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No Wave posted:Well yeah I didn't say it rendered her worthless, we have no idea what those do. It is a very massive nerf, yes. The bigger, unspoken nerf would be if they kept the recharge time from 0 to full at its original 10 seconds. Like you said, Blizzard seems to love these big swingy changes when I think it would be better for them to make them more gradual and finer grained. Two seconds of matrix uptime means that D.Va can no longer block a full death blossom, rocket barrage, or tacvisor. McCree can outlast it with his ult as well unless he does first. It also means that D.Va will be potentially at greater risk of trying to dive snipers since she'll only have a limited window of frontal protection to engage with. That said, being able to shoot while boosting is a pretty significant buff, and getting an extra damage ability on top of that is sweet, I am all in favor of more aggression and less mitigation, but it'll need to be seen if the added offensive capabilities are enough to outweigh the loss of defensibility that comes with it. Still, missiles are rad.
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That is a LOT of changes at once, and the severity of the matrix nerf makes me nervous, but if the new offense stuff means D.Va can reliably secure kills now then I'm excited to give it a go.
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Aug 21, 2017 20:53
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Supercar Gautier posted:That is a LOT of changes at once, and the severity of the matrix nerf makes me nervous, but if the new offense stuff means D.Va can reliably secure kills now then I'm excited to give it a go.
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Wait, so they took Dva from her state before where people played her much more aggressively and fixed/buffed defense matrix to make her more reliant on it because they didn't like how aggressively she was played, only to now slash its activation time in half and buff her offensive capabilities again? Like, I like the changes and they sound great but I'm confused what they want her character to be. I thought relying on DM was how they wanted her to play?
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Aug 21, 2017 20:57
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Wrist Watch posted:Wait, so they took Dva from her state before where people played her much more aggressively and fixed/buffed defense matrix to make her more reliant on it because they didn't like how aggressively she was played, only to now slash its activation time in half and buff her offensive capabilities again? Yeah, way back near launch when D.Va was crap, they had talked about two paths for fixing the character (either more offensive or defensive), and they opted for defense with the first big matrix patch. Now it seems like they're jumping tracks to try out the offensive version they abandoned.
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Aug 21, 2017 21:04
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So are they just going to take a character in the exact opposite direction if people are using their most useful ability too much from now on?
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Aug 21, 2017 21:09
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Supercar Gautier posted:Yeah, way back near launch when D.Va was crap, they had talked about two paths for fixing the character (either more offensive or defensive), and they opted for defense with the first big matrix patch. Now it seems like they're jumping tracks to try out the offensive version they abandoned.
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Aug 21, 2017 21:15
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Roadhog backlash has caused the Overwatch team to reexamine their life goals.
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turtlecrunch posted:Roadhog backlash has caused the Overwatch team to reexamine their life goals.
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Aug 21, 2017 21:22
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turtlecrunch posted:Roadhog backlash has caused the Overwatch team to reexamine their life goals. Hopefully one of their life goals is "Stop listening to people bitch on our forums and also not nerf Doomfist."
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Ersatz posted:D.Va mains never stopped giving them poo poo for replacing her season 3 playstyle with the boring matrix-bot we have now. Blizzard isn't about to admit it, but I think they now recognize that they made a mistake and they're trying to correct it. In all fairness to season 3 Dva mains, it is pretty dumb that they gave a character a giant mech suit, power thrusters, and close range shotguns, then went "no you're supposed to be shielding your team with defense matrix" and were apparently baffled that most people didn't care to play her that way E: anyone have a link to the blue post talking about this? Want to surprise my Dva main friend
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Bumper Stickup posted:Hopefully one of their life goals is "Stop listening to people bitch on our forums and also not nerf Doomfist." " ...except for the whole 'Fix Roadhog' thing, we are listening to that."
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Wrist Watch posted:Wait, so they took Dva from her state before where people played her much more aggressively and fixed/buffed defense matrix to make her more reliant on it because they didn't like how aggressively she was played, only to now slash its activation time in half and buff her offensive capabilities again? For all that people may think I'm abrasive, this is exactly the sort of thing that Blizzard does that bugs me. The bluepost statement during S3 was essentially "we understand that a lot of you really like playing D.Va as a brawly, aggro, in your face tank and that's great! But we don't want you doing that. Maybe someday if you're lucky we'll make a new character for you that let's you do that." This was also what led to the whole "you should try using defense matrix to escort a riptire" thing. In fairness to Blizzard this can be a fine line to walk. I believe it's an unquestionable good for a game designer to make a game that suits their vision, and then if people don't like that vision they can play another game. However, Blizzard doesn't always seem to know what their vision IS which muddies things a lot when they suddenly decide that actually their vision is something else now. And it's also sometimes important for a designer to look at how people are having fun in their game, and if a lot of them are having fun in a way that contradicts their vision, well, then you need to decide if it's time to reexamine that vision to understand what it is they're enjoying and why. So I guess we'll see how this shakes out but if you're confused by the sudden change in approach I'm sure you're not the only one.
