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RareAcumen posted:The worst part is that they never want to avail their cosmically enlighted super brain to every part of ridiculousness in the entertainment. Arkham Knight is still really dumb.
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Gorn Myson posted:Its pedantry disguised as analysis. A few years ago I was thinking of doing a piss-take of that kind of perspective by taking movies beloved by nerds, nit-picking them to death and then declaring that they're a worthless addition to any culture. Then I realised that it'd be a total slog because its extremely easy to do, its incredibly boring and is utterly joyless. Plus that wouldn't really be a piss-take (at least, not of CinemaSins in particular) since a lot of CinemaSins' videos are already about movies beloved by nerds. (I know you weren't really focused on them in particular in that thought, I'm just saying that this seems to be their default way of approaching any media, not just attacking stuff outside their interests. It honestly seems to sincerely be how they engage with media on their part.) Idran fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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I found this essay on the cinematography of master director Niel Breen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS98pUd7Cbg
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CelticPredator posted:Riffing can be bad if not worse. It's also impossible to be funny if you don't have jokes already written out or thought of before hand. Improv riffing can be funny, but it is much harder to pull off. Neeksy posted:In other words, it's using an arbitrary set of standards against which they ding the movie every time it violates said standards. None of the errors attack the central conceits of the films they criticize, they're surface-level nitpicks built around making the author appear deeply discerning rather than just thick. The thing that annoys me regarding Cinemasins is that their ignorance of movies is sometimes put upon. They can question why something happened in one moment, and then down the road, they betray in another "joke" that they knew the reason why first thing happened. To me, that kind of "feigned ignorance for a joke" style of critique just shows you have nothing funny to contribute.
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RareAcumen posted:The worst part is that they never want to avail their cosmically enlighted super brain to every part of ridiculousness in the entertainment.
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"Batman doesn't kill people" always seemed like a bizarre trait for basically every adaptation to latch onto. He's a superhero. Most of the popular ones don't. It's not even weird.
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It always worked a lot stronger for Superman because it gave him a real limitation.
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Robotic Folksinger posted:I found this essay on the cinematography of master director Niel Breen: This is a shockingly brutal teardown of how shallow most film criticism on Youtube is. Rossatron is the absolute worst for this, and how he constantly talks about "action" as if that means anything on its own.
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Mokinokaro posted:It always worked a lot stronger for Superman because it gave him a real limitation. Tell that to Zod's snapped neck
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Pants Donkey posted:That's accepted fantasy versus continued stretching of disbelief. Like, the whole not-killing-dudes thing is core to the Batman mythos, so when you constant find excuses for a villain or crook to not be dead, it starts to feel tacked on and without real purpose. A mutant bat doesn't violate that core of the character. Batman doing something that could quite easily kill a person, but the dude lucked out, starts to erode at your disbelief. I'm pointing out that they're things that aren't realistic meanwhile the other unrealistic factors in the game just seem to get glossed over. Like someone else mentioned about there being no sound in space so space fights in Star Wars make no sense. Pedantic nitpickery like that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXZgJ8hWoQk uuuuuunnnnngggghhhhghghghggghhhh white people
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Mokinokaro posted:It always worked a lot stronger for Superman because it gave him a real limitation. Isn't that also the point for Batman? He's a genius strategist and tactician with iron-hard conviction and the wealth of a small nation. Not killing isn't just proof of his morality, but a form of submission, a way to show that for all his power, he still leaves the actual punishment of the people he catches up to the law of the land.
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Darth Walrus posted:Isn't that also the point for Batman? He's a genius strategist and tactician with iron-hard conviction and the wealth of a small nation. Not killing isn't just proof of his morality, but a form of submission, a way to show that for all his power, he still leaves the actual punishment of the people he catches up to the law of the land. Nah we're all full full fash now, this billionaire should just indiscriminately murder people on the streets of gotham to show how dedicated he is to serving his city. Really trying to solve crime without slaughtering endless reams of purse snatchers and petty crooks is unrealistic and silly, and not an idea we should promote in our superheros for children. Maybe rename him BatDuterte?
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Darth Walrus posted:Isn't that also the point for Batman? He's a genius strategist and tactician with iron-hard conviction and the wealth of a small nation. Not killing isn't just proof of his morality, but a form of submission, a way to show that for all his power, he still leaves the actual punishment of the people he catches up to the law of the land. It should be, but the Batman comics seem to love making him go full on fascist from time to time.
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I don't know anyone who wants Batman to kill everyone. It's The Joker people are tired of and think the excuses for him still being alive are bullshit. Like that Punisher/Batman crossover written by notable Batman and Punisher write Chuck Dixon had Batman tell Th Joker to run away so Frank couldn't kill him.
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXZgJ8hWoQk loving white people  god they deserve to be put in camps
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Batman without the no-kill policy pretty much turns into Punisher but less interesting.
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Yardbomb posted:Batman without the no-kill policy pretty much turns into Punisher but less interesting. The exception being Terry's time as Batman. He would just loving murder people outright, but he was also a member of the underclass fighting evil CEO's in a cyberpunk gotham. 
