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Doesn't Volkswagen have issues with their cars being depicted as weapons of war, or something along those lines? I wonder what made them change their minds. (money, of course, but still)
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Maybe Michael Bay went up to them and said "Well, Megan Fox called me Hitler so I guess I'm back." and they went "Oh thank God, please use our products for violence, it's been too long."
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MisterBibs posted:Doesn't Volkswagen have issues with their cars being depicted as weapons of war, or something along those lines? I wonder what made them change their minds. Maybe they're going to make it like ET or Mac and Me or something. Gloss over the war stuff, maybe make all the violence a lot more cartoonish and chasing rather than shooting and explosive and/or instead focus on a some alien robot cars on the run from the Government and we've just got to get this lost little transformer to his family. Oddly enough, this reminded me of an idea I had a number of years ago on how they should have started the TF films: Just have it start with 'Bee taking cover overnight in junkyard, molting off pieces of something that looks almost like a VW shell in shadow and finding a new car to disguise as by morning. It sort of could have been a wink and a nod to 'Bee WAS a VW" instead of just putting him next to one in a used car lot. Fart City posted:I've always wondered what it would have been like had Michael Bay and Stephen Sommers swapped directing roles on Transformers and G.I. Joe. Sommers is the big creature effects guy, having helmed stuff like The Mummy and the 1994 Jungle Book. And G.I. Joe would have given Bay the largest canvas possible on which to paint his military porn. It almost feels like each director was better suited to the opposite franchise. In relation to my above comment, I sort of wondered how the first TF film would have been if Spielberg had been director instead of just a producer on it. I sort of wonder if he would have been able to tap into more of a family story and the film would have worked better for it. I mean, if you're going to have humans all over your TF films, at least give me a reason to connect and care about them or why the robots should, either. Doing something like the Witwickys running a scrapyard or something, being sort of blue collar and not so affluent, there being some tensions in the family over a recent death, some financial issues, a kid wanting to move away for school and all that entails or something, it gives some potential to have some human problems getting compared to these huge robot ones and maybe you get a point where both these stories intersect a bit. When the robots aren't on screen, here's a human story that we can pick up a few times that maybe would have something that makes it significant to the giant robot one going on that we want to see.
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VW did ease up a few years ago and okayed an officially-licensed Masterpiece Bumblebee toy. I don't think the appearance of a Bug in the 2007 movie involved VW, though. When they made an Audi Decepticon in ROTF, the logo was hidden in the movie and toy did not carry any Audi branding (Audi is owned by VW).
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A thing I just thought about, too, is that with it being set about 20 years before the first TF film, with no reason for Megatron to be around**, no All-spark chase in the forefront and potentially no widespread big Transformer reveal/awareness to anyone in the general populace as in the later films, maybe it will be an excuse to play the film more light with sort of a sort of a Cold War spy movie tone to it. Yeah, the 'Con and 'Bots are still going at it, but it's been at a stalemate for so long, been relatively restrained to where it goes (and apparently has a massively smaller budget) but maybe at that point in the conflict it's more about just needing to be a lot more covert, to keep things more low-key. Oh, wait... What year is this movie set in? 1987? Why do I get the feeling we're going to see a cameo of Sam's parents getting married or about to have sex? (**If they're going by the previous film chronology/continuity at all.)
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The MSJ posted:VW did ease up a few years ago and okayed an officially-licensed Masterpiece Bumblebee toy. Bumblebee did turn into a VW in the World War II flashback in the latest movie.
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You can't see John Cena, so obviously he's going to be Mirage.
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MisterBibs posted:Doesn't Volkswagen have issues with their cars being depicted as weapons of war, or something along those lines? I wonder what made them change their minds. I feel like Bumblebee being one of the good-guy Transformers and the ostensible moral center of the film series might've swayed them.
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Akiva Goldsman left the 'Writer's Room'. In a maybe related news, Hasbro apparently ended talks to buy Lionsgate because of price disagreements. Another unused concept art. 
