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BENGHAZI 2 posted:"This loosely organized band calls itself antifa (“anti-fascist”), and — unlike the broad coalition of activists arrayed in opposition to much of the Trump agenda — its members unapologetically embrace violence as the only sufficiently strong answer to those they see as enemies, even when those enemies are engaging in nonviolent protest." Going from 'this is an ideology of violence and death, there is no equivocation' to this loving thing is the kind of whiplash that just straight up removes your head from your neck.
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Lightning Knight posted:I think this is true in the broad sense, but young black people also broke for Bernie in a contest against Hillary Clinton, noted old white lady famous for stuff from before most people my age were born or old enough to remember. I think a much more interesting and illustrative contest would be seeing how the demographics break for something like an Ellison/Booker match up, or Booker versus Sherrod Brown, or Ellison versus Gillibrand. Take out the name recognition and bring it back down to questions of charisma, identity, and policy positions and I think we'd be able to learn lot more about what primary voters actually look for in a candidate. Thankfully we are reaching a point where it's time for the next generation of candidates to take over. I'm sorry I'm so grumpy too! I'm just really fuckin tired at the end of a long rear end night shift!
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Office Pig posted:Going from 'this is an ideology of violence and death, there is no equivocation' to this loving thing is the kind of whiplash that just straight up removes your head from your neck. Antifa isn't an ideology and there are ways to force these fuckers underground besides literally stomping them into the dirt with your feet, calm your idiot titties down
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Lightning Knight posted:Your own source demonstrates that the rate appears to be falling fairly significantly, and the most recent available data is from four years ago. None of this changes the broader point, which is that you haven't demonstrated an actual causal relationship, when there are a number of other better documented reasons for why Bernie didn't do as well with the black community that aren't as sinister and asinine as your proposed one. Its nice that your dedicated to an irrational belief that people aren't stupid assholes. Lightning Knight posted:I'm fairly sure that by definition "truce with Nazis" categorically disqualifies somebody from calling themselves "antifa," just saying. Cerebral Bore posted:Sizzling hot take for you my man: Unlike you, not all people vote strictly based on their prejudices.
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Inescapable Duck posted:And last I checked, there's a huge generation gap among African-Americans, mostly with the younger ones wondering why the hell they were ever supposed to like the 'Superpredator' Clintons. Kind of a running theme in that the Clinton campaign and centrist Democrats in general are looking worse and worse in retrospect because all the problems they ignored have suddenly blown up. Personally, I have a theory that as Americans have children later in life on average, you'll get more people like me. I'm in my early 20's, but my parents are in their mid-to-late '50s, so their reference points are ancient. My dad canvassed for Reagan when he was my age (he sincerely regrets this decision), but the generation gap is extremely strong and it makes discussing politics and culture difficult because I came of age under Obama, while they came of age under Nixon. Especially as the Baby Boomers die out and Millennial become the largest generation, the gaps are just going to get longer and longer. BENGHAZI 2 posted:I'm sorry I'm so grumpy too! I'm just really fuckin tired at the end of a long rear end night shift! Same I'm ready for bed, but I have a bunch of laundry to fold. 3 more hours until my shift ends. 
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Antifa isn't an ideology and there are ways to force these fuckers underground besides literally stomping them into the dirt with your feet, calm your idiot titties down I think there's a misunderstanding, that was a reference to what seemed to be a general understanding that there is no equal standing between fascism and forces in opposition to fascism and the aggravating drip in stories like that one from the NY daily news that desperately tries to skewer antifa as some kind of moral hindrance to any and all things left.
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Sneakster posted:It's still be the most prevalent among older people, and age was the biggest predictor. I already said it wasn't the biggest reason, but I do think it was a more than comfortably relevant reason. My experience and documented statistical bias, even skewing towards the old agrees with it. I think that people are stupid assholes and I think antisemitism absolutely played a part in the 2016 primary, I just don't think it makes the top five reasons Bernie lost nor do I think it's appropriate to insinuate that it's a primary reason older black people didn't vote for him. It may be a reason, but I don't buy that it was a major reason unless somebody starts producing hard numbers and studies that aren't nearly half a decade old.
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Lightning Knight posted:I think this is true in the broad sense, but young black people also broke for Bernie in a contest against Hillary Clinton, noted old white lady famous for stuff from before most people my age were born or old enough to remember. That's kind of my point. Yong people overall broke for Bernie, older people overall broke for Hillary. Taking into account the self-selecting nature of the primary electorate and the overrepresentation of older black voters in it, it's kinda questionable to draw strong conclusions about the appeal of the candidates among the wider black community, especially when polling showed that a large majority of black voters would be happy with either one. Not that this will ever stop the hillfolk from claiming that black people totally hated Bernie/the left in general and will do so forever, of course.
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Office Pig posted:I think there's a misunderstanding, that was a reference to what seemed to be a general understanding that there is no equal standing between fascism and forces in opposition to fascism and the aggravating drip in stories like that one from the NY daily news that desperately tries to skewer antifa as some kind of moral hindrance to any and all things left. My bad! See above being real fuckin tired, and then add to that general grumpiness with people pointing at antifa folk and being like man look at these bloodthirsty psychopaths to the point where I have to go to allies on Wednesday and be like no guys I promise punching is just one of our options and it's not even the first one
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I have to go to allies on Wednesday and be like no guys I promise punching is just one of our options and it's not even the first one
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Cerebral Bore posted:That's kind of my point. Yong people overall broke for Bernie, older people overall broke for Hillary. Taking into account the self-selecting nature of the primary electorate and the overrepresentation of older black voters in it, it's kinda questionable to draw strong conclusions about the appeal of the candidates among the wider black community, especially when polling showed that a large majority of black voters would be happy with either one. I think this begs the question of what do you do about that? Because the primary is self-selecting and also has relatively speaking low participation rates, at the end of the day you still need to appeal to primary voters or somehow get more people to vote in the primaries, and the latter is no easy feat.
