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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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40 | 13.38% |
| Where will the Pauls go |
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54 | 18.06% |
| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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41 | 13.71% |
| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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97 | 32.44% |
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Shear Modulus posted:The trade makes a lot more sense from Boston's perspective if you remember that Ainge has been acting like IT has cooties for a year and has been desperate to avoid having to sign him to a big long-term deal next offseason, originally because he was short and now also because of the injury. Ainge has hated Isaiah since he brought up wanting a "Brinks truck" of money 2 years ago. Was never going to happen
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Aug 23, 2017 05:58
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predicto posted:My wife is a Celtics fan and she keeps asking me for reassurance that this trade isn't as bad as it looks and I don't know what to say and my marriage is in peril help me guys I'm guessing the peril part is a joke, because if trade reassurance could seriously impact it, then that makes me really sad. 
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Aug 23, 2017 05:59
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predicto posted:My wife is a Celtics fan and she keeps asking me for reassurance that this trade isn't as bad as it looks and I don't know what to say and my marriage is in peril help me guys Just show her this https://youtu.be/Wcz_kDCBTBk
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Aug 23, 2017 06:00
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Doltos posted:I don't think it is. Kyrie's just plain better than Isaiah and the rest of those pieces probably wouldn't get them a championship. The Brooklyn pick isn't a guaranteed #1, and a #1 pick isn't a guaranteed all star. Jae Crowder was valuable but he's a supporting piece and was blocking Tatum and Brown playing time. Zizic is just whatever. I used this. It seems to be working. I used to think it was a good thing to have a spouse who is totally into the NBA (even if it is the Celtics)
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Aug 23, 2017 06:00
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SourKraut posted:I'm guessing the peril part is a joke, because if trade reassurance could seriously impact it, then that makes me really sad. Internet hyperbole my friend We have a great 25 year marriage and we NBA together even though she doesnt love my Warriors like any normal person should
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Aug 23, 2017 06:02
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predicto posted:Internet hyperbole my friend Oh good! Sorry, my infant son has been sick the last few days = negligible sleep for me, so my brain isn't working well!
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Aug 23, 2017 06:08
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lmfao jesus christ
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Aug 23, 2017 06:19
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ive nothing to add except noting 2017 has been fuckin wild
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Aug 23, 2017 06:22
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https://twitter.com/ericvdunn/status/900144475862904833
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Aug 23, 2017 06:26
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What would be cool but won't happen is Chris Bosh somehow gets medically cleared for a midseason comeback...on the Cavs with Wade.
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Aug 23, 2017 06:34
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So many people are with Clv on this trade that I think we're all gonna be wrong. Along with the injury risk for IT; Kyrie might finally break through to 30+ppg. His biggest problem is he is too focus on getting into a rhythm he is comfortable with, a coach he respects could fix that. He wasn't gonna listen to Lebrons bitch, nor open himself up to Lebrons mockery if he sided with Blatt.
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Aug 23, 2017 06:36
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Doltos posted:I don't think it is. Kyrie's just plain better than Isaiah and the rest of those pieces probably wouldn't get them a championship. The Brooklyn pick isn't a guaranteed #1, and a #1 pick isn't a guaranteed all star. Jae Crowder was valuable but he's a supporting piece and was blocking Tatum and Brown playing time. Zizic is just whatever. Kyrie isn't that much better than the IT + Crowder combo and the 2018 draft is loaded. Doncic, Porter, Bagley is a killer top 3 and the guys that can round out the top 5 aren't slouches
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Aug 23, 2017 06:41
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Spacebump posted:What would be cool but won't happen is Chris Bosh somehow gets medically cleared for a midseason comeback...on the Cavs with Wade. Imagine if Derrick Rose was Back too.