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bushisms.txt posted:Did you see this movie? I love bad movies, and enjoy the other four transformers for what they are mainly because of this thread, but the last Knight is aggressively bad. Like if you think it's just stagnation for why it's not doing as well, and you've seen the movie, I have to guess you have no actually gauge of quality when it comes to film. The last Knight is suicide squad level of nonsensical editing, which is ironic, because it's SS gathering scene is better than "Ayer's" lovely take. Yeah. People are getting over what the Transformers films represent, which is non-stop, mindless action with a plot so nonsensical you are effectively forced to ignore it - because thinking about it too hard is actually headache inducing. The previous dude who said 'imagine transformers by spielberg' actually triggered a pang of sadness in my heart, because now I want something I will likely never have. Like, I get it - I am a big dumb idiot baby who genuinely likes the robot mans, but what we got and where it eventually ended up is just depressing on so many levels. It's entertainment, sure - but it definitely isn't thought provoking or appreciable beyond novelty threads about deep seeded imaginary plot points involving megatrons robo-vagina on dead internet forums. It's me. I am the idiot who expected more.
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a cock shaped fruit posted:It's entertainment, sure - but it definitely isn't thought provoking or appreciable beyond novelty threads about deep seeded imaginary plot points involving megatrons robo-vagina on dead internet forums. All that stuff is actually in the movies, though.
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Hailee Steinfeld as the protagonist of the Bumblebee movie, Charlie. Look 1980s enough? Funny how she is the 3rd teenage girl mechanic in this movie series.
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Set pictures from the Bumblebee movie.   Also apparently Travis Knight was a less popular Marky Mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y14dDzGPFbs
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Aug 23, 2017 06:39
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Is this Bay's Herbie the Love Bug?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Is this Bay's Herbie the Love Bug? He's producing, hence the casting of Coen brother movie actor Hailee Steinfeld, but the director is Travis Knight of Laika fame.
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Am I the only one who find it hilarious that pictures of random cars on a street is a scoop of a TF movie? Given that cars are acted violently against in action movies like Marvel movies I guess it's fitting they dish out the violence back.
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a cock shaped fruit posted:
Also, that primal toy makes me want to write a spec script about Optimus devolving Earth and humanity in some hosed up operation mining for energon.
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The car is supposed to be a Decepticon. https://twitter.com/LAIKAStudios/status/910549230602788864 Beetle 'Bee in action. 
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Watching TF5 again. A lot of the fight scenes might not grab me like how some of the best ones of the series do, but I have to say, the fight at the end with the zero gravity and all the Autobots fighting Megatron, while short, might just be one of the best sequences Bay has done.
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Looks like he finally found LadiesMan217's glasses.
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I finally saw the fifth transformer, I watch these movies purely to boggle at the hidden-in-plain-sight sadism and tyranny of Optimus Prime. Let's catch up with our favorite truckalomaniac, who recently survived his exile to Mark Wahlberg's barn and flew off in a narcissistic rage to kill god. Optimus crashes into the ruins of his home planet, powerless and frozen. Note that he's still broadcasting his I'M COMING FOR YOU GOD message even while crippled, suggesting that he considers it his most vital system. He is horrified by the ruins, apparently forgetting that he caused this devastation back in movie 3, when he aborted Megatron's plan to teleport Cybertron to Earth and rebuild it using human slave labor. He meets God, who tells him it is all his fault, that she is the God of Life and has been waiting for him. Optimus, driven to rage by this assault on his moral delusions, responds with unilateral and preemptive violence, screaming 'What have you done to my home? I will kill you!' God imprisons him and calls him out on his shittiness as a leader of Cybertron. Optimus literally says "Megatron started it!" God is not impressed. Optimus says he wants redemption, which he will gain by destroying Earth to fix Cybertron. A bunch of nonsense happens. Optimus snaps out of his loyalty to God when one of his soldiers, pinned beneath his sword, volunteers to die for Optimus. Optimus remembers that he's supposed to be god, and so vows to kill God (he ultimately uses said soldier to carry out the killing). A bunch of old robots call him a traitor and nearly execute him, but his human pawn Mark Wahlberg saves him. Cybertron starts to eat Earth, killing tens of millions. Optimus and friends raid God's inner sanctum. Optimus doesn't join the battle until the humans and Decepticons have hosed each other up pretty badly, with the humans getting the worst of it. This is a favorite tactic of his. He partakes in another one of his favorite tactics too, which is the mutilation of his enemy's faces. He storms God's inner sanctum and murders her, and his humans disable the system that will destroy Earth to rebuild Cybertron. With a quiescent Cybertron now parked above Earth, Optimus beseeches the humans to ally with the Autobots to rebuild both worlds. This is exactly what Megatron wanted back in the third movie — human labor to repair Cybertron — but now Optimus is in control and the humans are his 'allies', not slaves. Optimus is a genocidal self-aggrandizing nihilist, so he will always choose to destroy a chance for Cybertron's survival in favor of preserving his own power on Earth. So far in the series he has taken out: 1. The Allspark, capable of awakening machines as new transformers 2. The sun killing device the Decepticons needed to feed their babies 3. Cybertron itself, collapsing it mid-teleport and leaving it shattered and feral 4. Whatever the gently caress that movie was about 5. God At each step he has frustrated his enemies' plans to rebuild Cybertron and give his species a future. He has also alienated his human allies, leading to the extinction of most of his own followers. In a loving shot near the end of this film, Optimus' brightly-painted truck emerges from the dust of a castoff piece of Cybertron as it crashes into green English fields. Freedom is the right of all sentient beings. General Battuta fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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General Battuta posted:So far in the series he has taken out: 4. God's chief executor and overall enforcer of the cosmic order that Optimus can not stand being beholden to. "Autobots, Decepticons, like little children... always fighting, making a mess out of the universe.... and I've got to clean it up."
