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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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I hate to be pedantic but a human being and fascio are basically the same thing, so it's rather inaccurate to have a sign proclaiming that faggots hate fascists
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JFairfax posted:I hate to be pedantic but a human being and fascio are basically the same thing, so it's rather inaccurate to have a sign proclaiming that faggots hate fascists Today's teenagers are well-educated enough to have deployed this irony in their choice of slogan. See also the bundles of sticks piled outside Glasgow Sheriff Court earlier.
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Aug 22, 2017 00:51
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Juliet Whisky posted:To the second point -- you're confusing people who undoubtedly anticipated the possibility of arrest with a kid on their first Pride Parade who thought they were safe to express themselves in Glasgow. The 16-year-old was holding a placard well away from the protest at the commencement of the march. So to be clear, your complaint is that police are anti lgbt because they arrested someone who had a banner with "faggots" on it ? at pride ? quote:direct action
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Aug 22, 2017 00:57
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hurrrrr the word "human being" is ALWAYS homophobic, even when being used positively in a reclamatory sense by an lgbt person themselves beep boop what is intent?
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Aug 22, 2017 01:28
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do we know if the police were acting on complaints?
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Aug 22, 2017 01:40
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I wonder what the online harassment was. I'm hoping it's stalkish behavior and not him being an rear end in a top hat/dumbass online considering the last time Police Scotland arrested someone for something stupid online was over the nazi pug video.Pissflaps posted:I'm not sure if that young man is ready to fight fascism if this encounter left him in tears. I don't think people who are afraid or react being upset from confrontation should be out there fighting fascism to begin with. At least not physcially anyways. JFairfax posted:do we know if the police were acting on complaints? That's what I'm wondering too. I'm also wondering what the first responce was to the anti-police signs and poo poo were and how long it took before the police/security decied to get physical.
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Aug 22, 2017 02:10
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jre posted:Oh right, so we're suddenly not talking about the people lying in front of the march now because your realise how stupid that made you look. I've been checked by police for the content or positioning of banners several times and always been offered the opportunity to take correcive action (on threat of arrest). On direct action, let's compare and contrast the Bairns not Bombs mass action at Faslane a couple of years ago: four hundred demonstrators, about half of whom took arrestable action. Thirty-odd arrests, everyone was released very quickly with none held overnight, three prosecutions followed, and I think two guilty pleas out of expediency and one case thrown out of court. That's for two hundred people doing much the same thing. I don't know that anyone was cuffed at all even though many of those arrested were using passive resistance, and the only complaints I remember against police stemmed from the Ministry of Defence refusing Police Scotland the use of their facilities. That's the same force dealing with people doing much the same thing and more-or-less everyone was happy with the proceedings overall. I am going to be all controversial and suggest that the difference is that the anti-nuclear campaign is supported by all of civic society as well as the wider population in Scotland (and generally presents as middle-class), and that different rules apply for more marginalised groups with explicitly radical politics. JFairfax posted:do we know if the police were acting on complaints? Yes, from the Pride organisers. For sure anyone offended could have gone over to register their concern -- one of my friends might have done so if we'd arrived a little earlier -- but instead it went straight to the police who weighed in with no notice or negotiation.
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Aug 22, 2017 02:23
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Bathman speaks: according to him, "The alleged events relate entirely to some tweets from our Twitter account, none of which have been deleted and all of which are still publicly visible." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-41009988 Whether you hate him with patriotic zeal, faithfully repost his entire output with patriotic zeal, or just think he's the worst contributor to his own website, there is a possibility that someone who didn't gain satisfaction from Twitter's anti-harassment policy has tried their luck with the police instead as they slowly shrank etc. Of course, he could also be misrepresenting the allegations against him, and Twitter's anti-harassment policy is notoriously weak as gently caress. I'm curious about the guy's history here; what was his handle? Sorry for scratching the thread's old wounds. e: actually, maybe the vile cybernat horde is in at least some extent a real thing and WoS is being blamed for picking its targets. Wouldn't that be on the individuals who misbehaved though? Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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Aug 22, 2017 17:18
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He's never posted on SA AFAIK. As you've mentioned it's not just what he's said personally, it's also the targeted harassment of a person by somebody using their large number of followers. Not sure if that has any mileage legally of course but it is his MO.
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Aug 22, 2017 18:48
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jre posted:
I see you're still a oval office.
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Aug 22, 2017 19:27
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pride is too mainstream say angsty teenagers
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jre posted:So to be clear, your complaint is that police are anti lgbt because they arrested someone who had a banner with "faggots" on it ? at pride ?
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Aug 22, 2017 20:25
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Hoops posted:Can you expand on what you mean here? Because as it reads on the face of it you've got this 100% wrong in an insane way. The police arrested the "antifa" 16 year old and charged him with homophobic breach of the peace because they (wrongly) thought his banner with "these faggots" on it was a protest against gay rights. Juliet Whisky posted:Both were thrown in the cells and charged with homophobically-aggravated breach of the peace; So the police saw someone they they thought was a bigot with hate speech on a banner and arrested them. 3 other people tried to disrupt the march by running in front of it refusing to move, the police quite reasonably removed them. Juliet Whisky is saying that this proves the police's burning hated of all lgbt people because .....
