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Cingulate posted:The point is that this is how bad it gets. Which is, not very. Think of how many people oil and natural gas and coal kill. If that's the case, then you'd need to include all the other nuclear failures that have happened including Chernobyl (no, this is how bad it gets) and Windscale. Seriously, if you want to haul one up the pole, Fukushima might be your best bet or the amount of them we have now (US) and how little issue we have with them. But pointing to a few historical events and ignoring others isn't going to get you far
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ThePeavstenator posted:C-14 is like 1 part per trillion and also incredibly low energy. U-235 found in nuclear waste is highly concentrated and also features some pretty loving nasty stuff including Cs-137 which is a product of that U-235 that takes millions of years to decay. quote:Caesium-137 has a half-life of about 30.17 years. About 94.6 percent decays by beta emission to a metastable nuclear isomer of barium: barium-137m (137mBa, Ba-137m). The remainder directly populates the ground state of barium-137, which is stable. U-235 has a halflife of 700 million years, which is so incredibly long it's effectively harmless as far as its own decay goes. The only way it becomes a problem is if you put it next to a shitload of free neutrons moping around slowly looking for a good home. CS-137 is incredibly dangerous and one of the biggest problems from high-level nuclear waste, along with some Sr isotopes, but you're wording stuff really badly there.
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:You spelled Bloomfield wrong. 
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WampaLord posted:Okay, but no one has been nominated yet. Talking about the general you doofus. If you want a leftist to win well go help one win.
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OddObserver posted:I hope the dumb mayor gets roped into rescue duties, because it's likely some National/Coast Guardsman is going to have to risk their lives to save people who elected not to evacuate. I hope he gets slapped with manslaughter charges for every single person who dies in his city even though I know he won't
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Shayl posted:Corpus Cristie doesn't issue mandatory evacuation orders....which just is very ominous to me. So many people are going to stay home and get flushed out of their homes and into the ocean tonight it's a red county, so nothing of value will be lost
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Aug 25, 2017 18:08
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Gort posted:Not the best campaign slogan, I admit, but you've got to be better than Trump. I'm sold. It's true... I won't sugar coat it... I'll tell you exactly how horrible I'll be. I'm just concerned that I will do my best to live up to that promise :/
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KillHour posted:Kind of sort of not really. The flip side is it doesn't matter how energetic how the emission is if the count is very low from having a very long half life. It's all in the dose. The other way to nuclear power could be better is if it generated a lot of very short half life products which can be stored until it goes away. *Enter breeders* Tom Clancy is Dead posted:John Oliver's segment on it was absolute fearmongering trash in which he repeatedly equated nuclear waste from powerplants to the horrifying poo poo we made bootstrapping our weapons program. I like him quite a bit in general but it was one of the worst segments he's put out if you know anything about the subject.  Normally I am behind him all the way but that was just irresponsible. Funny thing if we did continued the weapons program we would have breeder reactors to burn most of the waste into something alot safer and lower quantity. oohhboy fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Aug 25, 2017 |
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While all these Houston snowflakes are running away from a little bit of rain, our brave law enforcement officers in CBP laugh in the face of hurricanes to keep the horde out of our country.quote:As thousands of Texans prepare to evacuate their cities due to Hurricane Harvey, the United States Border Patrol said it is not planning to close its roadside immigration checkpoints north of the Rio Grande Valley unless there is a danger to travelers or its agents. Catch a wave, guys.
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Aug 25, 2017 18:09
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Bel Shazar posted:It's true... I won't sugar coat it... I'll tell you exactly how horrible I'll be. I'm just concerned that I will do my best to live up to that promise :/ Will you not tweet out absolute garbage at 6am while trying to poo poo out the brick that became of last night's KFC?
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Aug 25, 2017 18:10
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Bel Shazar posted:It's true... I won't sugar coat it... I'll tell you exactly how horrible I'll be. I'm just concerned that I will do my best to live up to that promise :/ This guy tells it like it is. I could have a beer with this guy. Now you just need the appearance of being a millionaire or a few billionaire backers and we can get this party started.
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Aug 25, 2017 18:11
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Bel Shazar posted:Holy poo poo no, I would never vote for myself. I can just imagine the petty tyrant I would be if you gave me power. "No more plaid. Anywhere. No, you don't get to ask why, that's just how it is now."
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Mustached Demon posted:Will you not tweet out absolute garbage at 6am while trying to poo poo out the brick that became of last night's KFC? I don't think I have a twitter account, so I can guarantee no tweets. Snapchat dick pics, though...
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Aug 25, 2017 18:13
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empty whippet box posted:You mean like utterly fabricated stories of "bernie bros" being misogynist? Bernie and his supporters have been getting bashed by centrists as though they were worse than trump since day 1 of the primaries. Oh yeah because leftists can't be misogynist at all I'm leftist as gently caress but a non-zero portion of Bernie supporters were absolutely sexist. Men in leftist movements are often really sexist but you can never talk to them about it because "no we're not, we're leftists"
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SocketWrench posted:If that's the case, then you'd need to include all the other nuclear failures that have happened including Chernobyl (no, this is how bad it gets) How many people have died to nuclear power in ... ever? How many people have died to nuclear power with Western, 80s+ safety standards?
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Aug 25, 2017 18:15
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Bel Shazar posted:I don't think I have a twitter account, so I can guarantee no tweets. Snapchat dick pics, though... Bel Shazar 2020!!!! A chicken in every pot and a dick in every phone.
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Aug 25, 2017 18:16
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Jaxyon posted:Oh yeah because leftists can't be misogynist at all not voting for hillary is prima facie evidence of sexism. it's her turn boys!
