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JfishPirate posted:13 is definitely the answer. The only halfway decent episode in Season 13 is Weekend at Burnsie's. Every other episode is awful, with some of the lowlights of the series, like the one where Bart and Homer are tied together and the one where they get framed for murder. Season 13 marked the departure of Mike Scully as showrunner, with Al Jean replacing him. Jean is still the showrunner today, so there probably won't be any chance of recovery unless someone replaces him. I'm not sure what a Simpsons recovery would even look like. The show originally caught fire for how different it was from tv orthodoxy, but now it IS tv orthodoxy. Nearly every sitcom on tv, and certainly every animated sitcom use the Simpsons template as a jumping off point. Trying to "reinvigorate" the Simpsons would be like trying to remake I Love Lucy. It's a product of its time, it really can't be divorced from the cultural context of the 1990s. The characters have reached the point that they're cultural icons on par with something like Mickey Mouse or the Looney Tunes, and like those characters, you reach a point where it's impossible to inject any kind of life into them anymore. Our vision of them is so solidified that they're not allowed to surprise us anymore.
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General Dog posted:I'm not sure what a Simpsons recovery would even look like. The show originally caught fire for how different it was from tv orthodoxy, but now it IS tv orthodoxy. Nearly every sitcom on tv, and certainly every animated sitcom use the Simpsons template as a jumping off point. Trying to "reinvigorate" the Simpsons would be like trying to remake I Love Lucy. It's a product of its time, it really can't be divorced from the cultural context of the 1990s. I think the problem with the Simpsons is that it's been bad for so long that it's more like Wheel of Fortune, something to watch for 30 minutes because nothing else is on.
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I think if the Simpsons post-season 10 existed in a vacuum as its own show, the first ten seasons never existed, nobody would think it was the worst show on television or anything, it would generally just be though of as okay (questions of why it's so popular or why it's lasted so long set aside).
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General Dog posted:I think if the Simpsons post-season 10 existed in a vacuum as its own show, the first ten seasons never existed, nobody would think it was the worst show on television or anything, it would generally just be though of as okay (questions of why it's so popular or why it's lasted so long set aside). I think that if the first 10 seasons didn't exist, the Simpsons wouldn't have lasted more than 2 seasons.
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Iron Crowned posted:I think that if the first 10 seasons didn't exist, the Simpsons wouldn't have lasted more than 2 seasons. If season 11 premiered in 1999 you're probably right. If a show comparable in quality to the average of season 11 to present day premiered in 1989, people would probably still have been pretty blown away by it.
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General Dog posted:I kind of liked the Irish Krusty bit at the end i was going to say that the irish bit was the only part that i could see being funny in the hands of competent writers
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A Simpsons recovery involves them aging the characters and setting and everyone would hate that.
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After 60 pages, it's pretty clear that the lowest point of the Simpsons was either Lena Dunham rapes Homer, or whatever random Season 11-13 episode finally made you stop watching. So to switch it up a bit, what's the lowest point of "Golden Age" Simpsons? Mine would probably have to be "Rosebud", which is really a testament to how great the show was, because there's still like half a dozen great jokes and my greatest criticism is that's kinda boring.
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The Simpsons can't recover, it has spawned too many bad seasons, and there are nearly twice as many bad seasons as there are good.
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Sheriff posted:After 60 pages, it's pretty clear that the lowest point of the Simpsons was either Lena Dunham rapes Homer, or whatever random Season 11-13 episode finally made you stop watching. So to switch it up a bit, what's the lowest point of "Golden Age" Simpsons? Golden age was so good that when they were forced to do a crossover episode to promote 'the Critic' it was actually good. I wouldn't have known it was a crossover (don't think the critic aired in my country) if not for the jokes they made about lame crossovers.
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Actual lowest point was probably the clip shows. Acknowledging  doesn't excuse
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:A Simpsons recovery involves them aging the characters and setting and everyone would hate that. I could see them doing that for a season as a one-off, but I don't think it would be much more than a gimmick unless the characters have actually evolved in a meaningful way.
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a simpsons recovery is them putting it out of its misery
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bitterandtwisted posted:Actual lowest point was probably the clip shows. Acknowledging IIRC they were forced by Fox to do the clip shows, and fox wanted something like every fifth episode to be a clip show or something ridiculous like that.
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54 40 or gently caress posted:IIRC they were forced by Fox to do the clip shows, and fox wanted something like every fifth episode to be a clip show or something ridiculous like that. Fox also wanted Futurama just to be The Simpsons 2, so they could reuse elements.