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Aug 22, 2017 20:38
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sounds like the idiot 16 year old should have had a sign saying 'This human being' not 'These Faggots' imho
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Aug 22, 2017 20:41
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gently caress the police imo.
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Aug 22, 2017 20:52
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jre posted:Juliet Whisky is saying that this proves the police's burning hated of all lgbt people because ..... I never said that. I suspect the police realised pretty quickly that they had hosed up in a heavy-duty way, and chose to deal with it by confounding possible civil consequences via giving a youngster an experience they'd rather forget and putting someone else on the defensive by charging him with resisting his own arrest, and obstructing the teenager's arrest, for an offence which they now concede didn't happen. e: snatching kids from Pride, imprisoning them, and taking them to court is never going to be cool for anyone who cares about LGBT rights. Also the way the picket at the start of the parade was handled contrasts with my experience at other events, as described above. Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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Aug 22, 2017 21:24
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Juliet Whisky posted:I never said that. . Juliet Whisky posted:(Pride began as a protest against police brutality), three persons from the Free Pride movement were arrested for peacefully being in the road as the Parade moved off. In return, the police showed that they too would like to go back to the good old days, tackling the protestors to the ground and locking them up for breach of the peace. Juliet Whisky posted:. I am going to be all controversial and suggest that the difference is that the anti-nuclear campaign is supported by all of civic society as well as the wider population in Scotland (and generally presents as middle-class), and that different rules apply for more marginalised groups with explicitly radical politics.
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Aug 22, 2017 21:37
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jre posted:things I said I don't see why you think this is a contradiction. It's nice and all that you want to defend power against truth but your boss probably doesn't read these forums. If they do: this one will definitely work overtime, for nothing, for you! Meanwhile I have nothing more on this for the moment, though other folk are running now the ball's been kicked.
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Aug 22, 2017 22:01
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I'm going to ask the polis to arrest the next Celtic fan who calls himself a fenian, then cheer on the po-po as they wade in and do my bidding in the name of anti-sectarianism. Looking forward to jre's support on this matter.
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Aug 22, 2017 22:52
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BisonDollah posted:I'm going to ask the polis to arrest the next Celtic fan who calls himself a fenian, then cheer on the po-po as they wade in and do my bidding in the name of anti-sectarianism. Looking forward to jre's support on this matter. So to be clear, you also support accusing the police who were protecting the pride march of queer bashing ? Because that's exactly what he did before he had go because it's after his bed time.
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Aug 22, 2017 23:01
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jre posted:So to be clear, you also support accusing the police who were protecting the pride march of queer bashing ? Sorry, not been really interested in the ins and outs of this particular argument in the SOMETHINGAWFUL FORUMS but saw you saying some stupid poo poo and thought I'd throw my oar in. Hope you take some time to have a wee rethink, if not, gently caress ye.
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Aug 22, 2017 23:31
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jre posted:queer bashing Assuming you're posting from Scotland, you've just committed a similar offence to the one alleged against the young person you seemingly hate so much. Anyway: what else is happening this week? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-41011648 Centrist government continues to demonstrate competence, apparently. e: spelling
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Aug 23, 2017 17:36
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Nationalists are furious about it.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:46
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Juliet Whisky posted:Assuming you're posting from Scotland, you've just committed a similar offence I'd be interested to hear how you commit a breach of the peace by posting on a forum. To head off your inevitable stupid follow up, it really obviously doesn't breach the offensive communication act either. quote:to the one alleged against the young person you seemingly hate so much. I don't have any animosity towards him, and he'll have learned a good lesson that 1. It's not a great idea to have a banner calling other people "these faggots" 2. If you are going to do that, the intent should be unambiguous enough for anyone to grasp My problem is with idiots like yourself trivialising what people went through to get equality by comparing what the police did at the weekend to "the bad old days" Pissflaps posted:Nationalists are furious about it. Quote this every day.
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Aug 23, 2017 18:58
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jre posted:I'd be interested to hear how you commit a breach of the peace by posting on a forum. To head off your inevitable stupid follow up, it really obviously doesn't breach the offensive communication act either. Oh goody. I hadnt noticed you'd started posting in here as well as flaps.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:53
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mehall posted:Oh goody. Hes posted in this thread for years in its various guises. You're not very attentive if you've just noticed.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:00
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Aramoro posted:Hes posted in this thread for years in its various guises. You're not very attentive if you've just noticed. That's entirely fair tbh.
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Aug 24, 2017 13:36
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So does Corbyn not realise that Scots Law is a thing or does he just want to do away with it so that labour laws can be controlled from Westminster, in direct contradiction to the STUC's wishes?