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Milky Moor posted:4. God's chief executor and overall enforcer of the cosmic order that Optimus can not stand being beholden to. If I recall correctly, he kills him by stabbing him through the back (of the face?) while screaming that his opponent has no honor.
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Caros posted:If I recall correctly, he kills him by stabbing him through the back (of the face?) while screaming that his opponent has no honor. Basically! Stab in the chest and slash up through the face, bisecting him from sternum to scalp.
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And he says "honor to the end" as he stabs his foe in the back.
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General Battuta posted:And he says "honor to the end" as he stabs his foe in the back. Right, that was it. I knew it was something so ridiculous that my brain packed up shop at that point.
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Caros posted:Right, that was it. I knew it was something so ridiculous that my brain packed up shop at that point.
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I finally got around to watching 4 and 5. At the end of 4, my opinion was "the last realistic thing about this movie is that after America goes 'gently caress all Transformers, kill em all and let God sort them out,' that Russia didn't immediately offer sanctuary to the Autobots just to flip America the middle finger." I was happy to see that at least Cuba in 5 had a bit of sense in that regard. Also, if Bumblebee's been on earth since at least WW2, why is he so bad at first contact with Sam in the first movie? Why hasn't he given the others a better "welcome to earth, here's what you need to know about humans" data package? Were only some Transformers created by Quintessa while others were from the All Spark? I also want to know why that one Decepticon bothered to rob a bank only to not even take the money.
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In case you forget there's another movie next year.
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Hemingway To Go! posted:Volkswagon allows war toys now? Ever since at least 2014, I think. That's when Masterpiece Bumblebee was released. It's probably a combination of the franchise's new popularity, which lead to other European manufacturers joining it, and VW needing the PR boost after the whole emissions fraud fiasco.
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All of these Transformers films feel like they completely retcon every other film or are set in some alternate universe from the previous films. Also, if this film franchise had started just 6-7 years later, I totally believe we'd have had an ongoing GI Joe/Transformers shared universe that would alternate between franchises every 12-18 months for their cinematic releases.
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Rhyno posted:AOE is the best TF film. Hands down. False. Revenge of the Fallen is.
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Somehow I ended up watching about 1-2 minutes of the first movie a few months back and I'm actually sort of nostalgic for it considering how much I disliked it when it came out. Is it the film in the series with the 'most likeable' version of Sam?
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JediTalentAgent posted:Somehow I ended up watching about 1-2 minutes of the first movie a few months back and I'm actually sort of nostalgic for it considering how much I disliked it when it came out. Yeah, I'd say so. But the first film is pretty different in a lot of ways to the rest of the series, I feel.
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JediTalentAgent posted:Somehow I ended up watching about 1-2 minutes of the first movie a few months back and I'm actually sort of nostalgic for it considering how much I disliked it when it came out. 'Likeable,' yes, but you can still see the bitter, satiric bent of the film even in this nascent, unassuming form. Superficially, Sam is the same archetypical worm you see in a lot of teen movies, that 'oppressed' nerd whose quest for pussy is conflated with the great triumph of good over evil. But even without paying very close attention, one thing sticks out: Sam's family is loaded. His having to 'settle' for a hot muscle car is just a bog standard attempt by his father to try and not raise him like a rich douchebag. But then somehow, the moment his sort-of girlfriend questions the quality of his car (his masculinity), suddenly he's magically gifted the hot-off-the-line mean machine he originally anticipated. So Sam, in a certain sense, is 'likeable,' but the symbolic order of the film is just as obscene as what will become elaborated upon in the next two films.
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