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sweetmercifulcrap posted:This is half a pretty good analysis of the styles of the different showrunners and half a look into all the madness you probably missed if you checked out long ago. this is the most shameless and obnoxious clickbait ive ever seen dude
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bitterandtwisted posted:Golden age was so good that when they were forced to do a crossover episode to promote 'the Critic' it was actually good. I legitimately didn't know it was a crossover with another cartoon for years. I just assumed it was a movie critic I had never heard of. That was such a good episode. All the film festival entrants were memorably funny (especially Barney's masterpiece, Pukeahontas), Mister Burns cheats outrageously, even the one joke about celebrities being gay hasn't aged as terribly as every other similar instance.
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I find it so weird that matt groening hated it so much, because as far as crossovers go it's hilarious.
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i don't know if matt groening hated it as much as he resented being forced to do it
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The critic isn't perfect, and has it's flaws, but it is also loving good and you should watch it ALL HAIL DUKE DUKE IS LIFE
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Johnny Aztec posted:The critic isn't perfect, and has it's flaws, but it is also loving good and you should watch it It was something like only 2 seasons, but those 2 seasons are actually not that bad if you can get past the animation and dated references. That style of humor is something I've always enjoyed, but had a hard time finding in other places.
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nigga crab pollock posted:this is the most shameless and obnoxious clickbait ive ever seen dude it doesn't really fit the definition of clickbait but ok the "fall of The Simpsons" video linked a few pages ago is admittedly much better.
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the critic is loving incredible and I still appreciate the dated references to this day also any time Guernica is mentioned in other media, I immediately think back to "Take that, Guernica!"
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it was when homer went frm being a monstrously obese american man to not even fat by american standards
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rshem5ejOh8 New England, you're going back to old England! e. The Clinton joke here always gets me, every god drat time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikZEio9pet4
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Jose posted:it was when homer went frm being a monstrously obese american man to not even fat by american standards Tbf this is more the lowest point of America rather than being the fault of the Simpsons
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Code Jockey posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rshem5ejOh8 Here's some of the good bits. Although honestly there's more to it than just these scenes, it's all worth it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8-NhOHHVvk
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sweetmercifulcrap posted:it doesn't really fit the definition of clickbait but ok  You're drat right!
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Ugh, the episode where they split the school into boys and girls school is pretty terrible. 
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skasion posted:Tbf this is more the lowest point of America rather than being the fault of the Simpsons reminder that in the epsiode where Homer gains so much weight he wears a mu-mu, he wears less than 350. His " Normal" weight is around 230.
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Johnny Aztec posted:reminder that in the epsiode where Homer gains so much weight he wears a mu-mu, he wears less than 350. Coming up next week on The Simpsons, Homer posts a shirtless photo online and is attacked for being so skinny and fat shaming.
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Johnny Aztec posted:reminder that in the epsiode where Homer gains so much weight he wears a mu-mu, he wears less than 350. He's short, though, isn't he? That would make sense if he's like 5'6" Heh, I just  d it and he's supposed to be six feet. His weight goes from 239 to 315 in the disability episode.
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54 40 or gently caress posted:IIRC they were forced by Fox to do the clip shows, and fox wanted something like every fifth episode to be a clip show or something ridiculous like that. the 138th episode spectacular or whatever is great if that counts as a clip show but that's basically just phil hartman being phil hartman.
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berth ell pup posted:the 138th episode spectacular or whatever is great if that counts as a clip show but that's basically just phil hartman being phil hartman. Well a lot of that was deleted scenes and original Tracey Ullman shorts, so stuff viewers typically don't see from aired episodes. In fact they wouldn't have been available at all up until the era of DVD extras (and even still, I can't think of anywhere to find the original Tracey Ullman shorts).
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drat straight, Troy my man
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I wonder what timeframe Hartman was thinking of in 1997 as "the time the show becomes unprofitable." Do you think he thought it would be around in 2017 with no sign of stopping?
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berth ell pup posted:I wonder what timeframe Hartman was thinking of in 1997 as "the time the show becomes unprofitable." Phil Hartman was shot by his wife.
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Wizard Master posted:Phil Hartman was shot by his wife. i know in a way she saved him while also providing us with a good barometer for simpsons judging. if it contains phil hartman it's going to be pretty good.
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54 40 or gently caress posted:IIRC they were forced by Fox to do the clip shows, and fox wanted something like every fifth episode to be a clip show or something ridiculous like that. The first clip show had a first act that was entirely new footage, and I think the second clip show was made in something like two weeks. They're pretty good considering the circumstances.
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berth ell pup posted:i know i mean...if you really think about it in a 6 degrees of separation way...andy dick ruined the simpsons...
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