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Aug 23, 2017 06:51
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predicto posted:I used this. It seems to be working. Just out if curiosity what is Your Team
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Aug 23, 2017 06:52
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Kyrie isn't that much better than the IT + Crowder combo and the 2018 draft is loaded. Doncic, Porter, Bagley is a killer top 3 and the guys that can round out the top 5 aren't slouches Kyrie's better than an IT/Crowder combo. The top ranked recruits going into the NCAA for the last few years in order: 2016 - Josh Jackson, Lonzo Ball, Harry Giles 2015 - Ben Simmons, Skal Labisserie, Brandon Ingram 2014 - Emmanuel Mudiay, Karl Anthony-Towns, Stanley Alexander 2013 - Andrew Wiggins, Julius Randle, Andrew Harrison 2012 - Nerlens Noel, Shabazz Muhammed, Kyle Anderson It gets even better when you expand it to the top 5 and get the Cliff Alexanders and Chuck Diallos of the world.
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Aug 23, 2017 07:02
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Femur posted:So many people are with Clv on this trade that I think we're all gonna be wrong. There's virtually zero way this trade doesn't work out in their favor, even if IT never plays a single game for them.
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Aug 23, 2017 07:07
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I like this move for both teams. Both short and long term. Kyrie was a malcontent, and you knew he was gonna leave(or you would have to pay him the super special awesome max if he managed to make an All NBA team.) You are probably 85% sure gonna lose BronBron after this year. You get the Nets pick and bought your way into the Porter, Bagley, Aytton and Doncic lottery. Crowder is on a spectacular contract, and is a good all around player. The C's get a taller and better version of Isiah in Kyrie, and unblocked their young wings playing time. Gotta hope those young wings pan out tho.
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Aug 23, 2017 07:19
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I think this deal worked out for both Boston and Cleveland. Cavs are going to compete again and might be more rounded out given that Crowder does what Shump and JR do but better. The 2018 Brooklyn pick is an amazing get given they can either trade it to try and keep LeBron or at least have a potential block to build on if the rebuild happens. I think even if IT has a bum hip and can't come back until before the playoffs the Cavs will be fine. Boston basically set up its future for the next two to four seasons, and they will be the best team in the east if LeBron leaves, so I can't really say they lost the deal because it's more for the future rather than this year. And they're gonna be good this year too, the drat bastards I really hope Kyrie ups his game even further this season, it'll give more stars incentive to push for crazy trades because they want to be The Guy
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Aug 23, 2017 07:23
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Has there ever been an offseason crazier than this one? There were so many huge deals that I can't even remember them all.
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Aug 23, 2017 07:28
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Juaguocio posted:Has there ever been an offseason crazier than this one? There were so many huge deals that I can't even remember them all. This one has more drama, but last year's, along side "The Decision" year is probably more impactful.
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Aug 23, 2017 07:32
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aside: by gaining the Nets 2018 pick, this will be Cleveland's fifth lottery pick of the decade, and probably their fourth number one overall. They've been to the Finals three years in a row and won a title in between those lean years, lol
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Aug 23, 2017 07:32
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Juaguocio posted:Has there ever been an offseason crazier than this one? There were so many huge deals that I can't even remember them all. Last offseason and The Decision come to mind butthey were crazy in different ways than this one. e: Dexo posted:This one has more drama, but last year's, along side "The Decision" year is probably more impactful. Yeah the drama of the Irving trade request, Gilbert firing the GM without consulting LeBron like he's trying to get LeBron to leave, and two stars being traded for peanuts all are hilarious but really none of them change the almost inevitable Warriors-Cavs re-re-rematch Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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Aug 23, 2017 07:33
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Shear Modulus posted:Yeah the drama of the Irving trade request, Gilbert firing the GM without consulting LeBron like he's trying to get LeBron to leave, and two stars being traded for peanuts all are hilarious but really none of them change the almost inevitable Warriors-Cavs re-re-rematch Rockets bitch (That felt so weird to type)
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Aug 23, 2017 07:47
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7 all nba lvl players moved this year. Durant last year made GSW's chances from very likely, to definitely, not that impactful really to me. The decision blew up the NBA world with hate and rage.
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Aug 23, 2017 07:50
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Nice, something actually happened. Good haul for the Cavs.
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Aug 23, 2017 07:52
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Femur posted:So many people are with Clv on this trade that I think we're all gonna be wrong. Lack of scoring isn't his issue.
