|
Raskolnikov38 posted:i was thinking more of the rank and file true of the bolsheviks too tbh
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 05:33
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 9, 2024 16:20 |
|
|
Dr. Arbitrary posted:Serious question, what happens if a member of the DSA runs for the office of Constable? Is that even allowed? What is the office of constable? Is that like police chief/sheriff? Thought they only had those in britain or something.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 05:34
|
|
|
Grand Prize Winner posted:What is the office of constable? Is that like police chief/sheriff? Thought they only had those in britain or something. from what i remember of ds9 you mostly look the other way as the local barkeep runs a low grade smuggling operation
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 05:37
|
|
|
long-rear end nips Diane posted:Apparently I'm a left SR, but I picked neutral on most of the questions about the politics of 1917 Russia. Same, considering how many of the things I didn't shrug on are in line with the discussions I've had with local anarchists I was surprised
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 05:43
|
|
|
Grand Prize Winner posted:What is the office of constable? Is that like police chief/sheriff? Thought they only had those in britain or something. Mainly serve eviction notices. I could be the biggest stickler in the universe. Dr. Arbitrary has issued a correction as of 06:09 on Aug 25, 2017 |
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 05:47
|
|
|
Are they the ones with the funny helmets or am I thinking of boffins?
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:04
|
|
|
Dr. Arbitrary posted:Mainly serve eviction notices. I could be the biggest stickler in the universe. i'm thinking of that old saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" pretty hard rn you gotta look yourself in the mirror at the end of the day, run for city council instead
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:05
|
|
|
Business Gorillas posted:i'm thinking of that old saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" pretty hard rn The problem with running for law enforcement offices like that is that institutional knowledge is a real thing that will influence you without you knowing it. Unless the constables first action is to literally fire everyone they can then refuse to do evictions I dont see any good coming from that.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:07
|
|
|
Business Gorillas posted:i'm thinking of that old saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" pretty hard rn Do you think it'd be more productive to let a republican keep the office unopposed?
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:12
|
|
|
Dr. Arbitrary posted:Do you think it'd be more productive to let a republican keep the office unopposed? What can the candidate do there? Refuse to serve evictions? How long will they last doing that before they get removed? Id say it would be more worthwhile to make it harder for evictions to occur in the first place by taking over the city council, putting in rent controls and rights for tenants/ things to make the banks being bankey harder but im not sure if that would be possible for the local
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:16
|
|
|
Agean90 posted:What can the candidate do there? Refuse to serve evictions? How long will they last doing that before they get removed? Worst case, I can give every single person a packet with information about their rights, a referral to a laywer, etc., as well as holding landlords to the highest scrutiny.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:20
|
|
|
It depends on what you could actually do, like how much authority you'd have. If you could disarm the police force immediately I'd say it's definitely worth it. There would be poo poo but there would also be "socialist wins election: disarms police force". I have a feeling institutions like that have a lot of barriers set up to prevent that kind of thing and you'd end up a cog in the machine and ostracized from organizing though. What are you gonna do if people in black bloc are throwing bricks through bank windows? What are you gonna have to do? Etc.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:23
|
|
|
Dr. Arbitrary posted:Worst case, I can give every single person a packet with information about their rights, a referral to a laywer, etc., as well as holding landlords to the highest scrutiny. You'd still be a piece of poo poo tho.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:24
|
|
|
dsa has actually hit 30k already? drat
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:24
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/DemSocialists/status/900456465659555844 nah
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:25
|
|
|
In my county, it's a fairly specific scope of authority: Provide the public with an efficient and timely service of process issued through the Justice Courts. These processes include: Orders of Protection Summons Subpoenas Writs of the Court such as evictions and property seizures Constables duties include but are not limited to the following: Conduct Constable sales of property levied on to satisfy judgments Execute and return writs of possession or restitution (evictions) Judicial security Levy and return writs of execution (seize property to satisfy judgments) Serve criminal and civil summons and subpoenas Serve orders of protection and orders prohibiting harassment Store personal property levied on Summon Jurors Ace of Baes posted:You'd still be a piece of poo poo tho. Sure, but do you want that piece of poo poo in your mouth or up your nose?
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:26
|
|
|
Ace of Baes posted:You'd still be a piece of poo poo tho. Have you considered logging off?
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:31
|
|
|
Dr. Arbitrary posted:Do you think it'd be more productive to let a republican keep the office unopposed? as someone who's currently in school for HR and running straight for public policy and labor organizing, i rationalized continuing into corporate HR to be friendly to the cause or do corporate sabotage few people on the front lines are actually interested in evicting people or loving over workers for the sake of the bosses, they do it because they have to and dehumanize the people they gently caress over because that's how they're able to sleep at night. you will have to serve evictions and you will have to be an enforcer for capital. that's something you're gonna have to come to terms with. i decided it wasn't for me, but being a socialist in a role that actively demands the people in it to fight on the behalf of capital is pretty fuckin rough imo edit: basically, take your energy and go after an unopposed seat that's job description doesn't mostly entail destroying lives and enforcing private property
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:33
|
|
|
Slanderer posted:Have you considered logging off? He''s right though. This is like applying to be an executioner. I can't stop it, but at the very least I can be as humane as possible, and from an accelerationist point of view, maybe that's counterproductive
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:39
|
|
|
Dr. Arbitrary posted:He''s right though. This is like applying to be an executioner. I can't stop it, but at the very least I can be as humane as possible, and from an accelerationist point of view, maybe that's counterproductive Yes, but accelerationists are retarded sociopaths
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:41
|
|
|
This is one of those situations where a basic analysis of what power a position actually gives you means a lot. Theoretical handwringing about the theoretical possibility of using a constableship to maybe serve eviction notices nicely disintegrates pretty quickly in the daylight of "how does the powers entrusted to this position by the political establishment serve socialist ends, and how can they be turned to socialist ends." Like, it's one thing to be a socialist nuclear operator whose secret goal is to never, ever actually push the button no matter what. That's kind of rad. But it's another thing to knowingly participate, and through participating strengthen, the police force of america just so that you can theoretically slow down tickets here and there. There already are "Good Cops" - you just can't tell because they're just as complicit as all the bad cops, and are institutionally denied the ability to change how law enforcement operates. American law enforcement would be nowhere without the ability to coerce people who got into it for non-fascist reasons into becoming reliable agents of the state. The system is bigger than you, and you need to find positions that are closer to the crux, to the levers of power, for this kind of electoral work to be an efficient use of your time.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:48
|
|
|
Dr. Arbitrary posted:Do you think it'd be more productive to let a republican keep the office unopposed?
