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The weirdest thing about the article is where it cites a letter from Whedon to his wife (ex-wife) explaining that he was surrounded by "beautiful, needy, aggressive women" and it was like a Greek tragedy. That's a weird thing to write.
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Aug 22, 2017 08:58
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I feel Whedon would most definitely write a melodramatic letter like that.
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Aug 22, 2017 09:23
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Wheat Loaf posted:The weirdest thing about the article is where it cites a letter from Whedon to his wife (ex-wife) explaining that he was surrounded by "beautiful, needy, aggressive woman" and it was like a Greek tragedy. That's a weird thing to write. I kinda want names, in a terrible nosy Parker kind of way.
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Aug 22, 2017 09:36
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Aug 22, 2017 09:54
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Patton Oswalt owns.
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Aug 22, 2017 12:45
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Wheat Loaf posted:The weirdest thing about the article is where it cites a letter from Whedon to his wife (ex-wife) explaining that he was surrounded by "beautiful, needy, aggressive women" and it was like a Greek tragedy. That's a weird thing to write. I mean, it explains why Felicia Day has a career.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:46
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Escobarbarian posted:He also essentially blamed the patriarchy for him having affairs which is just so dumb and lame but largely makes him seem like an idiot child rather than a scumbag or whatever.  esperterra posted:Mostly I'm surprised it took a big personal drama like this to get more people talking about it. I always thought it was weird he still seemed to have so much feminist like cred or w/e the past handful of years. I've been saying he was kind of a weirdo ever since the terrible Firefly movie. I think you can only take the "tiny girl beats up huge dudes" thing so far before it just gets to seeming like your fetish, and I think he had a weird focus on feet in that one too.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:53
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IRQ posted:I've been saying he was kind of a weirdo ever since the terrible Firefly movie. I think you can only take the "tiny girl beats up huge dudes" thing so far before it just gets to seeming like your fetish, and I think he had a weird focus on feet in that one too. Have you ever seen Joss Whedon and Quenten Tarantino in the same place?
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Aug 22, 2017 14:00
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Iron Crowned posted:Have you ever seen Joss Whedon and Quenten Tarantino in the same place? Shoe shops. Regularly, and repeatedly.
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Aug 22, 2017 14:13
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The difference between Tarantino and Whedon is that there's actually a legitimate argument to be made that Tarantino is a feminist. Whedon not so much. [Edit: that was the case before the letter too]
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Aug 22, 2017 14:25
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esperterra posted:This is what my thoughts boil down to, really. Like he hasn't been an amazing or up to date or w/e feminist for years now, and imo this would be the case whether he was a dick who cheated for 15 years or not. That one Kate Beaton comic is basically whedon_feminism.jpg but that seems to be good enough among my friends who hang tenaciously upon anything he does. Thankfully they mostly seem to draw a line at Dollhouse at least.
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Aug 22, 2017 14:26
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lelandjs posted:The difference between Tarantino and Whedon is that there's actually a legitimate argument to be made that Tarantino is a feminist. Whedon not so much. Tarantino can write dialogue, too.
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Aug 22, 2017 14:32
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raditts posted:That one Kate Beaton comic is basically whedon_feminism.jpg but that seems to be good enough among my friends who hang tenaciously upon anything he does. Thankfully they mostly seem to draw a line at Dollhouse at least. I totally forgot Dollhouse happened
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Aug 22, 2017 14:38
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The actors other than the lead in Dollhouse were ok.
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Aug 22, 2017 14:41
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Dollhouse would have been legitimately fantastic if anyone other than Dushku had been the lead. The rest of the cast is stellar.
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Aug 22, 2017 14:43
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lelandjs posted:Dollhouse would have been legitimately fantastic if anyone other than Dushku had been the lead. The rest of the cast is stellar.
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Aug 22, 2017 14:45
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I liked Eliza Dushku in Buffy and Angel. Granted I probably haven't watched either in 10 years.
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Aug 22, 2017 14:47
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FactsAreUseless posted:Lmao no Who do you consider to be the weak point? I thought everyone else was great. Actually did you watch both seasons? There's a lot of character work in the second season that makes the first season retroactively better.
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Aug 22, 2017 14:54
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I've never seen Firefly and I'm never gonna. Also that openly gay Xena reboot that one of the The 100 writers was working on is dead I'm afraid.
