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Third World Reggin posted:lol good luck electing competent civilians for that
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quote:“Our troops will fight to win,” he said. “From now on, victory will have a clear definition: attacking our enemies, obliterating ISIS, crushing al-Qaeda, preventing the Taliban from taking over the country, and stopping mass terror attacks against Americans before they emerge.” From here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...m=.fe16e57061b7 I'll give Trump credit- with clearly defined goals like those (first time ever?), the war in Afghanistan finally stands a chance of being won.
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suboptimal posted:I'll give Trump credit- with clearly defined goals like those (first time ever?), the war in Afghanistan finally stands a chance of being won. Sarcasm, right?
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I'm half-expecting him to invade Western Pakistan. I mean, gently caress Pakistan but that's a terrible idea.
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The bottom line to all this is that McMaster/Mattis won the policy fight on Afghanistan behind-the-scenes, at least for now... ... until Trump's rally speech tomorrow in Phoenix that the Mayor of Phoenix has publicly asked him to cancel.
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facialimpediment posted:... until Trump's rally speech tomorrow in Phoenix that the Mayor of Phoenix has publicly asked him to cancel. Oh so that's when he's announcing Arpaio's pardon! Did anyone tell him you usually stop campaigning - for a while anyway - after the election?
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One of the Steubenville rapists' dads got murked on the courthouse steps by the judge he was trying to assassinate. Probably as close to justice as that case will ever get, a win IMO
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I wonder if this means we are gunna send artillery or troops into Pakistan now. Like let's say on the border you see them spotting or setting up rockets/mortars or your in hot pursuit of some people who just fired on you....What's the call? We deferring that one out to battlefield commanders
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shame on an IGA posted:One of the Steubenville rapists' dads got murked on the courthouse steps by the judge he was trying to assassinate. Probably as close to justice as that case will ever get, a win IMO Link?
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Cmon guys, like we haven't been partying like it is Laos 1965 for years now.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Link? https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2017-08-21/judge-shot-wounded-near-ohio-courthouse-suspect-killed
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Dead Reckoning posted:Link? http://www.thedailybeast.com/steubenville-rapists-dad-shot-judge-two-weeks-after-son-was-bounced-from-college-football -e- oh come on
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Trump said in that one speech "I love war". He's just trying to piss off as many countries as he can until he gets his Jihad.shame on an IGA posted:One of the Steubenville rapists' dads got murked on the courthouse steps by the judge he was trying to assassinate. Probably as close to justice as that case will ever get, a win IMO Impressive, and yet unsurprising really, is that the Judge was packing and got five shots off before a Probation Officer busted the decisive cap in rapist's dad.
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Back when I was in college, one of the visiting professors was a Colonel from the Argentine Air Force. One day, everyone who had an upper division Spanish class that period was in a lecture hall to watch a tourist film about Argentina. This was a thing the languages department did from time to time, to give a cultural overview of Latin American countries. During the film, the presenter visited the Plaza de Mayo, and gave a brief explanation of the silent protest of the Madres de Plaza de Mayo, the Dirty War, the atrocities, the disappearances. At the end of the film, the lights go up, and all eyes turn to the Argentine Colonel. I can't remember his exact words, but he said that it had been a different time. There had been terrorism and guerrilla bands, and the people of the nation had gone a little mad, doing crazy things in the name of security. He told us he had been a young cadet only in the last year of the dictatorship, and that people hadn't realized how bad it was until years later. This would have been in 2006 or so; dark days in Iraq, only a few years removed from Abu Ghraib, from Extraordinary Rendition and Enhanced Interrogation. People were realizing that Guantanamo Bay was full of low level people who the Pakistanis had traded for bounties, not the "worst of the worst." I had a moment of perfect clarity, listening to him talk. I knew if I took my commission, signed under the hand of George W. Bush, I was going to have to answer those questions one day, about why I agreed to serve a government so tainted by the stain of torture and lawlessness. Now though, I'm pretty sure I'll be telling kids "No, I wasn't involved in all that stuff you're asking about. I left the service in 2014, before things got crazy." Waroduce posted:Man conditions on the ground make me feel like they're going for a McNamara type approach where it's gunna be all about stats. Echoes of nam? Nick Soapdish posted:Congrats, we're plussing up AFPAK HANDS 
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suboptimal posted:
He DOES know that the Tribal region is where 90% of the Taliban and ISIS dudes are shacking up, and that the Tribal regions are there because three separate Afghani and Pakistani governments tried and failed to govern them, so they threw their hands up and said 'gently caress it'? If we dropped 5 bunker busters a day for 10 years straight, we still wouldn't get every cave and rat hole they're hiding out it.
