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LolitaSama
Dec 27, 2011

Yinlock posted:

here's my advice to those lost souls who cling to hillary: find someone who would not lose to pedo hitler, and support them instead

here's my advice to those lost souls who cling to bernie: find someone who would not lose to someone who would lose to pedo hitler, and support them instead

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Man Musk
Jan 13, 2010

https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/900856955379625987

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

LolitaSama posted:

here's my advice to those lost souls who cling to bernie: find someone who would not lose to someone who would lose to pedo hitler, and support them instead

Well in 2020 the clinton corruption of the DNC will be cleansed so we don't really need to worry about that.

The Ol Spicy Keychain
Jan 17, 2013

I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE

Every time a tweet like this is made the percentage of Bernie > Trump voters in 2020 will go up by 1 :dukedoge:

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

got any sevens posted:

'middle' ... "upper 20%" ...

:thunk:

Class isn't a position within a sliding scale of income distribution, but a sociopolitical position within the hierarchy of power relations. The middle classes function as the administrators, number crunchers, record keepers, and enforcers of the bourgeoisie - and are compensated well enough to guarantee their comfort within the system. It's easy then, for the middle classes to be led to a state of mind where they view capitalism as essential to their survival and well being, and will tend naturally towards reactionary politics. It's not a coincidence that fascist parties appealed most to the middle classes of their respective nations.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Class isn't a position within a sliding scale of income distribution, but a sociopolitical position within the hierarchy of power relations. The middle classes function as the administrators, number crunchers, record keepers, and enforcers of the bourgeoisie - and are compensated well enough to guarantee their comfort within the system. It's easy then, for the middle classes to be led to a state of mind where they view capitalism as essential to their survival and well being, and will tend naturally towards reactionary politics. It's not a coincidence that fascist parties appealed most to the middle classes of their respective nations.

tl;dr, the amount of your salary doesn't determine your class. The fact that you are paid a salary, as opposed to rent-seeking from your owned capital and paying others, determines your class.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

tl;dr, the amount of your salary doesn't determine your class. The fact that you are paid a salary, as opposed to rent-seeking from your owned capital and paying others, determines your class.

Being salaried isn't a great definition for class either, because teachers are technically salaried and have way less income and power than dock workers. A Proletarian<>Bourgeois class model is good for socialist politics, and informs the ideological viewpoint - but it's not accurate at describing the actually existing organization of capitalist society and the way it perpetuates itself. Police for instance are technically proletarian, but their primary job description is to enforce capitalist property law. They will therefore act in favor of their real bosses, which are not the public but the ruling class.

tower time
Jul 30, 2008




Nf3 posted:

clinton was suppported by more minorities because they sensed bernies hostility to minorities.ive come to hate white liberals more than white conservatives. white conservative is honest, even if they wrong now white liberal, they pretend to care about minorities but they the same as white conservatives.just dishonest

in short, maybe its bernie bros who need to reevaluate their positions.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3266659&userid=190569

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


lmfao

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005


lmao holy poo poo

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981


god bless us, everyone

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


lol

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Being salaried isn't a great definition for class either, because teachers are technically salaried and have way less income and power than dock workers. A Proletarian<>Bourgeois class model is good for socialist politics, and informs the ideological viewpoint - but it's not accurate at describing the actually existing organization of capitalist society and the way it perpetuates itself. Police for instance are technically proletarian, but their primary job description is to enforce capitalist property law. They will therefore act in favor of their real bosses, which are not the public but the ruling class.
Sure, it's not perfect, but it's good enough to get the idea down without getting too bogged down with details. Some police will work against you, some will not, same with teachers, or even your fellow union members.

Class Theory is just a tool used to understand who holds the power in our capitalist society, it isn't immutable, nor exact.

Similar to how Privilege Theory is a tool that can be used to understand why a policy based assuming a "Just World" is bullshit. It isn't intended to measure people's "privilege level" nor brand people with an Original Sin.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Woke.

