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Grognan posted:LOL When I marched with my local occupy we literally had a briefing about the nomads that were coming from CA. That planned to violently escalate poo poo for our protest. That's not the same as rocinf around specifically looking for Nazis you stupid poo poo
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the amount of loving hand wringing going on about this mythical mystery machine full of antifas wandering around looking for people wearing a maga hat to assault is so absolutely insane i have to wonder if you've got some kind of secret desire to get attacked just so you can yell i told you so or something else entirely retarded
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Grognan posted:LOL When I marched with my local occupy we literally had a briefing about the nomads that were coming from CA. That planned to violently escalate poo poo for our protest. Yeah, what we need as a response to the right is an ineffectual holding up of signs.
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sword_man.gif posted:so what are you worried about, that you're gonna get called hitler on the internet and that sends out the Secret Signal for the local group to hide outside your front door and ambush you with a tire iron? I'm not really worried about poo poo (about getting beaten up, mind you, I'm drat worried about the prevalence of crazy far right poo poo), I agree with about 90% of the typical anti-nazi positions here. I just think that position that I'm hearing more often lately of "violence is the only way to oppose Nazis so we gotta preemptively crush some skulls" is.......questionable. And I think watching people immediately get called Nazi sympathisers for having some qualms with it has been pretty lame. I think there's plenty of ways you can have reasonable issues with that that don't deserve being dogpiled*. *Does not apply to Trump voters.
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Violence isn't the obly way, but he people who tut tut about punching the fuckers also tend to disapprove of doxxing them and getting them fired and generally just make a big stink about free speech like that means free of consequences
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well if they're not nazis then being called a nazi on the internet shouldn't bother them because it's been happening since the 1990s. we even have a loving emote for invoking hitler in arguments 
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Violence isn't the obly way, but he people who tut tut about punching the fuckers also tend to disapprove of doxxing them and getting them fired and generally just make a big stink about free speech like that means free of consequences It's kinda funny when they bitch about getting them fired when these people defend the system that lets them get fired for that. Sounds like they got a bad case of the capitalism.
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Panzeh posted:It's kinda funny when they bitch about getting them fired when these people defend the system that lets them get fired for that. Sounds like they got a bad case of the capitalism. "I thought you were for protecting workers hmmmm" like Nazis should be a protected class
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the bottom line is the entire loving basis for their political violence normalization garbage (and political violence is already normalized, just not against them so i guess it didn't loving count until now) is a fantasy scenario where all of a sudden it's dangerous to walk down the street while being white because you'll get beaten up by vigilantes on a false charge of being a nazi, which is such a frankly ludicrous scenario it's not even worth entertaining.
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Lol if you wanna root for open sectarian warfare, go ahead
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sword_man.gif posted:the bottom line is the entire loving basis for their political violence normalization garbage (and political violence is already normalized, just not against them so i guess it didn't loving count until now) is a fantasy scenario where all of a sudden it's dangerous to walk down the street while being white because you'll get beaten up by vigilantes on a false charge of being a nazi, which is such a frankly ludicrous scenario it's not even worth entertaining. Meanwhile the "threat" of the fourth reich is totally something to be concerned with.
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Grognan posted:Lol if you wanna root for open sectarian warfare, go ahead I mean Nazis don't have any fuckin problem with it so standing around waving a sign isn't gonna do poo poo
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Grognan posted:Lol if you wanna root for open sectarian warfare, go ahead comrade this is the class war
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Meanwhile the "threat" of the fourth reich is totally something to be concerned with. Considering we have open psychos jn the white house and white supremacy groups marching around with police protection,
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Like any time you start thinking they don't post a threat remember that our institutions are biased in favor of them
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Before you know it, we are going to be invading Canada! Yes because that's a thing people have said wrt being afraid of the surge in white suprrmacist activity post November. Nailed it one. Hope you get hit with a riding mower
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Aug 25, 2017 03:49
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I mean Nazis don't have any fuckin problem with it so standing around waving a sign isn't gonna do poo poo You ever bothered looking into Iraq and what open sectarian war does to a country? Do you give a poo poo? You REALLY want to start poo poo? go ahead and do it. You might even live long enough to see things go worse.
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Aug 25, 2017 03:59
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Grognan posted:You ever bothered looking into Iraq and what open sectarian war does to a country? Do you give a poo poo? The Nazis already started poo poo you fuckin ballsack
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Aug 25, 2017 04:00
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You wanna do something, do it. Better than circle-jerking about how nuking the 1st amendment would do anything but make things worse.
