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Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Grognan posted:

Lol if you wanna root for open sectarian warfare, go ahead

Why contain it? s'cool

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BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
i know they said nonviolent in their statement of intent guys. i know they did. iso organizes protests under the assumption and hope they will not be violent. this does not preclude us from defending people and i know the iso folks will back us up if it comes to that because, at the very least, it means we're taking punches for them, also because one of them told me this when i raised the issue before most of you even saw the statement. jesus y'all.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

and by i'm organizing i mean i'm helping coordinate between the international socialist organization and my crew because some of my dudes can be a little hardline and reactive and i love them dearly but we gotta play the long game here y'all
Yeah I think that's a good strategy and I agree, you don't want to be reactive to everything the Nazis do. People should be building a mass popular movement that is rooted locally.

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

I agree. Which is why you do both, and I'd encourage people to get involved in local organizations like DSA and others.

I don't think blurring the lines between violence in the streets and populist societal movements will encourage people who aren't affiliated to either side to join up with yours. The way to win back a socialist country is to engage the people who rightly believe neither side give a poo poo about them and are hurting the country.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Yeah I think that's a good strategy and I agree, you don't want to be reactive to everything the Nazis do. People should be building a mass popular movement that is rooted locally.

mostly its my people being dudes who dont have a ton of long term thinking and as much as i lust for nazi death im also willing to play out the long game and let us get carried a little bit to help our image/rep both in the local Scene and in the general community

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
the rorschach speech about people saying save me but at the end he says "optics"

Byolante posted:

I don't think blurring the lines between violence in the streets and populist societal movements will encourage people who aren't affiliated to either side to join up with yours. The way to win back a socialist country is to engage the people who rightly believe neither side give a poo poo about them and are hurting the country.

lmao at all of this jfc

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
literally the "we're only nazis because you were intolerant of their intolerance" argument, you fuckin moron

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010

Byolante posted:

Wait, I should accept that being physically assaulted is part of the price of a free and fair society? When the police taze the wrong person do you go 'welp they were trying to arrest murderers, take one for the team'.
You do realize that is the current law, right? The police often fire wildly, injuring bystanders (sometimes lethally) and it's accepted. If you don't think that's part of a free and fair society, then we do not live in a free and fair society. And if that's the case you're just scolding non-lethal antifas in service of some Just World fantasy to the exclusion of reality.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Slamhound posted:

You do realize that is the current law, right? The police often fire wildly, injuring bystanders (sometimes lethally) and it's accepted.

I don't accept it at all, never have, never will.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Byolante posted:

The way to win back a socialist country is to engage the people who rightly believe neither side give a poo poo about them and are hurting the country.

- Probably a guy who was arguing that Jeremy Corbyn was a terrible candidate for Labour right up until the election.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

I don't accept it at all, never have, never will.

well poo poo i guess cops dont get away with murder then

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

literally the "we're only nazis because you were intolerant of their intolerance" argument, you fuckin moron

No you are absolutely right. Politically disengaged non-voters who think all politicians and politics exist to gently caress them over will see wanton political violence and think 'now is the time for me to get engaged!'. DSA does fantastic work engaging people with community building events. That's where people's focus should be because that's how you convince people 'hey these socialists are actually cool dudes who care about me and my family'.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Byolante posted:

No you are absolutely right. Politically disengaged non-voters who think all politicians and politics exist to gently caress them over will see wanton political violence and think 'now is the time for me to get engaged!'. DSA does fantastic work engaging people with community building events. That's where people's focus should be because that's how you convince people 'hey these socialists are actually cool dudes who care about me and my family'.

homie you were literally making the argument that pepe shitheads make

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Byolante posted:

No you are absolutely right. Politically disengaged non-voters who think all politicians and politics exist to gently caress them over will see wanton political violence and think 'now is the time for me to get engaged!'. DSA does fantastic work engaging people with community building events. That's where people's focus should be because that's how you convince people 'hey these socialists are actually cool dudes who care about me and my family'.

most anarchists i know vote religiously lol

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

well poo poo i guess cops dont get away with murder then

Are you and your crew going to "bash" them?

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747

Tokamak posted:

- Probably a guy who was arguing that Jeremy Corbyn was a terrible candidate for Labour right up until the election.