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar
:bagl:

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

absolutely perfect

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Sure, it's not perfect, but it's good enough to get the idea down without getting too bogged down with details. Some police will work against you, some will not, same with teachers, or even your fellow union members.

Class Theory is just a tool used to understand who holds the power in our capitalist society, it isn't immutable, nor exact.

Similar to how Privilege Theory is a tool that can be used to understand why a policy based assuming a "Just World" is bullshit. It isn't intended to measure people's "privilege level" nor brand people with an Original Sin.

Most of the people I meet in RL understand this but christ it makes internet discussions a slog.

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008





holy loly

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008


Lmao, I can't believe a member of the rentier class happens to hate Bernie. I demand racial justice and a rollback of whistleblower protections *clapping emojis*

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004


All die hard hillbots on Twitter look like this

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Uncle Wemus posted:

All die hard hillbots on Twitter look like this

Also posters on this forum if you delve into it.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Uncle Wemus posted:

All die hard hillbots on Twitter look like this

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004


bahahahahahaha

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Grognan posted:

Most of the people I meet in RL understand this but christ it makes internet discussions a slog.

Virtue signalling for an online community is hella exhausting, who has time to argue in good faith after that?

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

:eyepoop:

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

:lol:

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!
how many times would Hillary trip/fall on random things if she were president

itd be endearing tbh

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Lastgirl posted:

how many times would Hillary trip/fall on random things if she were president

itd be endearing tbh

Thought there used to be old SNL skits about an older president doing that and being pitched like that

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Grognan posted:

Thought there used to be old SNL skits about an older president doing that and being pitched like that

ford right?

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


a few days old but don't think i saw this here: dem rep in nevada has a primary challenge running on single payer, among other things

https://twitter.com/amy4thepeople/status/899837624634003456

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

a few days old but don't think i saw this here: dem rep in nevada has a primary challenge running on single payer, among other things

https://twitter.com/amy4thepeople/status/899837624634003456

you should have linked the tweet where her daughter died because private health insurance decided to death panel her

https://twitter.com/JesseSbaih/status/900890336716759040

Amy is Good, Amy 2020 https://amy4thepeople.com/

quote:

I have been advocating non-stop for healthcare across Nevada, as well as across the nation. I've been telling the story of my daughter, Shalynne. Two years ago, Shalynne went to the emergency room with nearly all the signs, symptoms, and risk factors of a blood clot. Because she was unable to provide proof of health insurance, she was denied the appropriate care, which ultimately led to her dying in my arms of a pulmonary embolism.

Her death at the hands of our Nation's barbaric, profit-driven healthcare system, tragically, is an all too familiar story. The fight, not only against repealing the ACA, but for expanded and improved Medicare for All has become my calling. I didn't choose this fight, it chose me.

I'm tired of witnessing self-proclaimed progressive congressman regurgitating the same old corporatist rhetoric, circumventing the real reason our healthcare system is failing Americans: profit.

Taintrunner has issued a correction as of 02:26 on Aug 25, 2017

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007


:bernpop:

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017



https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/900869630247481345

Jazerus
May 24, 2011



dire

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

"hey so here's my situation"

"here's MY FRIEND'S situation"
"i've never got any answer"

"suck my dick how about that you're welcome!"

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


Taintrunner posted:

you should have linked the tweet where her daughter died because private health insurance decided to death panel her

https://twitter.com/JesseSbaih/status/900890336716759040

Amy is Good, Amy 2020 https://amy4thepeople.com/

you should have watched the video in the tweet i linked

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

you should have watched the video in the tweet i linked

my bad I'm at a bar

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

Must be nice not to be Cambodian.

America Is Great Because It Is Good.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008


She's doing dreamworks face in her background banner image thing

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Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

Darkman Fanpage posted:

ITS ALMOST AS IF HILLARY OFFERED NOTHING TO VOTERS IN WISCONSON MICHIGAN AND PENNSYLVANIA AHHHHH *jumps out window*

:thunk:

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