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homullus
Mar 27, 2009

Bust Rodd posted:

Wow I suddenly realize I would way rather have a Danny/Luke Show and a separate Jessica/Matt show than the Defenders

I would enjoy both of these and I think I agree about each being better than the Defenders.

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moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



ufarn posted:

Check out the Emergency Awesome YouTube channel's analysis of it; it should answer most of your questions and give you some kind of closure.

Thanks for this suggestion, I was never a big Daredevil comics guy so that was a big help.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
What other Marvel (or even DC) heroes would be good for the Netflix treatment?

I've mentioned Moon Knight repeatedly and think it'd be perfect. Maybe something like Sandman but it'd need a big budget and might work better on HBO. Sgt. Rock or Shang-Chi maybe? The Specter? I still think there's a place for The Shadow since he's never been done well. Wracking my head here...

What about Elric?

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

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X-Men, if Fox would let it go.

ufarn
May 30, 2009
She-Hulk, although I can't help shudder at how they'd do her green skin and hair with their current budget.

Fraction Hawkeye is another obvious choice, but it'd require an actor who's actually tolerable.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Comedy option: Squadron Supreme.

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord

ufarn posted:

Fraction Hawkeye is another obvious choice, but it'd require an actor who's actually tolerable.

I think you mean 'actress'?

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

ufarn posted:

She-Hulk

That's a good idea but I worry they'd do the "break the 4th wall" bit too heavily in the wake of Deadpool's success.

ufarn
May 30, 2009

Saint Freak posted:

I think you mean 'actress'?
I like it.

Honestly, they'd probably do some dumbass romance if Cliff were included, I'm done given those yahoos the benefit of the doubt.

BiggerBoat posted:

That's a good idea but I worry they'd do the "break the 4th wall" bit too heavily in the wake of Deadpool's success.
This is what I kinda want Hawkeye to be; instead of Avengers, just have the Marvelflix characters show up once in a while. After all, Hawkeye always felt more like a Defenders character than Avengers.

I also think people are very good at picking up derivative bullshit at this point, and them doing Shakespearean asides "because Deadpool did it" would probably not go down very well. It's kinda like the swearing for the sake of swearing in Logan - you're R-rated, we get it, doesn't mean you have to copy everything Deadpool did.

Defenders already has a blind lawyer, so She-Hulk feels like someone who could be both for TV and the big screen. But then again, we always wanted the two to mix, if it weren't for the dumbasses at Marvel blocking it. She'd be great with JJ as a regular, too.

R-Type
Oct 10, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

Slowpoke! posted:

Actually now that Stick is dead and all of the Chaste is dead and the Hand is dead, do we really need a S2 of Iron Fist? Can't we just bring him back for Defenders 2 and pretend that he has been integrating back into society as Danny Rand for the past couple years? He can be the Tony Stark of the team, bankrolling their activities while struggling with the fact that he can no longer summon his chi for [reasons].

Danny Rand struggles with it for 6.5 episodes, then Jessica suggests he purchase a Viagra producing company.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

BiggerBoat posted:

What other Marvel (or even DC) heroes would be good for the Netflix treatment?

I've mentioned Moon Knight repeatedly and think it'd be perfect. Maybe something like Sandman but it'd need a big budget and might work better on HBO. Sgt. Rock or Shang-Chi maybe? The Specter? I still think there's a place for The Shadow since he's never been done well. Wracking my head here...

What about Elric?

Kamen Rider

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Unfortunately, Suicide Squad basically ruined our chances of ever seeing Thunderbolts villains-as-heroes. There's a ton of low-powered villains you could frame a show around.

There's a handful of mystical characters like Brother Voodoo or Nico Minoru that could work, but it would come across as Dr Strange on a budget.

Blade would be amazing, but I don't think we'll get vampires right after undead ninjas.

Moon Knight would be perfect for Netflix. There's really no reason not to.

Or Wonderman. Nathan Fillion is nerd catnip.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

There's already a Runaways show.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

moths posted:


Moon Knight would be perfect for Netflix. There's really no reason not to.


God drat, I keep hoping.