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Aug 22, 2017 14:57
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I agree that everyone but the lead in Dollhouse was pretty excellent.
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Aug 22, 2017 14:58
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lelandjs posted:Who do you consider to be the weak point? I thought everyone else was great.
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Aug 22, 2017 15:02
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zoux posted:I've never seen Firefly and I'm never gonna. That's ok, I'll watch it again for you.
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Aug 22, 2017 15:06
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I've never watched Firefly and never will because there's no way it can be that good.
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Aug 22, 2017 15:07
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It's not. It's fun, but don't let the nerd consensus make you think it's something it's not.
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Aug 22, 2017 15:08
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zoux posted:I've never seen Firefly and I'm never gonna. Wasn't Xena the openly gay version of Xena?
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Aug 22, 2017 15:10
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GreenNight posted:It's not. It's fun, but don't let the nerd consensus make you think it's something it's not. The "Browncoats" make me wish I never enjoyed Firefly.
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Aug 22, 2017 15:16
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Wheat Loaf posted:I've never watched Firefly and never will because there's no way it can be that good. If it hadn't been canceled in its first season, or if it had come out a couple of years later, nobody would remember or care about it.
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Aug 22, 2017 15:17
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Of course, TV Tropes originated as a Joss Whedon fan-site, which is something that can never be forgiven.
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Aug 22, 2017 15:23
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I liked Firefly at the time, I remember it along with Arrested Development being the shows to convince me that I should start paying more attention to TV instead of movies, but it did not take long at all for it to lose its sheen and I've never really understood why there was such an effort to get it revived. Surely that zeitgeist has past us by now, right? Right?
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Aug 22, 2017 15:24
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Firefly was average
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Aug 22, 2017 15:26
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What was the internet peak of Whedon obnoxious internet fandom, 2007?
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Aug 22, 2017 15:28
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Firefly was a cool show that probably deserved more than one season but then they made that movie and that's not very good, so maybe they were right to cancel it.
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Aug 22, 2017 15:29
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Nate RFB posted:I liked Firefly at the time, I remember it along with Arrested Development being the shows to convince me that I should start paying more attention to TV instead of movies, but it did not take long at all for it to lose its sheen and I've never really understood why there was such an effort to get it revived. Surely that zeitgeist has past us by now, right? Right? There isn't a lot of Science Fiction on TV in general, so when there's something that nerds enjoy they cling to it like no one's business. That said, I'm actually looking forward to The Orville, and hoping that it's good because it feels like it's going to scratch my Star Trek itch a lot more than Discovery will.
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Aug 22, 2017 15:30
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Oh yeah, Adam Baldwin coined the term Gamer Gate so try and separate art and artist there.
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Aug 22, 2017 15:32
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Iron Crowned posted:The "Browncoats" make me wish I never enjoyed Firefly. I don't let lovely fans ruin my enjoyment of TV. That's why I rarely read TV threads in the forums.
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Aug 22, 2017 15:42
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zoux posted:What was the internet peak of Whedon obnoxious internet fandom, 2007? Possibly, although Dr. Horrible wasn't for another year, and god knows that was huge.
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Wandle Cax posted:He must have recovered ok, he's got that new movie coming out, American assassin Oh cool, that's who you're talking about? That guy looks really good in the role, the book series is a guilty pleasure of mine. From the AA trailers it looks like he's flipping around quite a bit so I'd also guess his recovery is going well.
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Aug 22, 2017 15:44
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Wheat Loaf posted:Another late-2000s show I liked a lot while it was on was Shark, which starred James Woods as a defence attorney who becomes disillusioned with his practice after one of his clients murders their wife on the same day he got him off for domestic abuse so he changes sides and goes into public prosecution. Shark was great. While it only being a tv show I think they did show just how much having a top paid lawyer matters and what they will do to win a case. Billy Campbell's Wayne Callison was great. Also great to see Danielle Panabaker now be on The Flash. And Jeri Ryan 
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Aug 22, 2017 16:02
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Hakkesshu posted:Firefly was a cool show that probably deserved more than one season but then they made that movie and that's not very good, so maybe they were right to cancel it. After the movie I'm confident that firefly was good only because it didn't get the chance to get bad.
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 Wow that Netflix number. Also, anytime you hear someone whining about how ESPN is failing because they're SJWs now, remind them they are paying out $8b a year for broadcast rights in a shrinking market.
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