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Holyshoot posted:counterpoint: GW2 running animations look like you're ice skating on the ground when you go to change directions rapidly. Which is gross. What does that have to do with the writing or Canach? Count-counter-point: I like the charr running animation when their weapons are sheathed. It's cool and I'll accept some awkward direction changing animation as long as they have stuff like that as well.
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Rainuwastaken posted:That would solve most of my issues with the plot, to be honest. Nothing takes me out of the adventure like realizing I could just murder the hundred-or-so people between me and my goal without breaking a sweat, but I can't because I'm supposed to be the good guy or something? To be fair, that bugged me when I got to that part, and Magnai's vaguely /r/incel tendencies make it a bit creepier than it was probably meant to be, but it makes enough sense now that I think about it. If you murder half of the Azim Steppe, including the tribe that has most of its fiercest warriors, Hien's not going to have much of an army to lead when he goes marching back into Doma, now is he? Your party is willing to pay lip service to the guy who's king so as to not have him turn all the Xaela against you; presumably if he tried to force the issue he'd find out why pissing off a goddess of war, a ten foot tall unkillable samurai, someone who can punch you across the Cereal Bowl in the Sky, and Hien too I guess is a bad idea. Solo Wing Pixy fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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Aug 23, 2017 17:22
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that circumvents the other issue, though, which is that canonically we don't really need the azim steppe to liberate doma, unless we're arguing that like fifty garlean soldiers are a mightier foe than like, alexander
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Aug 23, 2017 17:37
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Also, I find it hilarious that people complain how the WoL is a murderhobo but also complain when the character doesn't just murder everything. Like, yeah, could you probably kill the whole Azim Stepped culture in like, a week? Sure, most likely. But maaaaybe that's not a great idea. Eorzea doesn't need to become Garlemald 2.0 and stomp the entire planet into the ground, right?
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The Gate posted:But maaaaybe that's not a great idea. Eorzea doesn't need to become Garlemald 2.0 and stomp the entire planet into the ground, right? I mean, I think that'd be a really cool turn, but I also wish I could set the Churning Mists on fire so
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why would you kill the azim steppe? just circumvent the area entirely. your character is effectively humoring Hien, the alternative wouldn't be 'murder the azim steppe' it would be 'just go liberate doma your drat self'.
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The Gate posted:Also, I find it hilarious that people complain how the WoL is a murderhobo but also complain when the character doesn't just murder everything. Like, yeah, could you probably kill the whole Azim Stepped culture in like, a week? Sure, most likely. It wouldn't fit for FF14 at all, but an MMO that ran a storyline where you actually did flip out and become an omnicidal villain systematically murdering the entire world could be interesting. No, protagonist. YOU are the raid boss.
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Obligatum VII posted:It wouldn't fit for FF14 at all, but an MMO that ran a storyline where you actually did flip out and become an omnicidal villain systematically murdering the entire world could be interesting. this is the real end game of ffxiv. We give into the prayers of eorzea and become a primal ourselves.
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Solo Wing Pixy posted:All of the knowledge in this universe is but a speck in a neuron of your all-encompassing, all-knowing transcendent space brain: Pulling with Provoke, then using Ultimatum to get hate on the rest of the mobs. Just wait til you get to the stormblood quest series.
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Aug 23, 2017 18:02
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Well, the emperor does need a new heir now that we killed the old one...
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Wacky Delly posted:this is the real end game of ffxiv. We give into the prayers of eorzea and become a primal ourselves. That's assuming we aren't one already in the first place
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Aug 23, 2017 18:20
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I expect that when the game finally comes to an end, "The WoL is a Primal" will be the eventual conclusion.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:I expect that when the game finally comes to an end, "The WoL is a Primal" will be the eventual conclusion. Would we have a raid where we kill ourselves then?
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orcane posted:That's why I said I liked early expansion FF14 the best, because there's not that much of a difference between gear- and content tiers yet, ie. you're not really catching up în the first place. It won't be as quick and easy halfway through the expansion, or towards its end, if you start with gear from half a year ago, and if they keep HW's design. Coulda woulda shoulda  And no I wouldn't retract the last statement. The fact that there are cooperative options in GW2 doesn't change that it's a game heavily oriented towards the individual player faffing around in world content at their own pace, largely by themselves or through impromptu coop. That's not a condemnation, it's just different.
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IcePhoenix posted:That's assuming we aren't one already in the first place Given that Y'shtola literally sees aether, I have this weird feeling that she would have called us out on that already.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:I expect that when the game finally comes to an end, "The WoL is a Primal" will be the eventual conclusion. I do wonder what the final storyline will be like, yeah.
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Count Bleck posted:Would we have a raid where we kill ourselves then?
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Aug 23, 2017 19:34
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I'm glad none of you are actual scenario writers for this game
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Aug 23, 2017 19:40
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What if the final trial is a 8v8 pvp duel but with literally all of the Raid Mechanics happening at random. Hope you fuckers know how to handle T9 divebombs
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Aug 23, 2017 19:44
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Man, this game got really horny and violent after Yoshi hired that new writer off Something Awful.
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apostateCourier posted:Given that Y'shtola literally sees aether, I have this weird feeling that she would have called us out on that already. she fears our power, and rightfully so
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Aug 23, 2017 19:45
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Fell Cleave Hydaelyn
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The final story arc is obviously gonna be about the WoL convincing Garlemald/Zodiark to play nice through a rousing game of Parley.
