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Well I was sort of assuming within the land borders of their current countries of residence, if you want to create an enclave for bellends you can do it in your own country. I'm sure there's some bit of the home counties populated only by the occasional tory and ukip voting farmer. Also freedom of association is another one of those things that original, anarchists had a decent reason for which got picked up by dumbass ancaps and made into something shite. Anarchists will probably advocate for it too but they'll do so out of a rejection of hierarchy and a necessary component of social equality.
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rkajdi posted:repeatedly shooting/stabbing you for being dumb enough to try. Sounds like the problems sorts itself out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrmgazEMvKU It's nice to see right wing conspiracy folks in the same (FEMA) camp as the left wing ones when it comes to pimping water ionizers.
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The Neo-Nazi fascination with video games and anime is so weird to me since old school Nazis hated stuff that was modern and not European. Neo-Nazis idolizing Duke Nukem seems fitting since it's a hypermasculine relic from decades past whose most recent incarnation sucks. Also fashwave seems pointless since it's indistinguishable from regular mall music without knowing who made it. Nice cameo by the dude from They Live since misinterpreting movies is common with the alt-right crowd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xf4urgGANQ
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OwlFancier posted:Well I was sort of assuming within the land borders of their current countries of residence, if you want to create an enclave for bellends you can do it in your own country. I'm sure there's some bit of the home counties populated only by the occasional tory and ukip voting farmer. I think Tories/GOP are poo poo too, but nobody deserves to be stuck with nativists and ethno-nationalists around them in numbers high enough to create a functional government. The goal is to isolate these people and crush them under the bootheel of modernity, not let them get their way and create their own little cancer state. quote:Also freedom of association is another one of those things that original, anarchists had a decent reason for which got picked up by dumbass ancaps and made into something shite. Anarchists will probably advocate for it too but they'll do so out of a rejection of hierarchy and a necessary component of social equality. There's zero good reason for it, since it's just used as an excuse to segment out people who don't look, pray, or gently caress like the whatever passes for the masses. All the anti-state stuff seems destined to create white worker's paradises, which are poo poo in every way possible.
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Goon Danton posted:Isn't this just Idaho? I thought this was the actual plan some faction of them had. You're thinking of Oregon: http://gizmodo.com/oregon-was-founded-as-a-racist-utopia-1539567040
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MikeCrotch posted:You're thinking of Oregon: http://gizmodo.com/oregon-was-founded-as-a-racist-utopia-1539567040 No, I'm assuming he meant more recently, so it was New Hampshire: https://freestateproject.org/
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Mr Interweb posted:From the comments: this reads like an unironic version of contra's "debating the alt-right" video
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rkajdi posted:There's zero good reason for it, since it's just used as an excuse to segment out people who don't look, pray, or gently caress like the whatever passes for the masses. All the anti-state stuff seems destined to create white worker's paradises, which are poo poo in every way possible. The argument is that hierarchy itself is what creates the ability for people to institutionally oppress people because it allows a select few to wield disproportionate power, and that allowing people to freely associate is the foundation of true democratic governance, because they can then organize with like minded people to form groups able to work towards goals that all members of the group agree with. So free association should, if people are decent enough, create groups where everyone really buys into the consensus that actually segregation is stupid and they will actually want to co-operate rather than being compelled to by a state which carries the risk that reactionary elements might simply gain control of the state and use it to attack others, rather than being forced to adjust or leave the group. I personally am skeptical of how stable such a system would be but I think most of the issue is that the cultural zeitgeist of our society currently does not support that mode of thinking and produces a lot of people who would rather try to destabilize such a system rather than work within it, but that could theoretically change, I don't think it's inherent to human nature to be twats. Though obviously ancaps tend to just go as far as "don't like me owning this then leave" and don't think further because they actually are idiots.
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OwlFancier posted:I also want to create a pure white utopia so all these idiots can go live in it and then it can collapse and they can all eat each other or something. you can't get much more white than that.
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Kjoery posted:deport them all to the arctic. Could create a nasty conflict of interest with environmentalism, do you stop the seas from rising, or do you drown all the nazis?
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noether posted:this reads like an unironic version of contra's "debating the alt-right" video Modern satire is impossible.