My great grandfather was a pit steward, my grandfather was a pit steward, my father was the only mine manager to never has his workers strike and I have been a member of a trade union my entire working life. I am definitely a johnny come lately new labour dick sucker.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

You sure sound like one

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Are you and your crew going to "bash" them?

so cops dont literally get away with murder in this country?

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
i forget most of these dicks arent even americans lol

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
jesus loving making another antifa jerkoff power fantasy thread so you can do that instead of trying to invent nazis for your orgasm.

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

I don't accept it at all, never have, never will.

Don't tell me, tell the cops.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Byolante caught a real nasty case of Cleggmania and still hasn't recovered.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Grognan posted:

jesus loving making another antifa jerkoff power fantasy thread so you can do that instead of trying to invent nazis for your orgasm.

im not inventing poo poo, im saying that one guy is making the same argument shitheads make about why they became nazis and another guy is going "well i dont accept police violence" like that negates the point that it is in fact broadly accepted in america

make a thread about you crawling into a sewer and sealing yourself in, and then do it

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Tokamak posted:

Byolante caught a real nasty case of Cleggmania and still hasn't recovered.

the only kleggs i know are

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Byolante posted:

my father was the only mine manager to never has his workers strike

also lol

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Grognan posted:

jesus loving making another antifa jerkoff power fantasy thread so you can do that instead of trying to invent nazis for your orgasm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-r-V0uK4u0

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010
Do pacifists ever plead with the Nazis, Alt-Right, or police to be non-violent?

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
If you are making arguments about what is broadly accepted in america , I dub thee shitiafa because broad-scale american arguements are poo poo and you are piddling your pudding because you need this moral validation and by god any points will not get through to me because the enemy is nazis so I don't have to do it

"I rely on shitposting and making too many garbage posts so someone has to look at a page that is mostly just me making non-info posts and I guess that is winning something if noone wants to deal with me anymore"

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Slamhound posted:

Do pacifists ever plead with the Nazis, Alt-Right, or police to be non-violent?

its not pacifists who are pleading for everyone to not fight, pacifists just

don't fight

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

so cops dont literally get away with murder in this country?

They do, but they shouldn't.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Grognan posted:

If you are making arguments about what is broadly accepted in america , I dub thee shitiafa because broad-scale american arguements are poo poo and you are piddling your pudding because you need this moral validation and by god any points will not get through to me because the enemy is nazis so I don't have to do it

you're just a pissy little baby who needs a new diaper and a nap. goo goo ga ga

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

They do, but they shouldn't.

congrats you finally understood the point the other dude was making to start with. holy poo poo it only took like five terrible posts. fuckin hell

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010

Grognan posted:

If you are making arguments about what is broadly accepted in america , I dub thee shitiafa because broad-scale american arguements are poo poo and you are piddling your pudding because you need this moral validation and by god any points will not get through to me because the enemy is nazis so I don't have to do it

"I rely on shitposting and making too many garbage posts so someone has to look at a page that is mostly just me making non-info posts and I guess that is winning something if noone wants to deal with me anymore"
I don't know what this is or means.


BENGHAZI 2 posted:

its not pacifists who are pleading for everyone to not fight, pacifists just

don't fight
True. I meant the scolding anti-antifascist parsons.


ate poo poo on live tv posted:

They do, but they shouldn't.
So take it up with them.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Slamhound posted:

True. I meant the scolding anti-antifascist parsons.

then the answer is no

its the they go low we go high poo poo

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
like seriously, why are these guys always british or canadian or something

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
is it because the actual pepes make fun of them for not being american so they can only hope senpai notices them

Baron Porkface
Jan 22, 2007


Why is it that that antifascists never bring guns to their allegedly glorious battles?

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Baron Porkface posted:

Why is it that that antifascists never bring guns to their allegedly glorious battles?

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Baron Porkface posted:

Why is it that that antifascists never bring guns to their allegedly glorious battles?

because the cops are not on their side and its a good way to get shot, generally

some do! john brown militia/gun club/what have you is a thing

by and large tho its because cops will not side with antifa and will gun them the gently caress down

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Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
because none of the antifa have ante'ed up and they will poo poo talk tremendously instead of doing a drat thing

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