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Aug 23, 2017 08:21
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Femur posted:So many people are with Clv on this trade that I think we're all gonna be wrong. I feel like he's not gonna score 30 on that celtics team unless he shoots Steph amounts of 3's. He _should_ be able to fit in well if they teach him how to pass. I think there may be a fit of a learning curve. Kyrie seems like the type of dude that has to be given reads to pass well. He's not one of those instinctual dudes that just magically knows who is open. IT it gonna wreck Cleveland's defense even more. Crowder better keep his 3PT% up or he's not gonna be playable against GSW.
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Aug 23, 2017 08:29
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CharlestheHammer posted:Lack of scoring isn't his issue. It is, he could be going faster, if he doesn't dance around gathering rhythm, if can get rid of his focus on beating the dude in front of him, his offensive game will open up. Ain't nothing gonna fix his effort on the defensive side, so he's gotta score more to make up for it. I mean did you see that game 3 play where he couldn't execute a 2 for 1 situation? He can't resist. Even the Cavs downturn last year, he worried about his scoring, don't bother to fight it, just show him how he can score better. Femur fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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Aug 23, 2017 08:36
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Spite posted:. Wut. Offense doesn't matter in terms of playability vs GSW. Unplayable people against GSW are mostly bigs who can't guard pick and roll. Crowder is extremely playable against GSW
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Aug 23, 2017 08:40
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https://twitter.com/GrantGoldberg/status/900134860521525248
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Aug 23, 2017 09:49
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I love that it's all the predictable posters that think Kyrie is better than Isaiah Thomas
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Aug 23, 2017 10:50
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He is better but I'm not sure he is worth everything they gave up in the long run. For Cleveland though, you have to ask yourself if Lebron is willing to wait a couple years for that 2018 pick to develop. Lebron is great now but if Thomas struggles and the Cavs don't make the finals, Lebron might jet to form another super team elsewhere. Losing Kyrie hurts them for the immediate future.
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Aug 23, 2017 11:46
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LeBron will be leaving for the 76ers next year to trust in the process so waiting for the pick to pan out is a bit of a moot point
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Aug 23, 2017 11:51
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Juaguocio posted:Imagine if Derrick Rose was Back too. I don't have to imagine. MVP
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Aug 23, 2017 12:29
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gently caress off
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Aug 23, 2017 12:38
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Carlosologist posted:aside: by gaining the Nets 2018 pick, this will be Cleveland's fifth lottery pick of the decade, and probably their fourth number one overall. They've been to the Finals three years in a row and won a title in between those lean years, lol Even if the Nets are the worst team in the league it's only a 25% chance of #1
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Aug 23, 2017 13:12
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paternity suitor posted:Even if the Nets are the worst team in the league it's only a 25% chance of #1 It will be #1 if Lebron wants it to be #1.
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Aug 23, 2017 13:13
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Slowpoke! posted:He is better but I'm not sure he is worth everything they gave up in the long run. All indications are that LeBron is leaving no matter what, so this is pretty much irrelevant. And even in the unlikely event that they can convince him to stay, that pick (and Crowder, that matter) is a great trade asset.
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Aug 23, 2017 13:21
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Actually I think the biggest consideration in all of this is that both teams had circumstances that don't show up on paper. Kyrie wanted out of Cleveland, and in theory that should have hurt his trade value. Thomas was going into his last year and wanted a max extension, and Boston probably wasn't keen on that even before the injury. Both teams gained by unloading their PG now while they still had positive trade value. It's just a bit wonky because of all people they traded with each other, the only two teams that will likely contend in the East. paternity suitor posted:Even if the Nets are the worst team in the league it's only a 25% chance of #1 It's way too early but most people are saying 2018 draft will be comparable to 2003 in terms of depth at the top. Now that Bagley has jumped into the 2018 draft there could be three guys worthy of the top pick. Slowpoke! fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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Aug 23, 2017 13:26
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so not only did Boston give them the Nets pick and Crowder in addition to Thomas, they also helped Cleveland create a $5.8m exception to use.
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