actionable evidence for all actions they can take. Their legal mandate when it comes to prevention of crime is rather broad.
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There's a fun Finland-Swedish scandal brewing, Kepus leading (only?) Swedish-speaking member, Peter Albäck, called a woman a oval office in an facebook message after a debate over immigration. Centre's response has been a pretty impressive and overwhelming "What can you do?  "Keep it classy Centre.  https://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2017/08/21/centerpolitiker-krankte-kvinnor-i-debatt-partiledningen-tar-avstand The guy has a most impressive wikipedia page. https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Alb%C3%A4ck quote:Syksyllä 2008 mediatalo HSS Media sulki Albäckin kaksi blogia.[2] Toisessa blogissaan Albäck esiintyi salanimellä 27-vuotiaana oikeustieteen opiskelijana, joka kirjoitti positiiviseen sävyyn Albäckin ajamasta politiikasta.[3] HSS Median mukaan Albäck esitti blogissaan "yksityishenkilöitä koskevia lain vastaisia lausuntoja".[4] This has been your semi-annual dispatch from the pampas.
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