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Koopa Kid posted:The league always had the power to just reject the backdiving contracts in the first place though, it's not like their hands were tied. I'm not sure they really did. They couldn't set strict contract limits without re-negotiating the CBA and a lot of the back-diving contracts sort of looked ok if you squinted at them right. Like, Crosby for 12 years at age 25, that seems vaguely reasonable. The NHLPA would have been appealing some of those rejections and they would have gone to arbitration or something. The Kovalchuk contract was just completely nuts enough that they had to reject it, and then that set sort of an unfortunately low standard. edit: I forgot that they sort of blessed all the post-Kovalchuk contracts https://www.nhl.com/news/kovy-deal-registered-as-nhl-nhlpa-reach-settlement/c-536524 Thufir fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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Zodijackylite posted:I just think that retroactively applying rules like this is really lovely. On the other hand, the Red Wings' cap situation is such a mess that this will probably help force the inevitable for the team, and probably Ken Holland, too. A Typical Goon posted:I don't see them getting rid of recapture penalty cause it would end up with the players getting more than their 50% share and the owners would never do that even if the GMs are down The NHL was pushing for this, not the players. The NHL is the owners. They didn't accidentally add this during the last lockout & CBA negotiations.
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Aug 22, 2017 21:36
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Jordan7hm posted:The NHL was pushing for this, not the players. The NHL is the owners. They didn't accidentally add this during the last lockout & CBA negotiations. Though I bet certain owners are super pissed about it.
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Aug 22, 2017 21:37
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yes there are always lovely old boy owners like jacobs etc that are the main voices behind whining about how things aren't fair and they need to gently caress everyone else over
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Aug 22, 2017 21:55
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Thufir posted:I'm not sure they really did. They couldn't set strict contract limits without re-negotiating the CBA and a lot of the back-diving contracts sort of looked ok if you squinted at them right. Like, Crosby for 12 years at age 25, that seems vaguely reasonable. The NHLPA would have been appealing some of those rejections and they would have gone to arbitration or something. The Kovalchuk contract was just completely nuts enough that they had to reject it, and then that set sort of an unfortunately low standard. I didn't say anything about contract limits, the league can reject a contract they think the player doesn't intend to honour as that violates the second paragraph of the standard SPC. The mechanism would have been the exact same as for rejecting the Kovalchuk deal, and sure that contract was extreme but everyone knew what was happening with the Luongo, Zetterberg, and Franzen contracts. They absolutely didn't have to approve those deals.
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Aug 22, 2017 21:59
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If you don't see the cycle by now you're being obtuse. * GM's gently caress things up trying to appease owners * Things get too hosed up for business to be done * League office locks out, hosed up rules removed * New loopholes found * GM's gently caress things up trying to appease owners Nobody nowhere should be an owner's guy.
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Aug 22, 2017 22:01
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Jordan7hm posted:The NHL was pushing for this, not the players. The NHL is the owners. They didn't accidentally add this during the last lockout & CBA negotiations. It was Burke's pet rule to vindicate himself having refused to give out those contracts. He was alternate governor of the Leafs at the time, and their organization basically just wanted to get back to playing because they make money no matter what. It was a minor thing.
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Aug 22, 2017 22:31
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It's always Toronto's fault, spoiler.
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Koopa Kid posted:I didn't say anything about contract limits, the league can reject a contract they think the player doesn't intend to honour as that violates the second paragraph of the standard SPC. The mechanism would have been the exact same as for rejecting the Kovalchuk deal, and sure that contract was extreme but everyone knew what was happening with the Luongo, Zetterberg, and Franzen contracts. They absolutely didn't have to approve those deals. But even the nutso Kovalchuk one got appealed by the NHLPA, maybe the Zetterberg and Franzen ones seemed like they might have made it past an arbiter, they only backdive for 2 years and a million bucks is still a lot of money. Chris Chelios was still an active NHL-ish player! With 20/20 hindsight yeah, they should have drawn a line sooner (probably with the Hossa contract) but I could see them kinda not being sure what limits they could get away with setting.
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Aug 22, 2017 22:39
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Zodijackylite posted:It was Burke's pet rule to vindicate himself having refused to give out those contracts. He was alternate governor of the Leafs at the time, and their organization basically just wanted to get back to playing because they make money no matter what. It was a minor thing. There's no way this was just a minor thing that happened to slip by 29 owners. DOOMocrat posted:If you don't see the cycle by now you're being obtuse. GMs aren't loving anything up. Lockouts aren't about hosed up rules, they're about lowering the % of revenue being spent on labour.
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Jordan7hm posted:GMs aren't loving anything up. Lockouts aren't about hosed up rules, they're about lowering the % of revenue being spent on labour. GM's are *always* loving things up. They had to get rid of cash for players, these cap aversion deals, AHL hideaways and soon NMC's because they're spending for that edge, which leads to more cash spent on labor. All of the previous things are GM caused. And now that fringe benefits & local tax rates are an increased part of every player's decision I bet we'll see movements to legislate that away from the GM's as well. I mean, it's not a mystery why they take these risks, you're out on your rear end if you don't perform. But the teams shouldn't get it both ways either.