Moench and Sienkiewicz's original 2 or 3 year run was terrific stuff and lends itself perfectly to the "Netflix Style". I looked forward to those and Miller's DD comics more than anything back then. Imagine how much better the Netflix MCU (and Defenders) would be with Marc Spector as "the rich one" instead of Danny Rand.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Oh man, I forgot about Runaways. Not very optimistic about that one...

If they could save Ghost Rider from Agents of SHIELD, that would also be a good fit.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

moths posted:

Oh man, I forgot about Runaways. Not very optimistic about that one...

If they could save Ghost Rider...

I'm more optimistic about Runaways than I am Inhumans because, whoo baby, does that ever look like poo poo. I actually laughed at the trailer(s) and I seriously doubt that was their intent. I liked the dog.

Ghost Rider would work but not sure I'd want him crossing over. I think he's better as a standalone character.

EDIT:


I mentioned Elric before and used to love the books and the P. Craig Russell graphic novel. Not really a superhero but has anyone every tried to adapt Michael Moorcock's novels into a series or a movie? With GoT kicking so much rear end, I'm surprised no one had pitched it. They've tried Conan a few times.

I'd dig a Stormbringer movie or series.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Aug 25, 2017

Heathen
Sep 11, 2001

I said before I would've liked a Marvel Knights of Punisher, Moon Knight, Blade and Ghost Rider.

Squirrel Girl would also work but she's going to be on another show already.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Agents of Shield should cross over with Defenders. They are both "street-level." And *everyone* on AoS would dunk on Danny, it would be quite fun.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



moths posted:

Blade would be amazing, but I don't think we'll get vampires right after undead ninjas.

Blade was already a TV show. And it was... not good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade:_The_Series

The D in Detroit
Oct 13, 2012

Proteus Jones posted:

Blade was already a TV show. And it was... not good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade:_The_Series

then make another one

as a sequel to the trilogy

with Wesley Snipes

Blade is worth it.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Wesley Snipes but keep him British.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:
I'd kill to have the people that made season one of Daredevil do Blade.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



SleepCousinDeath posted:

then make another one

as a sequel to the trilogy

with Wesley Snipes

Blade is worth it.

Lol, that series *was* a sequel to the trilogy. But I'm cool with pretending it never existed. And I'm sure Snipes could use the work, what with being reduced to being a Direct-To-Video Actor now.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

Proteus Jones posted:

Lol, that series *was* a sequel to the trilogy. But I'm cool with pretending it never existed. And I'm sure Snipes could use the work, what with being reduced to being a Direct-To-Video Actor now.

It'd be easy to since Blade's daughter is a thing in the comics and her personality/upbringing is different enough from Blade's. They already have a storyline in the comics where about her becoming badass with Blade in the background calling the shots/advisory role stuff if Snipes doesn't want to/is too old for the physical commitment.

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

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Blade show with Taye Diggs because he sure as hell isn't doing anything else.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



The only problem with a Netflix Blade reboot would be that the MCU isn't ready to go full vampires and masquerades.

That said, he'd be a fantastic addition if all the vampire stuff is handled off-screen.

E: Just treat him as a super sword dude with fangs.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Blade sucks.

Hth

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

moths posted:

The only problem with a Netflix Blade reboot would be that the MCU isn't ready to go full vampires and masquerades.

That said, he'd be a fantastic addition if all the vampire stuff is handled off-screen.

E: Just treat him as a super sword dude with fangs.

Thanos and immortal ninjas are fine, but vampires are a bridge too far?

enraged_camel posted:

Blade sucks.

Hth

Actually he's good

He was bland before Wesley Snipes but those movies rule

Tagichatn
Jun 7, 2009

JBP posted:

Nah sorry I can't find the thing I was thinking of, but from trying to google it up there are a heap of interesting reads. Plenty of good stuff from little factoids to full blown lit crit if you filter out the stupid hot takes. The show is really dense with references to black culture that people like me never really get exposed to and reading through this stuff is like looking at an entire different world.

Couple of cool ones:

http://blacknerdproblems.com/the-luke-cage-syllabus-a-breakdown-of-all-the-black-literature-featured-in-netflixs-luke-cage/

This is really interesting, particularly how some of these books tie into the story of Luke so directly. Really want to pick up a couple of these books.

