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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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40 | 13.38% |
| Where will the Pauls go |
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54 | 18.06% |
| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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41 | 13.71% |
| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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97 | 32.44% |
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Lockback posted:Because Hayward wanted to go somewhere with more playoffs hope and a bigger market, which is what Kyrie would be walking away from. Nothing about Heyward suggests he cares about the market size (other than maybe it helps him make All NBA? But he's super private generally and I don't think he'll love more attention). He wanted an easier path to the Finals with the added bonus of getting to play for his college coach.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:00
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Shear Modulus posted:he would have to put up with the same thing about Pop in San Antonio (not to the same degree of course) There wouldn't be a paternalistic tone to it, like Pop is respected as a great coach, but Kawhi gets to stand on his own as being great, and he never gets such paternalistic questions. Pop also always deflects to his players being the reason he is such a good coach.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:00
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"Both teams win this trade" hmmm yes it's not like one of these teams specifically has to beat the other one for any semblance of progress This ain't a trade between the timberwolves and magic or something
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Aug 23, 2017 17:01
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Punkin Spunkin posted:"Both teams win this trade" hmmm yes it's not like one of these teams specifically has to beat the other one for any semblance of progress Or one of those teams can still punt this year, and next year be the best team in the East when Lebron heads west to join the Kings or something. While having a team of dudes younger than like 27/28 While the Cavs have enough to compete this year (drop off from Kyrie to Isiah in the short term) isn't that dramatic, and adding a 3/D role player adds to a garbage bench.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:05
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MourningView posted:Nothing about Heyward suggests he cares about the market size (other than maybe it helps him make All NBA? But he's super private generally and I don't think he'll love more attention). He wanted an easier path to the Finals with the added bonus of getting to play for his college coach. He was just trying to get a better ping, he's 500 miles closer to the LoL servers now.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:08
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euphronius posted:Boston was not on the list of teams is a big fact Lol. It's not 1952 anymore.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:09
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Lol. It's not 1952 anymore. 
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Aug 23, 2017 17:11
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That really is a hell of a thing to say in this time and this place.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:12
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I feel like Celtics would better off giving Cavs Tatum instead of the pick which could have been Michael Porter Jr or Marvin Bagley III.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:15
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Redgrendel2001 posted:If anyone is wondering, Jon Jones tested positive.  ? Because his teammates, i.e. everyone around him hated him. He was probably hf autistic or aspergers
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Aug 23, 2017 17:15
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Lol. It's not 1952 anymore. Ask Adam Jones about it
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Aug 23, 2017 17:18
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Dexo posted:That really is a hell of a thing to say in this time and this place. It's really not and the "Boston is racist" schtick is really tiresome at this point.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:25
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hah 500 missed posts means a cool trade happened
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Aug 23, 2017 17:25
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Redgrendel2001 posted:It's really not and the "Boston is racist" schtick is really tiresome at this point. https://mobile.twitter.com/eboland11/status/859493148438999040
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Aug 23, 2017 17:27
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Red Sox fans are the worst of the worst but dedicated Celtics fans seem to be marginally better, maybe I just think that to make myself feel better though.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:30
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Redgrendel2001 posted:It's really not and the "Boston is racist" schtick is really tiresome at this point. *looks at red text*  "schtick" aside, Like countless numbers of players have talked about how they have only been called racial slurs at games in Boston.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:31
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Folks, everywhere is racist.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:32
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Pelican fans are terrible and are quick to both hate and love players for the dumbest loving reasons. They are also terribly short-sighted and not very understanding of circumstances. Actually, they are like every other fanbase: horrible.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:33
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Cool Buff Man posted:Red Sox fans are the worst of the worst but dedicated Celtics fans seem to be marginally better, maybe I just think that to make myself feel better though. NBA fans generally are better about that type of stuff, as the NBA is a majority black sport, You are also closer to players and thus have to in theory worry about retaliation or directly being called out. rather than being nameless faceless assholes screaming from the stands in baseball. zoux posted:Folks, everywhere is racist. Mostly this, but Boston just has that little extra bit of spice.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:34
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Cool Buff Man posted:Red Sox fans are the worst of the worst but dedicated Celtics fans seem to be marginally better, maybe I just think that to make myself feel better though. They're too busy pointing at the banners in the rafters and counting them for you to notice skin color IMO.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:35
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Dexo posted:*looks at red text* iirc it was from the year where the sixers almost broke the single season loss record too
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Aug 23, 2017 17:36
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MourningView posted:Nothing about Heyward suggests he cares about the market size (other than maybe it helps him make All NBA? But he's super private generally and I don't think he'll love more attention). He wanted an easier path to the Finals with the added bonus of getting to play for his college coach. Well he was considering Boston and Miami, which sounds a lot like someone motivated by market. He also said himself the fact that Boston is Boston. I think the coach and the fact they have all those pieces was the biggest reason, but I think he also wanted to go somewhere bigger in a basketball sense. hayward posted:There were so many great things pulling me in that direction. There was the winning culture of Boston, as a city — from the Sox, to the Pats, to the Bruins. There was the special history of the Celtics, as a franchise — from Russell, to Bird, to Pierce, and it goes on. There was the amazing potential of this current Celtics team — from ownership, to the front office, to a talented roster with Isaiah, and Al, and everyone else.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:37