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Youtube Intellectual goes to college. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgcngfETl_Y
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OwlFancier posted:The argument is that hierarchy itself is what creates the ability for people to institutionally oppress people because it allows a select few to wield disproportionate power, and that allowing people to freely associate is the foundation of true democratic governance, because they can then organize with like minded people to form groups able to work towards goals that all members of the group agree with. So free association should, if people are decent enough, create groups where everyone really buys into the consensus that actually segregation is stupid and they will actually want to co-operate rather than being compelled to by a state which carries the risk that reactionary elements might simply gain control of the state and use it to attack others, rather than being forced to adjust or leave the group. That sounds great, until you realize how easy it would be to say create a whites only group there, that based on its size would be able to poo poo on every minority out there if it decided to. Hell, it's a problem that labor unions in the US historically had. So again, it leads to some white worker's paradise, which is poo poo for those us who don't look, pray, or gently caress in a way the chud class approves of. I'm not going to hand the reins of life over to the guys who have been trying to poo poo on me since day loving one without a goddamn fight. The solution is a strong state that steps on people's necks until they comply with civil rights. We literally had to have soldiers step in to threaten to gently caress up southern fried racists over education integration. How is the anarchist "state" going to solve that problem without the same level of authority? It's in effect the same garbage argument the common libertarians have, except that instead of it being King rear end in a top hat it's a mob of little assholes. I fail to see how that's ever going to be an improvement for any people who have any level of working civil rights protections now, but given how lovely and culturally conservative a lot of the "leftist" leaders and thinkers have been (see Zizeck for the modern take on it) I think it's pretty obvious. Illiberal democracy is a shitshow for anyone outside the majority, and is rightly avoided by anyone with a quarter brain or the semblance of an education.
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rkajdi posted:There's zero good reason for it, since it's just used as an excuse to segment out people who don't look, pray, or gently caress like the whatever passes for the masses. All the anti-state stuff seems destined to create white worker's paradises, which are poo poo in every way possible. I was told by an anarchist that during the Russian Revolution, the (anarcho-communist) Free Territory was one of only like two factions not to do some pogrom-ing on the side, and the only one to actually punish people for doing pogroms. I admit though, it wasn't an unbiased source, and I have no citations. And it is worth noting that the kinda sorta anarchists in Rojava are probably the most tolerant of the factions in the Syrian civil war. Not exactly a high bar to clear, but it's still something. Rumda posted:Modern satire is impossible. That's why I'm not really a fan of Contra's debate videos. There's no real difference between listening to a reenactment of stupid opinions and listening to the actual stupids themselves.
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Rugoberta Munchu posted:Youtube Intellectual goes to college. Let's taxidermy him and make a display for a natural history museum, then.
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rkajdi posted:The solution is a strong state that steps on people's necks until they comply with civil rights. We literally had to have soldiers step in to threaten to gently caress up southern fried racists over education integration. How is the anarchist "state" going to solve that problem without the same level of authority?
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Goon Danton posted:That's why I'm not really a fan of Contra's debate videos. There's no real difference between listening to a reenactment of stupid opinions and listening to the actual stupids themselves. On the other hand they are really good with the costuming and general production
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Goon Danton posted:
Those aren't really satire, but like absurdist Plato-style philosophical dialogues that dramatize problems in discourse without offering a solution (because there are no clear solutions). At least, the nazi ones seem like that. She seems to reserve them for situations that have no clear best outcome or response.
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rkajdi posted:That sounds great, until you realize how easy it would be to say create a whites only group there, that based on its size would be able to poo poo on every minority out there if it decided to. Hell, it's a problem that labor unions in the US historically had. So again, it leads to some white worker's paradise, which is poo poo for those us who don't look, pray, or gently caress in a way the chud class approves of. I'm not going to hand the reins of life over to the guys who have been trying to poo poo on me since day loving one without a goddamn fight. The issue with that solution is that it also relies on having a powerful ground-up organization dedicated to upholding your preferred flavour of justice, same as anarchism, otherwise you just end up with what you currently have which is a state that steps on minority necks a hell of a lot more than anybody else. It can even persevere without an actual numerical majority because whoever controls the state has a quite strong grip on the national discourse and cultural mindset if it wants to, so you will generally find that the state lags woefully behind the most desirable concept of a just society. The necessary solution is that people have to not want to be dickheads to each other before they will stop. A state doesn't really grant you extra protection there and is just as likely to side with the people being dickheads to you. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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Rugoberta Munchu posted:The Neo-Nazi fascination with video games and anime is so weird to me since old school Nazis hated stuff that was modern and not European. Neo-Nazis idolizing Duke Nukem seems fitting since it's a hypermasculine relic from decades past whose most recent incarnation sucks. Also fashwave seems pointless since it's indistinguishable from regular mall music without knowing who made it. Nice cameo by the dude from They Live since misinterpreting movies is common with the alt-right crowd. Buff Dudes going in an unusual direction...