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Wrist Watch posted:In all fairness to season 3 Dva mains, it is pretty dumb that they gave a character a giant mech suit, power thrusters, and close range shotguns, then went "no you're supposed to be shielding your team with defense matrix" and were apparently baffled that most people didn't care to play her that way #JusticeForHana 
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Wrist Watch posted:E: anyone have a link to the blue post talking about this? Want to surprise my Dva main friend https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20758746118?page=2#post-30 Incidentally if you would like to surprise your friend you could also show them what the face of total madness looks like
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Aug 21, 2017 21:52
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Oh god, I didn't want to play Borderlands again.
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Father Wendigo posted:" ...except for the whole 'Fix Roadhog' thing, we are listening to that." Hey man I am probably the only person here that hates playing against Roadhog but even I said just reverse all his nerfs if it meant Doomfist doesn't get hit with a nerf.
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I predict that a DVA flying at a 200hp with guns blazing and a boop and maybe a melee is going to be very deadly. Maybe too much so.
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headcase posted:I predict that a DVA flying at a 200hp with guns blazing and a boop and maybe a melee is going to be very deadly. Maybe too much so. Guns blazing is probably not a big deal since she does about 1 or 2 DPS if she's more than six inches away, but they said the new mini missiles can be used while flying and firing so add those in and you're probably looking at a solid kill.
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I like the idea of the person in the loving mech getting to use her loving mech stuff.
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headcase posted:I predict that a DVA flying at a 200hp with guns blazing and a boop and maybe a melee is going to be very deadly. Maybe too much so. If you can shoot while boosting there's no reason to melee anyone because your guns do more damage at the same range you'd be able to melee someone. The melee is sometimes useful to confirm kills on people you ram if they go sliding off at weird angles because the melee hitbox is so generous, but otherwise it'd be better to just shoot them.
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Dunno if this shameless self-promotion/disruption of discussion is frowned upon here but I spent way, far... way... too long making this thing, and if nothing else hopefully goons here will be entertained by it. Ana Amari - Ana Be Sedated by ESTAIDS (An Ana Sleep Compilation) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEjcWDmlodc im depressed lol fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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turtlecrunch posted:https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20758746118?page=2#post-30 Thanks! Kai Tave posted:For all that people may think I'm abrasive "Let he who has never gotten worked up about video games cast the first report" - Jesus in the bible somewhere probably
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talking of shameless self-promotion I'm gonna cross-post this from PGS and shout out to our fellow bronze, silver or gold OW players to come join us for some games this weekend:quote:This coming weekend marks the end of Jeff Kaplan's Overwatch Competitive Videogame Experience's fifth season. You're probably already sick of the smurfs, throwers and generally toxic assholes, but you're in luck! This weekend our handsome Overwatch buddies from Serious Overchill are grouping up for one final push. If you're on the verge of breaking into a new rank, sick of pubbies or just generally want some fun folks to play games with there's never been a better time to join.
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Straight White Shark posted:Guns blazing is probably not a big deal since she does about 1 or 2 DPS if she's more than six inches away, but they said the new mini missiles can be used while flying and firing so add those in and you're probably looking at a solid kill. I dunno even at like 15 feet away the damage is noticeable. Watching it go up rapidly as you close in is going to be fun. I also like the idea of flying in an arc or S that is hard to hit or to flank in at someone who is distracted. It should be like a fighter jet sim if I'm imagining correctly.
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Season 3 D.Va was so fun so I support them making her more offensive oriented, even though I do like that I can currently play D.Va well, and use the matrix to kind of the same effect as Rein, a character I always struggle with.
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gently caress offensive abilities in Mecha mode. Give her an offensive ability in meat-bag mode. Hell, HotS gives her a fast charging linear laser blast. Do that instead. It's weird that the side-lined MOBA does a better job with her gimmick than actual Overwatch. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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Nah, instead of giving baby D.Va a new attack, let her train with the Shimadas to double-jump and wall-climb while out of mech.