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:55
|
|
|
Impermanent posted:The system is bigger than you, and you need to find positions that are closer to the crux, to the levers of power, for this kind of electoral work to be an efficient use of your time. I agree, but the people I'd be running against for city council are far more experienced politically, in a larger district, and are already quite far left leaning. Edit: At this point, anyone who wants to dox me is gonna be able to do it. I'm in Tempe, Arizona. We've got a liberal City Council. I'd be running against a teacher and a lady who reminds me most of Jill Stein.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 06:57
|
|
|
if hst could run for sheriff on this platform well
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 07:01
|
|
|
safely sodomized posted:if hst could run for sheriff on this platform well 🤠 🐷🐷🐷 🐷 🐷 🐷 👇🏽 🐷🐷 👇🏽 🐷 🐷 🐷 🐷 👢 👢 howdy. im the sheriff of fat city. cops can be comrades. Slanderer has issued a correction as of 07:07 on Aug 25, 2017 |
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 07:04
|
|
|
God, it'd be amazing to run using pig imagery in official campaign materials. I'm a bit out of shape from my glory days, "Let's elect a real porker for Constable!"
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 07:07
|
|
|
Tuxedo Catfish posted:Anyways the beginning of Perdido Street Station is the best part because it's just this perverted scientist and his bug-headed lover going about their everyday domestic lives under an oppressive early industrial Capitalist regime. Later on it turns into a much more conventional action-adventure story and isn't nearly as unique or interesting. i thought that part was bad because everything is super goony steam punk erotica
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 07:33
|
|
|
gently caress. marry. t-rex posted:i thought that part was bad because everything is super goony steam punk erotica consider your audience
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 07:37
|
|
|
Dr. Arbitrary posted:In my county, it's a fairly specific scope of authority: looks like the property rights defender has logged on
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 13:23
|
|
|
i'd say if you want to be constable just to see how quickly they can fire you for not going to work that might be fun, but never ever serve an eviction notice
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 13:24
|
|
|
well maybe if you can seize banks or something like that one dude that foreclosed on a wells fargo that might be kinda cool
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 13:27
|
|
|
being the communist sheriff would probably be fun for a few months of gumming up the works and refusing to do your job, cops are so far above the law the worst that could happen is you'd get recalled eventually
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 16:20
|
|
|
the bitcoin of weed posted:being the communist sheriff would probably be fun for a few months of gumming up the works and refusing to do your job, cops are so far above the law the worst that could happen is you'd get recalled eventually if your a commie sheriff the you fire all the deputies and swear in your DSA chapter 
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 16:23
|
|
|
Agean90 posted:if your a commie sheriff the you fire all the deputies and swear in your DSA chapter we talked about this last night and it seemed pretty fun but then we would all get kicked off the npc
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 16:30
|
|
|
jarofpiss posted:we talked about this last night and it seemed pretty fun but then we would all get kicked off the npc I want to bring back the ccc communist cop coalition our motto will be "Sid Hatfield did nothing wrong"
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 16:33
|
|
|
fwiw, here's an excellent article about why i certainly wont want to use facebook as MADSA seems to prefer. http://gizmodo.com/facebook-figured-out-my-family-secrets-and-it-wont-tel-1797696163
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 17:56
|
|
|
walking tall is actually a revolutionary movie
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 18:41
|
|
|
Iridium posted:fwiw, here's an excellent article about why i certainly wont want to use facebook as MADSA seems to prefer. I have here in my hand a list of 30,000 names known to Zuckerberg as being reds and who nevertheless are still posting on facebook. We will use this list to serve ads.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 19:04
|
|
|
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constables_in_the_United_States Depending on your area constables are civil agents of enforcement that are either elected or appointed. Due to the civil nature of the position it is held accountable by the town/community more so than an actual police department and thus be closer towards a post-police position of enforcement. My town doesn't have police, and used to have a constable in the past. Sheriffs are a little different but still a civil agent that is elected or appointed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriffs_in_the_United_States Due to the more centralized nature and being closer to higher rungs of power, the Sheriff position is closer to the current system of enforcement, but still democratised in implementation and usually relevant for areas of the county that lack police presence, like rural towns. If you wish to get into and frame proper civil enforcement with respect to citizens rights then they are far better than becoming a police officer, and because of that the positions are rather rare or muted in power in places with high police influence. The crux is making sure it is clear where the accountability lies and adherence. ThndrShk2k has issued a correction as of 19:21 on Aug 25, 2017 |
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 19:18
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 9, 2024 16:20 |
|
|
Idea: start pushing the fact that under socialism, Half Life 2 Episode 3 would have already been released years ago. DSA's ranks will swell with thousands of disgruntled nerds.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2017 19:33
|
|