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Nobody is signing deals that are fifty million dollars without ownership approval. They get rid of these things because they are loopholes to allow more money into the system that ends up in the player's pockets.
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https://twitter.com/DhaliwalSports/status/900121297342021632 please be true please be true please be true
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Aug 23, 2017 00:10
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FIRE HOLLAND
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Lou please, offer sheet this poor child. Good god Fire Ken Holland.
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Aug 23, 2017 00:12
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I don't know who that reporter guy is but lol if someone as good as Athanasiou has to play in loving Russia because his team is too dumb to sign him.
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Aug 23, 2017 00:14
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yes someone please offer sheet AA so holland can use the extra pick on a guy who can't skate or score 5v5
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Aug 23, 2017 00:14
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lol if true, but im skeptical considering the source.
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Aug 23, 2017 00:21
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Dhaliwal is legit but he doesn't report a lot on markets outside of Vancouver
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grack posted:Dhaliwal is legit but he doesn't report a lot on markets outside of Vancouver which is why i question the source. kind of odd that a leak of this size would come from a beat reporter from BC.
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Welcome to RAS Teemu 
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DJExile posted:https://twitter.com/DhaliwalSports/status/900121297342021632 loving  if there's even a shred of legitimacy about this. JFC Holland 
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He probably knows quite a few people in hockey. Let's be honest - most of the hockey writers in Detroit are team mouthpieces, Exhibit A being all the hit pieces published on Mrazek prior to the expansion draft.
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Aug 23, 2017 00:29
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has there ever been a Canadian player of his caliber gently caress off to russia at his age?
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grack posted:He probably knows quite a few people in hockey. Let's be honest - most of the hockey writers in Detroit are team mouthpieces, Exhibit A being all the hit pieces published on Mrazek prior to the expansion draft. I've never read a good piece of journalism from the Detroit beat writers. The Athletic's focus on Detroit immediately became the best coverage without question. I'm not completely sold that AA can be a consistent scorer but he's so obviously better than 90% of this team. It's loving absurd if they let him go, especially for nothing, especially especially because of how much loving money they've given to total chodes.
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Yeah I just joined Athletic and their detroit crew is pretty solid
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they should have signed AA first then literally invited other teams to offer sheet tatar.
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Gio posted:has there ever been a Canadian player of his caliber gently caress off to russia at his age? This is definitely the year to do it. He becomes one of the better Olympics players and raises his profile. (Just kidding the old boys club wouldn't pick him for the team if he leaves to Russia)
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Devils go get him
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DJExile posted:https://twitter.com/DhaliwalSports/status/900121297342021632 lmao
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Gio posted:which is why i question the source. kind of odd that a leak of this size would come from a beat reporter from BC. He's as reliable a source as you can get though. I think he's trying to position himself as a major insider. Then again his major sources are all player agents and this could just be negotiating through the media.
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i am the bird posted:let him go, especially for nothing bah gawd that's ken holland's music
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ThinkTank posted:I'm a Canucks fan so obviously that's my strongest frame of reference, but I watched my team go through two miserable years where they never won and never changed their strategy or style even slightly. They stuck to the same tired breakout, the same lazy powerplay drop pass, the same high forecheck and rapid regroup into the neutral zone with absolutely no change in results. Perhaps trying a more attacking system just once to try and entertain folks would be good? Maybe don't train the youngsters (those that they bothered to use) to play the same unsuccessful, insipid play style knowing full well it doesn't work? That's why I am extremely skeptical about the hiring of Travis Green. I also cannot figure out how Desjardins never lost the room playing this godawfully predictable system and abysmal power play. My guess is the locker room culture is closely governed by the Sedins, who have never question a coach, even that utter cretin Tortorella.
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fits posted:cant wait for the final couple years of the weber contract to start I strongly suspect Weber is gonna make his way out to Robidas island in about 4-5 years.
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give holland the chair
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According to Custance, Athanasiou has received an offer from the KHL
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Teemu Pokemon posted:According to Custance, Athanasiou has received an offer from the KHL lmao
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i would still assume this is just being used as leverage in contract negotiations and he'll invariably end up signing with the Wings. good on him, as far as i'm concerned. gently caress ken holland.
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I've spent about 20 minutes trying to figure out the Wings' cap situation in Armchair GM mode, and I still can't. Looking at this right now: https://capfriendly.com/teams/redwings Send Jensen, Witkowski, and Sproul to the AHL. Jensen might get picked up by a team with cap space as a #7. Keep Svechnikov and Rasmussen in the NHL. Franzen to LTIR before the season. Don't sign AA. The team could still go over the cap from Larkin and Rasmussen's performance bonuses, even if they don't sign AA and Franzen's cap hit vanishes. That's with 12F/6D/2G Basically every player with any trade value has a NTC, except Zetterberg and Tatar and the guys on ELCs. 
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Performance bonuses count against next year's cap, no?
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