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I love the way the FBI is portrayed in Twin Peaks: hyper-competent with supernatural nightmares, but totally out of their depth calling in the right Douglas and Jane Jones.
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Origami Dali posted:i hope the electric shock makes dougie twice as slow yes hello me too.
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oneforthevine posted:I love the way the FBI is portrayed in Twin Peaks: hyper-competent with supernatural nightmares, but totally out of their depth calling in the right Douglas and Jane Jones. Hey, don't hate on all of them just cause Wilson doesn't know what they do in the FBI.
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Aug 21, 2017 08:23
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My wife hates twin peaks and David Lynch stuff. If I ever try to show her anything she rolls her eyes. I just showed her the "THIS IS WHAT WE DO IN THE FBI" and she absolutely cracked up laughing. It's a great scene! edit: -What the gently caress was up with the crawling woman at the end? -We finally saw that there are many rooms above the convenience store. Pity we didn't get another crazycakes formica table/garmonbozia scene. -Poor duncan todd. I know someone called duncan todd IRL. redreader fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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Aug 21, 2017 08:36
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redreader posted:-What the gently caress was up with the crawling woman at the end? IDK, she was disrespected and effortlessly overpowered by a couple of strangers, and even though those bikers didn't harm her physically, I guess the sense of powerlessness and dehumanization (perhaps echoing ways she's been treated before as a physically diminutive person) pushed her over the edge into a full-blown episode. I thought it was a very emotionally clear little vignette.
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Aug 21, 2017 08:48
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Supercar Gautier posted:IDK, she was disrespected and effortlessly overpowered by a couple of strangers, and even though those bikers didn't harm her physically, I guess the sense of powerlessness and dehumanization (perhaps echoing ways she's been treated before as a physically diminutive person) pushed her over the edge into a full-blown episode. I thought it was a very emotionally clear little vignette.  She was stoned and the song caused a bad trip
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Big Mean Jerk posted:
She was an audience surrogate, waiting for Dougie, and she finally lost her goddamn mind when he attempted to kill himself via electro shock therapy.
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Aug 21, 2017 08:56
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yeah i took it to be a disorientating harbinger that some p bad things are coming twin peaks way next episode
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Aug 21, 2017 08:56
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Man, what an amazing episode. For a few seconds I thought that they'll just show Jeffries in the darkness, but nope, he's just a weird bell-kettle-man now. Still hope that we can here a cover of one of Bowie's songs in the Roadhouse, though. Also, It sounded like the music in the credits had a sample of Super Mario shooting fireballs at few points, which would be amusing, given the tone of the scene.
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Vookatos posted:Man, what an amazing episode. For a few seconds I thought that they'll just show Jeffries in the darkness, but nope, he's just a weird bell-kettle-man now. Still hope that we can here a cover of one of Bowie's songs in the Roadhouse, though. They could just bring in Michael C. Hall to perform one of the Lazarus songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nwHq_Xs9hw
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So what I've been mulling over is... the "place above the convience store" apparently is not part of the Black Lodge. Otherwise Booper wouldn't be caught dead there. Yet, the woodsmen and Phillip Jeffries are there. Also another thing I noticed: they are explicitly linking the woodsmen with the two characters we saw in the convencience store scene in FWWM. One does the electric box thing Prochnow does and does the thing with the cane another one did. We've seen Mrs. Tremond in that place, is the lady in the robe Mrs. Tremond? And what I most want to know, not necessarily in a lore way but like a meta way: what is the place above the convencience store? Some kind of neutral meeting ground for lodge spirits?
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Aug 21, 2017 10:00
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The woodsmen were there in the original 'above the convenience store' scene.
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Aug 21, 2017 10:58
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redreader posted:The woodsmen were there in the original 'above the convenience store' scene. They didn't have their new soot-look, but I'm fine with it if it's a retcon.
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Aug 21, 2017 11:01
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Huh look at that, two Coopers. I never quite grasped the significance of that shot in this scene before even though Season 2 ends with Bad Cooper escaping the Red Room and leaving Good Cooper stuck inside.
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Aug 21, 2017 11:02
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Some dumb stuff that came to mind while watching the episode: Could the blood mouth jail guy be to someone like Dougie was to Coop? It reminded me of Dougie how he echos everything that he hears. Screaming girl at the end with the strobe light reminded me of Laura's scary scenes in the black lodge. Could she be waiting for Laura or somethin idk thanks
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Aug 21, 2017 11:14
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I loving love ZZ Top.
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esperterra posted:I loving love ZZ Top. I think the reason they didn't appear in the episode would be that it would be too tough to top their last big appearance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHTMm4jee_8
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Aug 21, 2017 12:08
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As weird as it is to not have either Donna on the show, I do appreciate that her sister is getting up to some poo poo. A season without any Haywards would be kind of odd, imo. Poor Gersten. Should have kept on playin' piano.