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Aug 25, 2017 18:16
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Jaxyon posted:Oh yeah because leftists can't be misogynist at all
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The thing about nuclear is that (at least since non-nuclear renewables started getting really good) nuclear as a longterm solution hasn't really been about fully covering power needs, it's been about covering baseload. You don't really want to be relying 100% on wind and solar for that since they can't particularly respond to increased demand, especially if they're already at max output.
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maskenfreiheit posted:not voting for hillary is prima facie evidence of sexism. it's her turn boys! Yeah this is more or less how conversations about leftist sexist men go, they mock the very idea and say it's a distraction from the issues.
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Aug 25, 2017 18:17
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Jaxyon posted:Oh yeah because leftists can't be misogynist at all The same is true of Hillary voters. The difference between the two sides is that only one side had a dedicated smear campaign devised to amplify the problem to absurd heights.
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Aug 25, 2017 18:18
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Ravenfood posted:Or racist. Trying to tell some leftists they're being racist is a loving pain in the rear end and I frankly don't know how PoC leftists even put up with it as much as they do. So many people have been driven out of leftist organizing over this poo poo I don't even know where to begin.
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Pander posted:The same is true of Hillary voters. The difference between the two sides is that only one side had a dedicated smear campaign devised to amplify the problem to absurd heights. But enough about the GOP.
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oohhboy posted:
Yeah. I'm posting from a DOE lab and it was very frustrating coming on the heels of finally having a very good article published about what the DOE does from Vanity Fair (that he even cited): https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/department-of-energy-risks-michael-lewis In general if you are using the Union of Concerned Scientists as a source, please don't. They suck. Anything legit that they post will be findable elsewhere from better sources.
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Mustached Demon posted:But enough about the GOP. Dems will keep on losing as long as David Brock gets jobs from them.
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Pander posted:The same is true of Hillary voters. The difference between the two sides is that only one side had a dedicated smear campaign devised to amplify the problem to absurd heights. Ah yes, misandry
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A great indicator of there being a sexist component to some of the Hillary hate is how hard Bernie supporters come down on the idea. Like, talking about it isn't going to make someone take away the wobbly hat you purchased on the internet.
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Jaxyon posted:Ah yes, misandry whatever.
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I think there's a thread dedicated to hillary v bernie replays but I am not sure.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Yeah. I'm posting from a DOE lab and it was very frustrating coming on the heels of finally having a very good article published about what the DOE does from Vanity Fair (that he even cited): https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/department-of-energy-risks-michael-lewis UCS is basically the PETA of nuclear science. They are awful, and take every effort possible to conflate nuclear weapons with power production.
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Jaxyon posted:A great indicator of there being a sexist component to some of the Hillary hate is how hard Bernie supporters come down on the idea. Did you also put a donut on your twitter handle?
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Ravenfood posted:Or racist. Trying to tell some leftists they're being racist is a loving pain in the rear end and I frankly don't know how PoC leftists even put up with it as much as they do. Easy peasy! We deal with it, the same way we deal with a lot of things: nod, smile and cry/rage inwardly depending on what was said
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Here is a video of nuclear flask testing and I giggle at how strong the things are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHtOW-OBO4
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joepinetree posted:Did you also put a donut on your twitter handle? I don't post on twitter. So not sure what this means.
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oohhboy posted:Here is a video of nuclear flask testing and I giggle at how strong the things are. good thing they didnt ask me to destroy the flask, or i would have gotten radioactive all over my hands
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DaveWoo posted:Searching "Gary Cohn" on Twitter right now gives some pretty amazing results: I'm sure it's pissing into the ocean but does Twitter ever block blantant antisemitism like this? They appear to have a policy about it, is that just bullshit? https://support.twitter.com/articles/20175050
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Cingulate posted:... which is, again, not very bad. Just think of the numbers: how many people die to fossils .. let's say, every year? Every month? Every week? How much land gets uninhabitable? (Wars fought?) No, it wasn't that bad, one just did unaccountable damage because no one realised it was doing anything till after a fire started. The other only cleared out a huge swath of countryside that will be unfit for humans to live in for centuries and spread radiation over all of Europe, including dumping a huge amount in Belarus where people are still living and a higher than average cancer rate exists "How many people have died to nuclear power in ... ever?" I don't think you'll ever be able to calculate this because nuclear doesn't kill within a standard time scale or always kill as directly associated to radiation when instead growing cancers and the like. I mean there isn't even an accurate count from Chernobyl. "How many people have died to nuclear power with Western, 80s+ safety standards?" All I said was you were pulling examples from history, you're going to have to include them all. You can't pick and choose. If I were going to lead a program on nuke energy I'd point out accidents in the past, I'd point out what caused them and what we did to fix those problems and then show how much the tech has advanced and how safe it is now. Being as honest as possible about it is going to do way more than bullshit smoke and mirrors when it comes to winning over people that already think Nuclear is bullshit smoke and mirrors.
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Pander posted:I'm hoping that's just awkwardly worded, because Yeah I was making the point that it's kind of absurd to compare nuclear waste to C-14. Also the comparison of U-235 being as dangerous as any other heavy metal is not a point in its favor.
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:I'm sure it's pissing into the ocean but does Twitter ever block blantant antisemitism like this? They appear to have a policy about it, is that just bullshit? Antisemitism is beyond Twitter's ability to handle, but don't you dare mouth off to Tony the Tiger.
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:I'm sure it's pissing into the ocean but does Twitter ever block blantant antisemitism like this? They appear to have a policy about it, is that just bullshit? hahah no, Nazi's actually use twitter to target people.
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