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Kjoery posted:I mean, I feel like the internet is proof enough of what a purely anarchist society would devolve into atm (Race Realism & Tribal fascism) A purely anarchist society is also a fuckin pipe dream which fortunately most anarchists seem to have figured out
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youtube comments on that buff dudes cartoon posted:Quick reminder that there is absolutely no way that you can save the future if you can't save yourself If something has ever inspired me to get buff and read philosophy, it's the dream of sticking it in those goony white supremacist's faces.
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Keep beating meat, though. You don't want to do that weird asceticism Proud Boy thing.
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Plus it's good for your prostate!  All these nofap idiots are going to have prostate trouble when they get older.
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Rugoberta Munchu posted:The Neo-Nazi fascination with video games and anime is so weird to me since old school Nazis hated stuff that was modern and not European. Neo-Nazis idolizing Duke Nukem seems fitting since it's a hypermasculine relic from decades past whose most recent incarnation sucks. Also fashwave seems pointless since it's indistinguishable from regular mall music without knowing who made it. Nice cameo by the dude from They Live since misinterpreting movies is common with the alt-right crowd. fashwave is just a rebranding from realization. Vaporwave and all the subgenres inherently evoke a "false nostalgia". By Eco's definition, historical fascism created and was created from a more parochial variation on "false nostalgia", it would only be appropriate for the neofascists to intentionally dog that same line. But it's a bit navelgazey, and like all the other tenets of neofascists, is only really appealing to themselves for now. That song is very consciously aping the style of '80s instructional videos btw, tho maybe I don't know what mall music is supposed to be.
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WampaLord posted:Plus it's good for your prostate! Nofap is one of the funniest/most pathetic things I've seen come out of the MRA movement, right up there with MGTOWs. At least it's a positive step towards internalizing their failures, but still it somehow fucks this up by blaming some shadowy Other for making the evil pornography they like to fap to. The prostate problem is something that's been a problem for awhile. Combined with the US's incredible over-treatment of prostate cancer, a lot of these Proud Boys are going to wearing adult diapers in middle age while their ex-wives dump them for men who can actually still screw. There's something poetic and ironic about it.
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Wouldn't they have sexy dreams and cum in their sleep? It's not a subject I've ever heard much about, but maybe they're just having regular anime dream and hiding the sheets from their moms?
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business hammocks posted:Wouldn't they have sexy dreams and cum in their sleep? It's not a subject I've ever heard much about, but maybe they're just having regular anime dream and hiding the sheets from their moms? Maybe they don't get those, I never have. I used to think they were a joke because it seemed a patently silly idea until someone assured me that they do actually happen. Also maybe if you just eat it or something the sex power goes back inside you.
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Has anyone dunked on Aydin Paladin yet? I kept clicking links ITT and Youtube thinks I want to watch his videos now.
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business hammocks posted:Wouldn't they have sexy dreams and cum in their sleep? It's not a subject I've ever heard much about, but maybe they're just having regular anime dream and hiding the sheets from their moms? Yes, I had a devout Catholic friend and roommate in college and asked him and he said he had a wet dream like every 2 weeks.
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WampaLord posted:Yes, I had a devout Catholic friend and roommate in college and asked him and he said he had a wet dream like every 2 weeks. Whoa did I miss your new av? (I usually view the forums with avatars off) Rad!