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Dexo posted:It's also just a general respect thing. I agree, that's a big deal to a guy like him.* The fact that LeBron is the defacto GM and didn't express outrage when CLE offered him in trade, that came up not too long ago too. *I mean, part of him believes he really is Uncle Drew, who is old enough to have schooled LeBron. /bb psychology
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Aug 23, 2017 17:42
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Dexo posted:Mostly this, but Boston just has that little extra bit of spice. Ironic given all the white people  Wait is that racist
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Aug 23, 2017 17:50
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Lockback posted:Well he was considering Boston and Miami, which sounds a lot like someone motivated by market. He also said himself the fact that Boston is Boston. I think the coach and the fact they have all those pieces was the biggest reason, but I think he also wanted to go somewhere bigger in a basketball sense. That seems more like he wants to play for a team with a history of good management and a winning culture (which Miami under Riley also has a rep for) than him caring about the market.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:51
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As a person who lives in Boston it is an incredibly segregated city and continues to be incredibly bad because of a horribly segregated school system. There are neighborhoods in the city that are so white that you can barely look at them without hurting your eyes. This segregation is going to get worse and worse as long as development companies continue building condos and luxury apartments in neighborhoods that actually need more affordable housing more than anything else. And that doesn't even begin to get into the trash that live in Revere and Quincy who's families resent minorities of all types for pushing them out of the city and into the burbs.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:52
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Paul Zuvella posted:As a person who lives in Boston it is an incredibly segregated city and continues to be incredibly bad because of a horribly segregated school system. There are neighborhoods in the city that are so white that you can barely look at them without hurting your eyes. This segregation is going to get worse and worse as long as development companies continue building condos and luxury apartments in neighborhoods that actually need more affordable housing more than anything else. That's not even a boston thing, that's an every goddamn city in this country thing, Chicago already showed the blueprint for how you successfully segregate the hell out of a city and get away with it.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:53
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Mr. Mambold posted:I agree, that's a big deal to a guy like him.* The fact that LeBron is the defacto GM and didn't express outrage when CLE offered him in trade, that came up not too long ago too. It's serious. I used to put no stock in intangibles in sports. I was forced to take a sports psychology class and I went into it thinking it was all bunkum. But the studies are there. People just plain perform better when they believe in themselves. At the end of the day a sports team is still a job. It's not easy to go into your job knowing that there's a loud mouth next to you running the shots and keeping you from getting 'promoted'.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:57
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Paul Zuvella posted:As a person who lives in Boston it is an incredibly segregated city and continues to be incredibly bad because of a horribly segregated school system. There are neighborhoods in the city that are so white that you can barely look at them without hurting your eyes. This segregation is going to get worse and worse as long as development companies continue building condos and luxury apartments in neighborhoods that actually need more affordable housing more than anything else. Dexo posted:That's not even a boston thing, that's an every goddamn city in this country thing, Chicago already showed the blueprint for how you successfully segregate the hell out of a city and get away with it. Exactly. Welcome to literally every city in the United States.
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Aug 23, 2017 17:59
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Let it be known that I understand that his is a nationwide issue, Boston just seems to be an extremely toxic case. I really don't know why. Maybe because it is was a hub for Irish and Italian migrants in the late 19th/earliest 20th century who were similarly discriminated against and they are simply kicking the can down the line? There are probably ton's of studies on the exact reasons why.
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Aug 23, 2017 18:01
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Boston was the place where a dude attempted to spear someone with the American flag over busing black kids. Y'all should read The Shame of the Nation: The Restoration of Apartheid Schooling in America by Johnathan Kozol. Teacher from Boston who also wrote Death at an Early Age and Savage Inequalities. Should read all of them they're good but you'll need to drink to get over the despair you'll feel.
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Aug 23, 2017 18:01
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AggressivelyStupid posted:Boston was the place where a dude attempted to spear someone with the American flag over busing black kids. Ooh, I should read this book. The desegregation of the Boston Public School system is one of the most bizarre and depressing things in US history.
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Aug 23, 2017 18:06
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As a Boston fan, I'm okay with this trade. Call me crazy but I think Brooklyn will do better than last year if healthy.
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Aug 23, 2017 18:07
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Dexo posted:That's not even a boston thing, that's an every goddamn city in this country thing, Chicago already showed the blueprint for how you successfully segregate the hell out of a city and get away with it. Boston and Chicago are both much worse than most cities. Moving out of Chicago was eye opening, though you are right it does exist to an extent everywhere.
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Aug 23, 2017 18:07
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Lockback posted:Boston and Chicago are both much worse than most cities. Moving out of Chicago was eye opening, though you are right it does exist to an extent everywhere. Milwaukee is probably lowkey the actual worst tbh. there's like a literal bridge with Police always patrolling around it.
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Aug 23, 2017 18:10
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Paul Zuvella posted:Ooh, I should read this book. The desegregation of the Boston Public School system is one of the most bizarre and depressing things in US history. Death at an Early Age is specifically about Kozols experience teaching at a public school in Boston until he was fired for daring to teach a Langston Hughes poem too
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Aug 23, 2017 18:10
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Can we talk about how bad Danny Ainge is instead of having the "is Boston racist" discussion for the millionth time (hint: it is, google mark wahlberg)
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Aug 23, 2017 18:11
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Dexo posted:Milwaukee is probably lowkey the actual worse tbh. Jewelry store robber Jon Henson
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Aug 23, 2017 18:11
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straight up brolic posted:Can we talk about how bad Danny Ainge is instead of having the "is Boston racist" discussion for the millionth time (hint: it is, google mark wahlberg) I love dunking on Danny Ainge(more than I love hating boston tbh) but I can't get mad at him for this. He finally did something with his precious #assets. And got a good player going into his prime. While unblocking Brown and Tatum's playing time.
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Aug 23, 2017 18:13
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straight up brolic posted:Can we talk about how bad Danny Ainge is instead of having the "is Boston racist" discussion for the millionth time (hint: it is, google mark wahlberg) Danny Ainge once traded for Jeff green so he is indeed bad
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