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/creating-luke-cage-the-first-woke-black-superhero-show

Long interview with Coker. Good poo poo.

Cool, thanks!

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

moths posted:

The only problem with a Netflix Blade reboot would be that the MCU isn't ready to go full vampires and masquerades.

That said, he'd be a fantastic addition if all the vampire stuff is handled off-screen.

E: Just treat him as a super sword dude with fangs.

Oh man, that would be amazing. You thought Iron Fist without magical Kung Fu was bad, imagine Blade without vampires!

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

moths posted:

The only problem with a Netflix Blade reboot would be that the MCU isn't ready to go full vampires and masquerades.

That said, he'd be a fantastic addition if all the vampire stuff is handled off-screen.

E: Just treat him as a super sword dude with fangs.

It'd be exactly the same as the existing Netflix shows, where literally none of it pertains to the wider MCU despite being "connected" anyway. Hence why Dr. Strange never talks about K'un Lun, or Iron Man didn't get roped into fighting the Hand even though they threatened to destroy New York City, or Spider-Man didn't acknowledge that there are other NYC-based vigilantes loving poo poo up across town.

They could go full vampire with it and use only loose references to greater mythological lore in the MCU, and that'd be fine. Technically, Ghost Rider and the Darkhold already exist in the MCU, so demons and vampires aren't really a stretch.

Mostly, I want a Blade series because the first movie is pretty consistent with the style and tone of the Defenders properties already. A supernatural cycle of shows would be amazing...Blade and Moon Knight especially.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Xealot posted:

It'd be exactly the same as the existing Netflix shows, where literally none of it pertains to the wider MCU despite being "connected" anyway. Hence why Dr. Strange never talks about K'un Lun, or Iron Man didn't get roped into fighting the Hand even though they threatened to destroy New York City, or Spider-Man didn't acknowledge that there are other NYC-based vigilantes loving poo poo up across town.

They could go full vampire with it and use only loose references to greater mythological lore in the MCU, and that'd be fine. Technically, Ghost Rider and the Darkhold already exist in the MCU, so demons and vampires aren't really a stretch.

Mostly, I want a Blade series because the first movie is pretty consistent with the style and tone of the Defenders properties already. A supernatural cycle of shows would be amazing...Blade and Moon Knight especially.

They could do it just like how they did the Defenders shows. A Blade show, a Moon Knight Show, a couple others, and then they all meet up for Midnight Sons

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

Thanos and immortal ninjas are fine, but vampires are a bridge too far?


Actually he's good

He was bland before Wesley Snipes but those movies rule

Zzzz vampires silver swords zzzz

Give me a show that has an interesting and original take on vampires and I'll allow it to be a part of the MCU

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

enraged_camel posted:

Blade sucks.

I usually enjoy your posts but I gotta admit I didn't see that coming.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

BiggerBoat posted:

I usually enjoy your posts but I gotta admit I didn't see that coming.

To be clear I'm talking about the shows not the movies

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
If they could knock out a Netflix defenders film with the same production quality as Death Note I think they'd have a winner. Pay up Marvel Studios.

notthegoatseguy
Sep 6, 2005

Shang-Chi would be good but I know his backstory is a clusterfuck regarding rights around his father. Then again Marvel has been publishing a bunch of old Shang-Chi comics as omnibus collections so maybe it has been cleared up?

Honestly with the dumpster fire that IF and Defenders has been, I'd like some other network to be given a shot. Maybe a system where it wasn't so blatant that Marvel higher ups are enforcing their vision and just let creators do their thing.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Calling IF and Defenders a dumpster fire is very sensationalist.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

The comics property I just realized I would loving love to see get a Netflix-style adaptation is Sandman Mystery Theatre. (The one with the Sandman in the 30s and 40s who was just a dude in a gas mask running around solving murders on the strength of nightmares, not the Lord of Dreams.)

Or Starman, for that matter.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

enraged_camel posted:

To be clear I'm talking about the shows not the movies

That does clarify matters, yes.

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