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Playstation 4 posted:But enough about Doug Walker Does anyone know when the next episodes of Pop Quiz Hotshot are airing?
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:loving white people What the hell? 
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I remember there being a humor article (I think it was on GameSpy), where they were poking fun of Batman: Arkham Asylum, because there was a thing with the enemy models (not sure if it was intentional or not) where upon being knocked out, they clutch their head in their hands. The joke they made was, "Batman might not kill people, but he rather he beats them up so badly that they end up in a vegetative state." EDIT: Ah, here it is: https://web.archive.org/web/20100312034640/http://www.gamespy.com:80/articles/105/1051048p2.html GameSpy - Humor | Stupid Moments in Videogame Design posted:Batman is a comic book character with one hang-up: using guns. He doesn't like killing people... Well, unless we're talking about the movie Batmans, who got throwing people off buildings down to a science. Oh, and a bunch of videogame Batmans actually did carry guns, and shot people with them. So maybe that no-guns rule isn't particularly well-kept. Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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Batman and Superman don't kill for moral reasons, ffs. Supes won't kill because he has the ability not to and with no limits he will do anything he can to preserve lufe, when taking it is so easy. Batman doesn't kill to set himself apart from criminals because he walks a super fine line between being a vigilante and just another crook. Killing, especially with guns, represents a failure on his part. It's also important to realize these are only justifications the characters give themselves, not some blanket statement for all heroes. Batman is a crazy person who rationalizes non lethal combat by not using guns no matter how hosed up his targets get in the process.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:loving white people Yeah
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People don't really care about whether or not Superman or Batman kill people so much as they care how comfortable or uncomfortable it is, since they have long histories of no-kill codes that stick to people's minds. The key to all of this is that it's only ever these two characters who get this treatment. No one cares that Nolan's Batman killed Harvey Dent or Talia, because it's presented in a matter-of-fact, non-sensationalist manner that rather glosses over the fact what happened. It's simply not a big deal. In contrast people object to Batman leaving Ra's al-Ghul to die because it's so obviously contrived and is a big dramatic moment. And of course you can tell Zod's snapped neck about Superman's no-killing code. Every other superhero is a moot point because people don't care (see all the complaints about Wonder Woman killing).
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Arcsquad12 posted:Batman and Superman don't kill for moral reasons, ffs. Supes won't kill because he has the ability not to and with no limits he will do anything he can to preserve lufe, when taking it is so easy. Actually the whole thing with not using guns is derived from his parents being gunned down in an alleyway  .
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Actually the reason he doesn't use guns is due to a lawsuit threatened by the publishers of the Shadow comic.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:loving white people That happened once. It was called Fyre Fest, and it was a beautiful train wreck.
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not really critic specific i guess, but h3h3 won the lawsuit matt hoss brought against them and the judge called the case a quintessential example of fair use. this is a huge win for fair use (that will nevertheless be ignored by any number of larger companies who falsely issue takedowns on things that should fall under fair use).
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Well, Actual Lawyer Leonard French did an hour+ long stream earlier today, reading/talking about the decision. It's a bit interesting, to me at least, to consider a copyright attorney as an internet reviewer because he reviews current court cases and talks about US law, but I'd still say it counts.
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financially racist posted:not really critic specific i guess, but h3h3 won the lawsuit matt hoss brought against them and the judge called the case a quintessential example of fair use. this is a huge win for fair use (that will nevertheless be ignored by any number of larger companies who falsely issue takedowns on things that should fall under fair use). THis was one of the dudes who ran the CS:GO Gambling site, right?
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Dragonatrix posted:Well, Actual Lawyer Leonard French did an hour+ long stream earlier today, reading/talking about the decision. It's a bit interesting, to me at least, to consider a copyright attorney as an internet reviewer because he reviews current court cases and talks about US law, but I'd still say it counts. leonard french rules and i think he should count for this thread due to his knowledge of copyright law and the importance of fair use in internet culture right now. haven't watched his video on this yet but will. BigRed0427 posted:THis was one of the dudes who ran the CS:GO Gambling site, right? i don't think so, no. matt hoss is just some idiot who makes bad videos and sued h3h3 when they took one of his videos and showed how dumb and bad it was and how the guy is a hugely misogynistic shitbag. i know nothing about h3h3 other than they are apparently also kind of dumb for their own reasons but them winning this case is a good thing regardless.
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H3h3 owns actually. Sorry to break it to you like this.
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sexpig by night posted:yea h3h3 sucks super hard but he was 100% in the right in that case Ethan amuses me because he has to be one of the most Israeli-sounding non-Israelis I've ever heard. Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10BxccZP1kE That aged.. poorly..
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Youtubers who are otherwise pretty ok very quickly become giant shitbags when their fellow youtubers become victims of...normal journalism! (scare chord)
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They're actually friends with these people. Like, they know each other and hang out.
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CelticPredator posted:They're actually friends with these people. Like, they know each other and hang out. That makes it worse really.
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You've never had friends you've known for years start spouting poo poo you never saw coming?
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What does that have to do with anything.
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