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Aug 28, 2017 15:00
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Coohoolin posted:So does Corbyn not realise that Scots Law is a thing or does he just want to do away with it so that labour laws can be controlled from Westminster, in direct contradiction to the STUC's wishes? I take it you're referring to this article? Because you're leaving out a whole bunch of context: quote:In the question and answer session with members of the audience Mr Corbyn was asked whether the party would consider fine tuning its policies further in a federalist way to reflect the nations that voted remain in the EU referendum.
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Aug 28, 2017 17:27
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I think the Cybernat outrage is predictably tedious but it's a pretty poorly worded statement nonetheless.
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Aug 28, 2017 17:33
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Coohoolin posted:So does Corbyn not realise that Scots Law is a thing or does he just want to do away with it so that labour laws can be controlled from Westminster, in direct contradiction to the STUC's wishes? Pick one: full Communism imposed on Scotland from Westminster or eternal neo-liberal government in Holyrood.
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Aug 28, 2017 18:21
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Possibly of interest to some people here: “Identifying Dietary Differences Between Scotland and England: a Rapid Review of the Literature.” Surprisingly the words "deep fried mar bar" and "square sausage" don't appear. Less surprising are the conclusions, which, with qualifications, tend to back up certain long-held stereotypes and assumptions which I imagine everyone here would have probably guessed if asked, but valuable nonetheless. Essentially, Scotland has a poorer diet, on average, than England, and poor diet is linked to deprivation "In general, there were lower intakes of fruit and vegetables, vitamins and fibre in Scotland compared with England..... It is recognised that dietary quality is poorer in populations experiencing higher levels of deprivation. In addition, dietary differences exist with regard to age and gender"
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Aug 29, 2017 09:57
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forkboy84 posted:I think the Cybernat outrage is predictably tedious but it's a pretty poorly worded statement nonetheless. Yeah, it's true that we have an entirely separate legal system with major differences in terms of its underlying logic and history, but it's not true that this actually presents a barrier to economic integration and growth in the way that regulatory barriers or divergence in immigration policy would. All of the big, important stuff is dealt with at the UK or EU level (which is kind of the point of independence). Corbyn on Scotland always sounds either clumsy, or like he is repeating Scottish Labour line verbatim. Welsh Labour's tepid, centrist management of it's corner of the country is also unfortunate. The SNP are using it as a tool to attack him and it pretty much confirms that Dugdale et al would be governing us in the same way.
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Aug 29, 2017 16:07
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Dugdale no more https://twitter.com/jamesmatthewsky/status/902643940863696896 EDIT: Beeb has it now https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/902646519156940800
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Aug 29, 2017 22:38
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Time for Skeletor's big return.
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Aug 29, 2017 22:50
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Leggsy posted:Dugdale no more How long was she leader for ? 2 years ?
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Aug 29, 2017 22:54
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jre posted:How long was she leader for ? 2 years ? Yeah, and a couple of weeks. No great surprise she's stepping down, for a whole host of reasons. I wish her luck - her heart's in the right place.
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Aug 29, 2017 23:00
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Take direct control Jeremy. We'll want a Scottish autonomous republic in the inevitable future Union of British Socialist Republics.
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Aug 29, 2017 23:00
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well I wasn't expecting that now of all times, seems a bit out of nowhere then again I guess there's not any elections coming up (that we know of, hurry up and collapse your govt plz theresa) so it kinda makes sense i guess still i hope there's some idea in the party of who's willing/able to replace her and we're not up for another game of Depose The Current Leader Without Particularly Thinking It Through, I'd like to think there's someone somewhere in this countrylet with a plan that's at least half-baked
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Aug 29, 2017 23:29
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Welp, this is going to be fun! Bets gentlemen?
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Aug 29, 2017 23:59
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jre posted:How long was she leader for ? 2 years ? Yup, she was elected a few of weeks before Jeremy Corbyn was, the Scottish leadership election happened before the Corbyn campaign really had most of its momentum behind it so the result wasn't impacted by the surge in membership. Wonder how much her resignation had to do with The Absolute Boy's recent trip up this way. Also wonder who is going to stand. Will Findlay run again? Alex Rowley? hosed if I know any other Labour MSPs. Well, The Graun's Scottish editor seems to think that "Corbynite" support will coalesce behind Anas Sarwar which is bewildering to me, but I'm not really plugged into Scottish Corbynite circles. And there's the simple reality that there's just a lower proportion of them in ScotLab compared to the rUK. Someone else has mentioned Richard Leonard who I'd honestly not heard of before. Maybe Scottish labour could merge with the Greens & just appoint Patrick Harvie as leader. Also have to say, as much as I've disagreed with Kez's direction as leader, she really got shafted by Jim Murphy. What an absolute loving disaster for Scottish Labour he was. A one man hubris mountain. https://twitter.com/St_Anderson38/status/902677814234808320 forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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