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Aug 21, 2017 12:19
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I've been thinking about the fact we learned in the episode BEFORE this last one - that Janey-E is really Janey Evans, Diane's sister (half-sister?) and I have just decided that I simply cannot accept this as any sort of a coincidence. The implication seems pretty clear to me, based on Diane's presumed association with Bad Coop... By the way, brief digression: I refuse to ever use the name B*****r because I think Bad Coop would find it silly and offensive and glare at me malevolently and consider whether to kill or maim me if I called him that and really just seeing it used here KILLS MY IMMERSION!! ...Ahem, so anyway. I was watching Episode 3/4 again, and it just really beggars belief that when Cooper finally comes "home" at the end and finds "the house with the red door" (and I may point out here that RED has been more strongly associated with Diane in terms of attire than any other character since TMFAP really) he is greeted by a wife who just happens to be the sister of his former secretary with whom we know he communicated closely and had absolute trust in. Way, way too much of a coincidence. Only thing I wonder is just how much Diane really knows. And what really happened that one night between her and Cooper. Part of me is holding out hope for a DoppelCoop flashback to events right after he got out of the lodge but... Logistically I don't really quite see how Lynch could pull that off. Kyle Maclachlan may look fairly ageless but 25 years is 25 years.
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Related: it might've been me not having a good night's sleep but I thought Chantal was Janey-E at first when she goes in to kill Mr. Todd. Now that would've been a twist.
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Aug 21, 2017 13:13
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I don't know if anyone here has watched Portlandia recently, but it's so jarring and almost upsetting (to see Coop outside of Twin Peaks after all we've been through in season 3)
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Aug 21, 2017 13:13
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Ed and Norma aaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Aug 21, 2017 13:31
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So I assume the portal where the FBI saw Ruth Davenport's body leads to wherever the hell Mr C went last night? It had the staircase, the burnt men, and that wallpaper in the background. Isn't that where Major Birggs was "hibernating" as well? Also, my guess - "Judy" is living inside Sarah Palmer.
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oh yeah, I forgot to post about it, but omg ed and norma. grinning ear to ear for that.
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Aug 21, 2017 13:49
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So I guess we should call the place above the convenience store "The Dutchman's"? That's what Ray called it previously. Also, does anyone think there's anything at all to my "Steven is freaking out because he killed Becky" theory, or am I just talking poo poo?
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The Walrus posted:oh yeah, I forgot to post about it, but omg ed and norma. grinning ear to ear for that. I hope they get married and she somehow has a kid! They deserve it! ALso, I forgot who posted it, but I've been thinking more and more about how Mickey killed himself and how upset they both were and think the other poster nailed it with he probably killed Becky. Escobarbarian posted:So I guess we should call the place above the convenience store "The Dutchman's"? That's what Ray called it previously. Hey! Yup, I think that's probably whats going on.
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Aug 21, 2017 13:53
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Escobarbarian posted:So I guess we should call the place above the convenience store "The Dutchman's"? That's what Ray called it previously. As a Dutchman, I would like to disavow any knowledge of interdimensional spaces containing David Bowie tea kettles.
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FSFunky posted:So what I've been mulling over is... the "place above the convience store" apparently is not part of the Black Lodge. Otherwise Booper wouldn't be caught dead there. That's a good point and one I thought about too. I don't have any really full formed ideas on it yet, but I think the portals are a clue. Portals have been seen to carry people off to both the convenience store realm (which I had until now thought of as the black lodge tbh), as well as the Jackrabbit’s Palace/Purple Sea/White Lodge area. The black lodge/red room/waiting room is accessed in a different way, although the fadeout that people do when people enter it is similar to what we see when people go through the sky portals. Who the gently caress knows. Great show.
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Oh, another thing, what was the gunshot in the woods scene if it wasn't Steven killing the dogwalking witness? Suicide?
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Escobarbarian posted:Also, does anyone think there's anything at all to my "Steven is freaking out because he killed Becky" theory, or am I just talking poo poo?
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The Walrus posted:That's a good point and one I thought about too. I don't have any really full formed ideas on it yet, but I think the portals are a clue. Portals have been seen to carry people off to both the convenience store realm (which I had until now thought of as the black lodge tbh), as well as the Jackrabbit’s Palace/Purple Sea/White Lodge area. The black lodge/red room/waiting room is accessed in a different way, although the fadeout that people do when people enter it is similar to what we see when people go through the sky portals. I haven't seen FWWM in a while, but doesn't Laura enter the red room through the door she sees in her painting (the convencience store realm)
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FSFunky posted:Yet, the woodsmen and Phillip Jeffries are there. The woodsmen yes. Jeffries? Not sure. It was more like he used the convenience store to travel to somewhere else. It looked like a motel in the real world. It could have still been in another realm but who knows? The woman was certainly part of the lodges but maybe she just acts as a kind of agent for situations like this. The Walrus posted:Oh, another thing, what was the gunshot in the woods scene if it wasn't Steven killing the dogwalking witness? Suicide? That would be the most likely answer until we see otherwise. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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FSFunky posted:I haven't seen FWWM in a while, but doesn't Laura enter the red room through the door she sees in her painting (the convencience store realm) It happens in a dream but basically yes.