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But we'll get every single non-combatant, NGO worker, and livestock!
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I was really afraid my children and grandchildren won't get a chance to fight there, but now we have a real leader in charge! 
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Nick Soapdish posted:Congrats, we're plussing up AFPAK HANDS 
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Had a colonel genuinely bewildered at me when I told him I did not want to do afpak hands Idk, maybe it was the first time someone actually told him the truth? I always forget you're supposed to lie about what you want to do
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shame on an IGA posted:One of the Steubenville rapists' dads got murked on the courthouse steps by the judge he was trying to assassinate. Probably as close to justice as that case will ever get, a win IMO There were a few convictions in that case, I thought?
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They served the minimum time which was a year.
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According to CNN the destroyer lost steerage just before the collision.
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Well then someone is getting hosed for gundecking maintenance logs.
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ded posted:According to CNN the destroyer lost steerage just before the collision. That makes sense. It loving sucks, too.
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ded posted:According to CNN the destroyer lost steerage just before the collision. ouch. losing steerage in a busy shipping lane is one of any seafarer's worst nightmares
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BUG JUG posted:That speech has Gorka's fingerprints all over it. So... Greasy little swastikas everywhere?
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Diarrhea Elemental posted:So... Greasy little swastikas everywhere? Goddamn paprika on everything
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Gorka gorka reagan jihad
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Divers have found some of the missing sailors from the McCain. No word on how many. Remains Found in Search for US Sailors Missing After Collision 
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Third World Reggin posted:lol good luck convincing civilians of that That's how it's worked for like, drat near ever. If the psychotic fucks that made up AF leadership after WW2 had gotten their way the whole world would be a nuclear crater right now.
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CommieGIR posted:Sarcasm, right? Ohhhhhh yeah. Barnett Rubin, one of the country's best scholars on Afghanistan, had a good Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/BRRubin/status/899806565255000064 In the run up to this speech, there was a lot of chatter about Afghanistan's mineral deposits. I for sure thought Trump was going to say something about us taking a cut as a "deal" for our military commitment.
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suboptimal posted:In the run up to this speech, there was a lot of chatter about Afghanistan's mineral deposits. I for sure thought Trump was going to say something about us taking a cut as a "deal" for our military commitment. I think Trump was screamed at by everyone to not go off-script in the slightest during that speech. It helped that it wasn't a typical rally crowd, so he didn't really have one of his crazy crowds to pander to, so he read the speech roughly verbatim. Which means that tonight's rally speech has a high likelihood of being loving insane. He always lashes out after having to do something he doesn't want to do or gets bad news. I think he's going to get really lovely television ratings news today, like how potentially fewer people watched his Afghanistan speech than the last Obama primetime address. So yesterday was the sanitized version. Today he probably starts yelling about how he's going to take all of Afghanistan's oil, confusing it with Iraq. Edit: oh hey they're sending a babysitter https://twitter.com/VaughnHillyard/status/899766131799408640 For reference, I've already heard that Arpaio isn't attending the speech. facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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facialimpediment posted:I think Trump was screamed at by everyone to not go off-script in the slightest during that speech. It helped that it wasn't a typical rally crowd, so he didn't really have one of his crazy crowds to pander to, so he read the speech roughly verbatim. Today is when he says confederate generals were real patriots. All the ingredients are there. Afghanistan, Sheriff Joe, Nazi rally, his supporters generally liking confederate statues, his detractors hating them. It's going to happen. I toxxed a week probie that it would happen before the end of the week but tonight is when it would probably be best to push all my chips in.
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mlmp08 posted:Some rando soldier loots a relic or antiquity or valuable item or cultural item for his own personal gain or collection? Probably return it. The Romans bragged about capturing standards 2500 years ago. Normally I'd poo poo on Minnesota, but in this case VA can get hosed.
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Godholio posted:The Romans bragged about capturing standards 2500 years ago. Normally I'd poo poo on Minnesota, but in this case VA can get hosed.
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