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Kokoro Wish posted:gently caress offensive abilities in Mecha mode. Give her an offensive ability in meat-bag mode. Hell, HotS gives her a fast charging linear laser blast. Do that instead. Ehhhhhhh, I wouldn't necessarily go as far as to say HotS gets it better per se. The two modes are much more distinct it's true, but it almost seems to have the opposite issue where a lot of people spend more time as pilot D.Va because her autoattack damage output can be significant and they just treat her mech as a quick escape if the pilot form starts to take too much damage.
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All I can say is those mini-missiles better Robotech all over the place graphically before they reach their target.
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Give zarya her hots skin god damnit
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im depressed lol posted:Dunno if this shameless self-promotion/disruption of discussion is frowned upon here but I spent way, far... way... too long making this thing, and if nothing else hopefully goons here will be entertained by it. Cool video but the editing and rapid-fire cutting is making it hard to really focus on/appreciate these darts Give them a little bit more breathing room or use a bit more slo-mo, especially early on in the video. I appreciated having on-screen subtitles!
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I haven't played OW since Doomfist came out and I think every death I had tonight was a one-shot kill from something or other. Mercy got nailed by a black man a whole lot over the last couple hours. Also an asian and some purple lady.  I only won one game today but at least it was funny. RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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More offensive Dva sounds good to me because honestly that's how she feels she should be played, I love Dva but hate DM personally just because of how oppressive it can be for DPS or setting up a teamwipe. Hoping it's 2s up and something like 6s full recharge time. Maybe they can bring Hog back to deal with aggroDva and Doomfist again, even it's as simply as halving the hook cooldown time.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Cool video but the editing and rapid-fire cutting is making it hard to really focus on/appreciate these darts I really appreciate the feedback and agree with it. I suppose I just got too 'in the zone' by being too familiar with the fights they were clipped from. I made this basically blind to what other compilation sleep dart videos are out there as I didn't want it to be either ripping someone's style off or setting my goals too low because of falling into the mindset of everything is very low effort so why bother. The general pacing is actually slower than what I originally had laid out. I sent it to a friend who said paraphrased 'yeah this way too fast I don't think people with casual understanding of the game will even know to look for -Enemy Slept- in the UI,' Again, I really appreciate you taking the time to essentially confirm my own concerns over the finished edit. I'm garbage at this poo poo but want to make more or something new as I consider this "finished" so don't have to think about changing it anymore.
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FaustianQ posted:More offensive Dva sounds good to me because honestly that's how she feels she should be played, I love Dva but hate DM personally just because of how oppressive it can be for DPS or setting up a teamwipe. Hoping it's 2s up and something like 6s full recharge time. I've always thought an interesting way to adjust Roadhog's hook cooldown would be to put it on a differing timer depending on whether the hook hit or not. Land a hook and the CD is 5-6 seconds, but if you miss (or the hook is bubbled and/or deflected) then it goes on CD for like 10 seconds or something. Disincentivize blindly tossing hooks and hoping for the best, reward Zaryas and Genjis (and Meis) who are able to bait out the hook for a sick denial, but at the same time reward Roadhog players who are capable of landing hooks consistently. Then, like, maybe adjust the hook projectile hitbox down a bit and do something to make his damage output less of a wet fart so he can at least reliably kill 200 hitpoint characters he hooks. I am not at all optimistic about Blizzard's latest foray into percentage based damage reduction as a buff.
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Kai Tave posted:I've always thought an interesting way to adjust Roadhog's hook cooldown would be to put it on a differing timer depending on whether the hook hit or not. Land a hook and the CD is 5-6 seconds, but if you miss (or the hook is bubbled and/or deflected) then it goes on CD for like 10 seconds or something. Disincentivize blindly tossing hooks and hoping for the best, reward Zaryas and Genjis (and Meis) who are able to bait out the hook for a sick denial, but at the same time reward Roadhog players who are capable of landing hooks consistently. What do you mean, bastion is fine! 
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RBA Starblade posted:I haven't played OW since Doomfist came out and I think every death I had tonight was a one-shot kill from something or other. Mercy got nailed by a black man a whole lot over the last couple hours. Also an asian and some purple lady. Doomfist's ult is hilariously good at sniping a defending team's mercy so she can't rez. They always like to hide behind the point so after a wipe she can swoop in and rez but if she gets hammered through the floor texture she ain't rezzing poo poo.
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