Pener Kropoopkin posted:

the ACLU just can't stop loving up lmao

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Actually it's extremely good and the only people who have problems with it need to be punched, like nazis.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

nah

Taintrunner posted:

I agree with the ACLU that only babies would have a hardline fetishization of some vague ideal of "free speech"

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Free speech is a tool of the powerless against the powerful that's essential to democracy, and if your ideology can't handle it your ideology's poo poo.

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Free speech is a tool of the powerless against the powerful

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that's essential to democracy, and if your ideology can't handle it your ideology's poo poo.

Darkman Fanpage posted:

please don't be mean to jeb! he's a naive liberal.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

cash is now analogous to speech so literally the opposite is true. fairness doctrine violates free speech too

Taintrunner posted:

The ACLU defended Citizen's United so that the wealthy could continue strangling any ideal of the powerless utilizing free speech, you're entirely full of poo poo.

Taintrunner posted:

Utterly hilarious someone would post this unironically in the current state of America when even Princeton admits that the American government has been bought out hook line and sinker by the wealthy via lobbyists, when nonviolent Black Lives Matter protests are met with tear gas and riot police, and the Forever War in the Middle East is backed with bipartisan agreement while private contractors cheer, knowing they'll be raking in American taxdollars for years and years to come.

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Citizens United isn't a reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Plus generally limits on how and when campaign expenditures happen work just as well as limits on contributions. That's what Europe does, and they also have public campaign financing systems, which the ACLU supports.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

We do not actually live in a society where "freedom of speech" has real meaning. Censorship powers have simply become transferred from the state to private capital.

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

So therefore the solution is to allow non-governmental institutions to censor people?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

That's what's happening already.

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Exactly, that's why I support the ACLU, and find Doxxing and censorship by private organizations and employment consequences for speech odious, glad you understand

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The ACLU worked to create this environment. To address all of this stuff you claim to find odious in any real way, you would have to violate the principle of "free speech."

MizPiz posted:

So what are y'alls thoughts on the free speech of anti-vaxxers?

mrmcd posted:

Lmao if you don't think every BDS supporter or just any American critic of a Likud pol isn't going to jail the moment "anti-Semitic hate speech" is criminalized.

MizPiz posted:

So what are y'alls thoughts on the free speech of anti-vaxxers?

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

they are allowed the same rights as everyone else, also their children will be forcibly vaccinated.

an actual dog posted:

Mic is basically dead after a pivot to video and here's an excellent deep dive into everything that went wrong. No mention of the guy who lied about his friend dying so he could go build a treehouse.

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When the site was pushing into original comedy, Altchek told multiple staffers that he wanted to make “the next Chappelle Show, except it’s hosted by a trans woman of color.” Multiple former employees brought up the time Altchek introduced a video about the feminist #FreeTheNipple movement at a large staff gathering with a joke implying that the video still would have been excellent even if it hadn’t included boobs: “Titties aside,” he said, it was a great piece.
Altchek’s biggest misstep, however, was a get-out-the-vote effort called #69TheVote, which launched in late 2016. The conceit was that, while 69 million baby boomers and 69 million millennials are eligible to vote, only the former actually do so. “Boomers have always been on top,” the voiceover in the announcement video says. “Sometimes it seems like they're afraid to try new positions. But we're ready to go down on history” — a voice interrupts — “ahem, in history” — “oh right….”

sword_man.gif posted:

forcibly vaccinated you say. i'll take any excuse to post the rambling, frothing insanity that is dees illustration.

sword_man.gif posted:

forcibly vaccinated you say. i'll take any excuse to post the rambling, frothing insanity that is dees illustration.

devtesla posted:

Calibanibal posted:

nah cops were poo poo before nerds existed

tho it certainly doesnt help

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

You're not getting it. Even before money was officially sanctioned as speech through CU, owners could do whatever they wanted with their media companies. The Fairness Doctrine was revoked by the Reagan administration with the exlicit argument that it violated principles of Free Speech, which is incredibly hard to argue. Free speech absolutism is smothering any real possibility of non mainstream speech actually being heard. To seek it out you have to do it autodidactically, which isn't the best means of becoming informed - because you can just as easily cotton onto reactionary and racist ideologies in an uncontrolled environment like the internet.

We do not actually live in a society where "freedom of speech" has real meaning. Censorship powers have simply become transferred from the state to private capital.

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Not really, you just have to make sure speech codes are agnostic to content, but liberals have a huge problem with that.

MizPiz posted:

So what are y'alls thoughts on the free speech of anti-vaxxers?

Jeb! Repetition posted:

I'm not a free speech absolutist, nor is virtually anyone. I'm fine with libel and false advertising laws, conspiracy-related criminal offenses, fire-shouting exceptions etc. I'd even be okay with European-style limits on campaign commercials for greater election integrity. But none of that means free speech isn't still an important principle, particularly when it applies to personal, dissenting speech.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

So you're for all sorts of speech restrictions that act in the interest of public good & safety, but not when it comes to suppressing explicitly genocidal ideology.

Blue Train posted:

We should kill all minorities, leaving a pure white America like the founders intended. This does not go against the public good because