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Sneakster posted:Why you trying to ruin a good thing? gently caress off MIGF
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Sneakster, I think you need a break from this thread for a while, you're getting all insane again. Well, to be honest, you never really gained sanity at any point, you just clamped down on...whatever this idiotic gimmick is. And as a Jew, I'm not really super eager for some sort of hypothetical "nazis/antifa alliance" so maybe never ever bring up the idea of allying with Nazis ever again you loving goddamn idiot.
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WampaLord posted:And as a Jew, I'm not really super eager for some sort of hypothetical "nazis/antifa alliance" so maybe never ever bring up the idea of allying with Nazis ever again you loving goddamn idiot. What disturbs me is violence seems to be the only solution, and people willing to commit social violence aren't likely to be the ones to have the prospects of people who would have a coherent idea of how and where to apply it. The comments in the article with the road tripping idiots expose a horrible reality where the commentators are honestly far worse human beings than the wretches at least committed to some kind of change. Look at the language used: the loving idiot fascists at least are open that the economy is degrading and barely livable and the "leftist" posters seem more concerned with affirming that the people willing to commit to actual action belong at their feet as the natural serf class, thank god they're anti-racist so its clear who the good guy is. Its so frustrating, these people are right to be extremists, its their target thats wrong. If only someone could discipline them into an effective force, our troubles with the bourgeois would be over very quickly. Look how fast confederate monuments got torn down. WampaLord posted:Well, to be honest, you never really gained sanity at any point, you just clamped down on...whatever this idiotic gimmick is. The cops don't care about drugs if you have a university ID, and the university is literally the near entirety of market for the prison slave labor made furniture. The university was a big part of the push to cut AFDC that destroyed the vestiges of my family, and to this day employ American Enterprise Institute assholes currently determined to cut food stamps. I am a collaborator. I loving wish universities were the socialist brainwashing centers right wing propaganda makes them out to be. Mister Facetious posted:
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Sneakster posted:What disturbs me is violence seems to be the only solution What would make you think this is the case after the Boston rally? It seems like that's the best strategy going forward, and antifa can bash fash if the fash get uppity and start attacking people or seem like they are an imminent threat.
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WampaLord posted:What would make you think this is the case after the Boston rally? It seems like that's the best strategy going forward, and antifa can bash fash if the fash get uppity and start attacking people or seem like they are an imminent threat.
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To get this back on topic, from the succ zone quote:The former president has already been involved in fundraising efforts and has met with party leaders and held private meetings with lawmakers seeking advice. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/347181-democrats-long-for-obamas-return
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BodMOdJI2ag Nomiki is on the DNC Reform Committee.
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coathat posted:Democrats to win by hiding popular politician from the public. Actually true in this case. The more public Obama becomes the more his legacy becomes open to scrutiny. Centrists do NOT want that right now.
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Radish posted:they respond with "how many elections have you won??" if you point out the problem. At this point we could ask them the same thing. 
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JailTrump posted:Obama staying in the dark is the right choice. a strategy that served the democratic party extremely well in 2016
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Ze Pollack posted:a strategy that served the democratic party extremely well in 2016 Must demobilize and depersonalize all politics! The ideal voter is someone who considers voting democratic every 2 years a personal hobby or lifestyle choice, like being a vegan. They shouldn't get hung up on personalities or getting any actual benefit from it. That's selfish!
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Taintrunner posted:I don't think Obama worship will ever save the Democrats. it's an improvement on the current strategy of [THIS SPACE LEFT BLANK]
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Taintrunner posted:I don't think Obama worship will ever save the Democrats. Considering it brought us down this dark path they might as well go whole hog and turn him into a god and finish the party off for good.
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theCalamity posted:I really hope this is fake Ted Cruz: role model for today's Democratic Party Leadership! 
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Sephyr posted:Must demobilize and depersonalize all politics! The ideal voter is someone who considers voting democratic every 2 years a personal hobby or lifestyle choice, like being a vegan. They shouldn't get hung up on personalities or getting any actual benefit from it. That's selfish! The final form of Democratic politics will involve a puppy being placed into a cage and Democrats saying "if we don't win, the puppy dies."
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Ytlaya posted:The final form of Democratic politics will involve a puppy being placed into a cage and Democrats saying "if we don't win, the puppy dies." They will kill so many puppies
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theCalamity posted:I really hope this is fake There was a piece on Daily Kos a couple months ago (right after the Ossoff campagin ended) pointing out that people were being inundated with fundraising emails that read like spam, with subject lines saying OMG WARNING WE'RE GONNA LOSE GIVE US MONEY NOW several times a day right up to the day of the election. So I wouldn't be surprised if it was real. I think the assumption was that the campaigns hired a firm to do the fundraising for them, and they probably calculated that this would indeed get them a few bucks more. Never mind the effect on morale.
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Ytlaya posted:The final form of Democratic politics will involve a puppy being placed into a cage and Democrats saying "if we don't win, the puppy dies." Said puppy will be lowered into a pit of lava a la T2 and will only be raised if the Dems win. Also they'll lower the puppy six weeks before the election.
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