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Grognan posted:You wanna do something, do it. Better than circle-jerking about how nuking the 1st amendment would do anything but make things worse. I never said abolish the first amendment, refrain from putting words in my mouth while you're tut tutting about those meanies who want to start poo poo with the people chanting blood and soil
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Aug 25, 2017 04:07
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Just because you have the legal right to say something doesn't mean you shouldn't run a quick "will this get me punched " check before you say it And if you then proceed to chant "blood and soil" or "Jews will not replace us" clearly you've decided it's worth getting clocked in the head
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If Iraq is an example of both-sides sectarian warfare, North Korea is an example of a one-sided war. If you don't want political violence, take it up with the Nazis who are literally murdering non-violent protesters.
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Panzeh posted:Yeah, what we need as a response to the right is an ineffectual holding up of signs. Trump is the president because the idpol liberals/left failed to provide anything to the majority of the population. Momentum/Podemos/M5S/Melenchon is a starting point for how to actually push a country with a functioning government and elections leftwards. But I mean gently caress actually working towards meaningful change right, we have a small number of dumb, poor white people to kick the poo poo out of.
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Slamhound posted:If Iraq is an example of both-sides sectarian warfare, North Korea is an example of a one-sided war. While cops watch, no less At a protest here in June the cops were palling around with the right wing assholes and never took their eyes off us, but the state totally hasn't taken a side here
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Just because you have the legal right to say something doesn't mean you shouldn't run a quick "will this get me punched " check before you say it The problem with your position is that there is plenty of evidence that you will get clocked by an antifa for looking like a nazi or being in the wrong place at the wrong time if they think nazis might be in the vicinity.
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Byolante posted:The problem with your position is that there is plenty of evidence that you will get clocked by an antifa for looking like a nazi or being in the wrong place at the wrong time if they think nazis might be in the vicinity. The problem with yours is that the other side is still the very least calling for violence and at worst engaging in horrible acts of it and you want everyone to sit on their hands and wait it out
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The comparison to lynchings before was pretty gross, no one is going door-to-door assaulting Trump supporters. What is happening, is that communities are reacting to nazi marches, where they aren't welcome. This isn't even really a speech issue. Extolling white supremacy in america, is neither new, nor subversive. The nazis are intentionally framing it as 'speech' issue, because they don't have a leg to stand on, when you recognize it for what is really is. It's intimidation. That's what it's always been. You don't surround counter protesters holding flaming torches because you're just 'speaking' - you do it because you trying to scare them. It's a threat of violence, and violence is a legitimate response to the threat of or actual violence. That's it. Everything else is dumb rear end equivocation.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Just because you have the legal right to say something doesn't mean you shouldn't run a quick "will this get me punched " check before you say it You know the Labor and the Civil Rights movements got their members punched too. makes u think.
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Byolante posted:The problem with your position is that there is plenty of evidence that you will get clocked by an antifa for looking like a nazi or being in the wrong place at the wrong time if they think nazis might be in the vicinity.
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Slamhound posted:Clocked, but not murdered. Take one for the team. Wait, I should accept that being physically assaulted is part of the price of a free and fair society? When the police taze the wrong person do you go 'welp they were trying to arrest murderers, take one for the team'.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Making Nazis too terrified to organize in public is always good. Grognan posted:Lol if you wanna root for open sectarian warfare, go ahead Byolante posted:Trump is the president because the idpol liberals/left failed to provide anything to the majority of the population. Momentum/Podemos/M5S/Melenchon is a starting point for how to actually push a country with a functioning government and elections leftwards. But I mean gently caress actually working towards meaningful change right, we have a small number of dumb, poor white people to kick the poo poo out of.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:You know the Labor and the Civil Rights movements got their members punched too. oh word you mean oppressors have no problem using violence to maintain their power and its only when people want to swing back that libs freak out? no poo poo?
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Byolante posted:Wait, I should accept that being physically assaulted is part of the price of a free and fair society? When the police taze the wrong person do you go 'welp they were trying to arrest murderers, take one for the team'.
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Byolante posted:Wait, I should accept that being physically assaulted is part of the price of a free and fair society? Have you never gone to a bar, my dude?
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:This is what it's really about. The neo-Nazi organizers at Charlottesville loved it when they had the numbers during the tiki torch rally. The next day when they met serious opposition, the thing blew up. realtalk i'm organizing a coalition between my local antifa crew/the broader alliance and some other local orgs so that we can present a united front against the shitheads on all battlegrounds, physical and otherwise
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:realtalk i'm organizing a coalition between my local antifa crew/the broader alliance and some other local orgs so that we can present a united front against the shitheads on all battlegrounds, physical and otherwise 
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