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WampaLord posted:Yes, I had a devout Catholic friend and roommate in college and asked him and he said he had a wet dream like every 2 weeks. The current medical stuff suggests once every 3 days as the tipping point for a benefit, so we're way off otherwise. Though if people in the US actually had the ~100 encounters per year (LOL) that they say they did, it would take care of itself also. In short, love somebody 2-3 times a week, even if that person is just yourself.
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Rugoberta Munchu posted:The Neo-Nazi fascination with video games and anime is so weird to me since old school Nazis hated stuff that was modern and not European. Neo-Nazis idolizing Duke Nukem seems fitting since it's a hypermasculine relic from decades past whose most recent incarnation sucks. Also fashwave seems pointless since it's indistinguishable from regular mall music without knowing who made it. Nice cameo by the dude from They Live since misinterpreting movies is common with the alt-right crowd.
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could these people even define "white culture"? i'm a white guy and i can't think of a specific white culture. there's irish culture. or german culture. or english culture. but there's no white culture i can think of that needs preserving or defending. i know it's a dogwhistle but what would they say if you said "what's white culture?" would they just point out things that more properly go in the categories i mentioned? it's all very confusing.
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Groovelord Neato posted:could these people even define "white culture"? i'm a white guy and i can't think of a specific white culture. there's irish culture. or german culture. or english culture. but there's no white culture i can think of that needs preserving or defending. i know it's a dogwhistle but what would they say if you said "what's white culture?" would they just point out things that more properly go in the categories i mentioned? it's all very confusing. white culture: country music, racism, casseroles
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Rugoberta Munchu posted:The Neo-Nazi fascination with video games and anime is so weird to me since old school Nazis hated stuff that was modern and not European. Neo-Nazis idolizing Duke Nukem seems fitting since it's a hypermasculine relic from decades past whose most recent incarnation sucks. Also fashwave seems pointless since it's indistinguishable from regular mall music without knowing who made it. Nice cameo by the dude from They Live since misinterpreting movies is common with the alt-right crowd. I could be entirely wrong but I always felt it was a big thing of Nazis and NeoNazis to idolize/appropriate/steal other cultural symbols (and now memes) to try and make their ideology eaiser for the average person to absorb. A lot of the original Nazi iconography was stolen/appropriated, right down to the Swastika. NeoNazis appropriating Synthwave/Retrowave/Vaporwave, anime, pepe, etc. feels like an attempt to define what their culture is, even though it's just them taking stuff that already existed and getting their hateful, genocidal bullshit all over it.
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Groovelord Neato posted:could these people even define "white culture"? i'm a white guy and i can't think of a specific white culture. there's irish culture. or german culture. or english culture. but there's no white culture i can think of that needs preserving or defending. i know it's a dogwhistle but what would they say if you said "what's white culture?" would they just point out things that more properly go in the categories i mentioned? it's all very confusing. racism. it's racism.
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The anime/nazi thing is because there's more than one type of nazi. You have your actual driven white supremacists who can't loving stand anime or weebs. But then you have your 4channers who are nazi's as a flavour of nihilism. They know their lives are hosed and can't find a way out and just want to sow chaos. This is most of the keksters. They are filled with hate, being a nazi is a good a way as any to express this. And, like furries, they get free "friends" by virtue of being in a group. They have nothing to lose. No friends to alienate. Just a lot of hatred at normies/the jew controlled world. Are they fat? Do they look like they're cosplaying? Do they start crying and take off their "uniform" when confronted with counter protesters? These are the 4channers. Do they look like roided up vikings carrying assault rifles? That'll be the actual nazis. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:could these people even define "white culture"? i'm a white guy and i can't think of a specific white culture. there's irish culture. or german culture. or english culture. but there's no white culture i can think of that needs preserving or defending. i know it's a dogwhistle but what would they say if you said "what's white culture?" would they just point out things that more properly go in the categories i mentioned? it's all very confusing. there's actual "21st century white anglo american culture" which is redneck poo poo, bad food, over consumption, a love of spectacle and violence, and a piggish disdain for introspection and education but probably what these dudes would think of are borrowed idealistic cultures like "european culture" as in classical music and nude statues so we can pretend we're smarter than we are fused with pop culture which becomes white due to the inherent perspective being that of a white male, same as white males who never hung out with girls because they were too weird assume that only white males love nerd poo poo
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