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The Walrus posted:Oh, another thing, what was the gunshot in the woods scene if it wasn't Steven killing the dogwalking witness? Suicide? We see the dog walker later, so he is still alive. Probably suicide.
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Escobarbarian posted:So I guess we should call the place above the convenience store "The Dutchman's"? That's what Ray called it previously. That's what Ray called it, "The Dutchman's", but it's rather unclear whether that meant the Motel-like place that Coop went to, because it seemed to me that he somehow used The Room Above the Convenience Store to go somewhere else. He asks the Woodsman with black liquid dripping out his mouth about Philip Jeffries, the switch flips and we got visible and audible electricity and a creepy flash to a combo of The Jumping Man's face, Sarah Palmer's face, and I actually think a third person's face all flashing around. Then it's pack to normal, and the bald and beard Woodsman (whom we have seen several times, both in 1945, 1956, and in the modern day 'healing' Evil Cooper. But the interesting thing is that Evil Coop waits for the Woodsman with the crap coming out his mouth to take a wooden staff out and thump on the floor, as if making sure it's safe to walk on. Then the bald and bearded Woodsman beckons and leads Coopers through a dark corridor (which seems to also be the ghostwood or a forest) and into room with the staircase that Cole saw in his vision - a black staircase. At the top of that, he opens a door that leads outside (and to what seems to be the paved ground floor of a seedy motel, which seems odd. I got the implication that this seedy motel was not accessible through any normal means, and the backwards-speaking person who unlocks the door to Room 8 would seem to confirm that this is a plane like where the Giant is, or where The Red Room. I think. It was notable that Jeffries spoke normally, and also sounded nothing like the person Bad Coop talked to in episode 2 who said "You're going back in tomorrow, and Bob will be with me." Still curious as to who that may have been. Another thing... The Room above the Convenience Store where Bad Coop first went to, with the floral wallpaper. That seems to be the same place Laura went when she had her ominous dream. Identical floral wallpaper, similar rooms... In fact, the picture she was given by Mrs. Tremont seemed to be OF THAT PLACE, the room above the Convenience Store. Which may account for why just the picture itself had so much power as to cause a dream like that. Check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxRnwyYj72c Sam faded floral wallpaper, or... Very nearly the same. edit: Also that video is a really annoying fan edit and actually doesn't have all the content I want like Mrs. Tremond beckoning her from one room into another but I can't find just actual clean footage of the scene, just more goddamn fan-edits  Why do people think they're improving things by trying to make Lynch "more coherent" or something with these awful edits.
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The dog walker was Mark Frost, by the way. Credited as the reporter he appeared as in S2E1.
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Zmej posted:I can see it, but I was so lost in that scene, unless we get confirmation later I'm pretty open to what happened Yeah, that's where I'm at. Makes a fair amount of sense, but it's by no means clear. The trailer window which the camera fixated on was already broken during their previous fight, I believe. Admitedly, I didn't have subtitles on, so I missed most of the dialogue. He clearly didn't shoot her because Carl didn't notice anything. Cromulent posted:The dog walker was Mark Frost, by the way. Credited as the reporter he appeared as in S2E1. 
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FSFunky posted:I haven't seen FWWM in a while, but doesn't Laura enter the red room through the door she sees in her painting (the convencience store realm) Oh yes, you're right. And that scene explicitly links the convenience store and the red room. so why is cooper willing to go to the convenience store when the lodge wants him back so bad? Maybe the red room really isn't the black lodge after all. edit: but ofc as someone mentioned that scene is a dream so any half logic that may have applied doesn't necessarily need to. or maybe it does.
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Supercar Gautier posted:IDK, she was disrespected and effortlessly overpowered by a couple of strangers, and even though those bikers didn't harm her physically, I guess the sense of powerlessness and dehumanization (perhaps echoing ways she's been treated before as a physically diminutive person) pushed her over the edge into a full-blown episode. I thought it was a very emotionally clear little vignette. She'd been in that booth waiting for Audrey for like 5 weeks
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The Walrus posted:Oh yes, you're right. And that scene explicitly links the convenience store and the red room. so why is cooper willing to go to the convenience store when the lodge wants him back so bad? Maybe the red room really isn't the black lodge after all. The red room is just the "waiting room" isn't it? I guess Cooper now has access to the lodge without needing to interact with Mike and the arm. It felt like he was taking a back way. Or the lodges cross over and aren't distinct things, or are many distinct things in one other place. It blew up everything I thought about bad Cooper anyway and now I'm wondering if he might actually be bad Cooper for good reasons or something.
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