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apostateCourier posted:Given that Y'shtola literally sees aether, I have this weird feeling that she would have called us out on that already. Obviously she knows better since we generally kill things even worse than we are. Countblanc posted:she fears our power, and rightfully so Also this.
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Had a Red Mage just now in Shisui complain that i shouldn't be stance swapping because he kept ripping aggro off me in Deliverance. Once i told him i'm going to keep doing it because i like to do damage, he spent the entire next pull AFK typing out some long diatribe on how it's a leveling dungeon and it doesn't matter and i should learn how to "weave" Overpower into my DPS The pull he sat out was slightly slower, but suddenly there were no issues, no problems with the ninja or the healer taking aggro at all. Why he waited until the last pull before the final boss is a bit of a mystery to me. Correct me if i'm wrong but it seems like just randomly throwing in overpowers while in Deliverance is a bit of a waste since aggro gain sucks dick while you're in Deliverance and that is time that is better spent Fell Cleaving/Decimating.
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The WoL's power level compared to random guards in the Azim steppe makes more sense of you assume that primals aren't that strong outside of tempering. Like you're notable for being able to solo them (gameplay aside) but a small squadron of GC chumps could do it if they weren't being tempered instantly
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it still doesn't really unless you think that Zenos is a primal - there's no way a handful of guards could take him out or threaten him in any way but the WoL + a few allies are able to best him. if you need a story explanation for why the WoL doesn't just loving blam any rando who threatens them it's because it's not terribly heroic and you're trying to earn the faith of the citizenry, not just kill baddies.
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What you have to understand is that VERY FEW things are super insanely overpowered. As Warrior of Light, our echo allows us to see the incoming attacks (as the orange glowing circles/other indicators). Tempering aside, we are able to do so tell against threats because the average person can't predict attacks like the Warrior of Light can. This was the power bestowed upon Zenos and Fordola.
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OneDeadman posted:What if the final trial is a 8v8 pvp duel but with literally all of the Raid Mechanics happening at random. the final trial is a simple 8 man trial but everyone has to have a good glamour or you instantly fail.
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Countblanc posted:it still doesn't really unless you think that Zenos is a primal - there's no way a handful of guards could take him out or threaten him in any way but the WoL + a few allies are able to best him. Zenos himself wasn't insanely strong compared to the average mortal. He just had the ability to use the echo go predict attacks. Which will always give him an advantage against those that would attack him.
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The WoL is incredibly strong in any 1-on-1 circumstances but can and will be overwhelmed by large numbers. The WoL bringing friends along helps diminish this but it only takes one fuckup and that time your tank hyper-pulled half of a level and hosed up becomes real. Large number of mooks are more dangerous to the WoL than single powerful forces. WoL can take Zenos but would eventually get crushed if they tried to solo the entire Doman Garlean forces without help. Bringing help along is why you fought manageable numbers and not crushing numbers.
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I hope shinryu ex has three phases where the first one is a souped up version of the zenos dungeon boss fight
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The story is going to be that Zodiark is right and he shouldn't have been separated from the cosmic balance but tried to fix it in a super rear end in a top hat way and once we kill him Hydelyn Momma Crystal will go super berserk with light since there's no more dark to fight it back (whether or not this is intentional or she's just stupid is 50/50 split) and we'll have to beat her back into dormancy and find a way to reset the balance because mysterious powers that be haven't been right since like...FF5? Which is where the 'people's faith makes primals' and 'the world believes in the WoL as a savior' comes in and we use their faith to become new Zodiark. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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Look it's simple. Elidibus' big plan is to get the other ascians to restore Zodiark so he can then take control of Zodiark like Zenos did to Shinryu and then temper the entire world to create his utopia
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cheetah7071 posted:The WoL's power level compared to random guards in the Azim steppe makes more sense of you assume that primals aren't that strong outside of tempering. Like you're notable for being able to solo them (gameplay aside) but a small squadron of GC chumps could do it if they weren't being tempered instantly Yeah, but if you compare us to things other than primals that kinda goes out the window. Gaius was presumably an incredible fighter, capable of taking out entire squadrons of soldiers in 1.0, and yet you tear him apart like he's nothing. Regula is blowing away trash mobs several at a time when you encounter him in ARF, to the point where the bodies are starting to pile up outside the room, but you still smoke his rear end no problem. And I really don't think "a small squadron of GC chumps" are going to take down Nidhogg, considering he was doing pretty well for himself after a thousand years of war with Ishgard. The only good answer is to not try to compare everything because it's not that big of a deal, but dammit I'm sure as hell going to try 
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Augus posted:I'm glad none of you are actual scenario writers for this game
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Rainuwastaken posted:Yeah, but if you compare us to things other than primals that kinda goes out the window. The WoL didn't really take on Nidhogg either though. The first time they use Nidhogg's own eye against him and the second time they had Dadragon's eye instead.
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The final scenario is the camera pulling out to reveal a Something Awful poster staring into a snowglobe of Eorzea
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Augus posted:I'm glad none of you are actual scenario writers for this game So as to not emptyquote, the whole WoL is a primal thing would be really obvious and boring and open more than a few plot holes w/r/t the Scions and such.
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Today i learned that you can actually silence the iron giant's gently caress-you buff in O3S. After a month+ of working on it and getting our first clear yesterday.
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