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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Good news guys, Navy Field is getting a Steam release. Now we can play another terrible ship game Steel Ocean is better than Navy Field. It is also available on Steam.
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Gearhead posted:The problem with this is, of course, that reality is colliding with game mechanics. WG wants to make a game about battleships but battleships were phased out for carriers for a reason. That's great and all, but doesn't really matter because this is a game and the shooty ships part is the fun part of this game. Anyways, it's not like every battleship/cruiser/DD ever attacked by an aircraft carrier was sunk or that surface ships never engaged in a fight without aircraft sinking everyone.
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:
Wehraboos and ship collectors.
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The problem with carriers is that they're kind of 'meh'. There aren't a lot of escape mechanisms to avoid getting destroyed by a decent carrier. A destroyer might survive, depending on the skill of both players, but there is no guarantee. Smoke is not a shield, and mobility doesn't matter if you get cross-dropped. Some CLs have enough mobility or AAA that they're not worth the effort, but the rest of them aren't hard to pick off. BBs? They're just plain hosed. If an enemy CV walks up to you with a full attack squad and your CV is asleep at the wheel, you're just dead. It is tremendously unfun to know you're in a situation where you cannot fight back, and that every action you take will be fruitless. The CVs themselves aren't much fun to play, either. The CV balance is just awful. Any other ship in the game? You can get poo poo done out of the box. CV? Yeah, good luck with your crappy default squadrons and mediocre planes. Then you throw poo poo like Saipans into the mix. JuffoWup posted:Steel Ocean is better than Navy Field. It is also available on Steam. I am just shocked Navy Field still exists. I saw the SDEinternet logo pop up in the trailer and I had flashbacks.
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Gearhead posted:The problem with this is, of course, that reality is colliding with game mechanics. WG wants to make a game about battleships but battleships were phased out for carriers for a reason. That's not an issue in a well-designed game.
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Heartcatch posted:Unless they reduce the air spotting range of destroyers significantly and make it impossible for planes to spot torpedoes, this would be awful and make destroyer play at 8+ unplayable. Totally agree. That's my entire rationale really, because it would force carrier changes to make the class appealing and balanced in high tier matches. Then maybe it would force a balance fix between the carrier lines themselves. NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Good news guys, Navy Field is getting a Steam release. Now we can play another terrible ship game Hey now, after a little over 2000 games on EU, the GZ has a better win percentage than the Lexington. 
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Aug 26, 2017 20:22
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You have an unrivaled optimism in Wargaming's ability and/or willingness to fix broken things or listen to their community.
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Heartcatch posted:You have an unrivaled optimism in Wargaming's ability and/or willingness to fix broken things or listen to their community. No, I'm just delusional. I have to be sometimes to make logging into Warbotes seem less of a waste of my life. 
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Aug 26, 2017 20:29
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ZombieLenin posted:Hey now, after a little over 2000 games on EU, the GZ has a better win percentage than the Lexington. Damning with faint praise if I've ever seen it
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Aug 26, 2017 20:49
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They've listened to the community plenty of times, but confirmation bias is going to do its thing. When they really mess up, it's more of a bad management policies and miscommunications between a number of languages, offices, and countries issue, but nerds have to have their shadowy cabals in office rooms plotting the destruction of their game/favorite boats/weekends rather than a business trying to toe a fine line between making a game good for everyone and making money off of it. Somebody call me when they offer premium ap shells. Victor Surge fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Aug 26, 2017 |
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Aug 26, 2017 20:53
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Also holy poo poo why are there so many Graf Septics sailing around. Why not buy something fun? Judging by a brief perusal of the official forums, Wargaming still has a sizeable body of customers who believe it can do no wrong.
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Sperglord Actual posted:Judging by a brief perusal of the official forums, Wargaming still has a sizeable body of customers who believe it can do no wrong. I guess I quit at the right time then. I doubt the ichase firing will do much in terms of spreading outrage. They didn't idiotically threaten to go after people with false DMAC attacks so its just a matter of a money grubbing company doing shady PR business which is nothing new.
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Damning with faint praise if I've ever seen it I see my statement more as a critique of how lovely the Lexington is. Edit As I grind up the American carrier line. 
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ZombieLenin posted:
Eh, that's more an indictment of the average player of a Lexington, and/or just a large percentage of the current number of GZ games played being by decent players, than legitimately claiming GZ is better. Its sole loadout is effectively just a shittier version of Lexington's 2/0/2.
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https://youtu.be/TGUqU2VPrrQ wow. A pro CV player just going nutso.
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Im glad you boats players have got a sirfoch and will now have a host of youtubers threatening to not make videos over it before inevitably backing down to avoid closing their cashcow.
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Some of us played tanks, too. ChairInABasket plays boats these days.
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Lord Koth posted:Eh, that's more an indictment of the average player of a Lexington, and/or just a large percentage of the current number of GZ games played being by decent players, than legitimately claiming GZ is better. Its sole loadout is effectively just a shittier version of Lexington's 2/0/2. Given the reviews, I have no doubt the GZ is the worse of the two. I trust that believe me. It just makes me sad as someone who is both grinding up the American line, and who has an interest in the history of these ships, that Lexington is even in the same ballpark as GZ stat wise (win rate only), even at this point with only 2,000 GZ games played. Heartcatch posted:Some of us played tanks, too. ChairInABasket plays boats these days. I played Tanks since beta, and I quit for a year twice. The last time about a year ago (when I started playing boats actually.) Occasionally, I think about playing Tanks again and then go read a few pages of the Tanks thread... just to remind myself why I don't want to play Tanks again. Luckily I haven't really felt that way about Warbotes yet, though I did take a month or so off awhile ago. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Aug 26, 2017 |
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People losing their minds over a premium being released that is lovely and weak this is how we get Belfasts
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Hazdoc posted:People losing their minds over a premium being released that is lovely and weak What are you trying to say about my perfectly balanced Belfast? 
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Hazdoc posted:People losing their minds over a premium being released that is lovely and weak To be fair at least people who get cheated by WG pay to win Belfasts owning them didn't drop 50 bucks on a steaming pile of dogshit that was essentially stealth nerfed with little fanfare before being released into the wild. People like me who only bought a bit of premium time here and there knew what they were getting and can always walk away when the smell is too much. People who got cheated into buying the ship are stuck with it. Caveat emptor side
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GZ has apparently been pulled from both the NA and EU premium stores... Edit Confirming, Graf Zeppelin has been removed from both the NA & EU front pages and premium shops. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Aug 26, 2017 |
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MikeC posted:https://youtu.be/TGUqU2VPrrQ If you want more background on his rage and what he is talking about, look up a video he made a couple weeks ago. It is titled something like "What makes a good carrier". He goes over that balance triangle including how he would balance the ranger and lexington.
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Heartcatch posted:Some of us played tanks, too. ChairInABasket plays boats these days. I played the poo poo out of tanks too. Rossmum even featured some of my replays in his videos 
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ZombieLenin posted:Confirming, Graf Zeppelin has been removed from both the NA & EU front pages and premium shops. Wargaming's in full damage control mode.
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I look forwards to next thing everyone will get up in arms about (which is fine), but will say for the thousandth time that WG boats never listens to the community and they'll never buy anything again.
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I look forward to the next time Wargaming demonstrates their complete lack of PR competence.
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Sperglord Actual posted:I look forward to the next time Wargaming demonstrates their complete lack of PR competence.  Free to play video games are very important.
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Hoho....I'm getting a free camo and for 3 months I can run roughshod over any opposition with whatever OP setup they will come up with as apology.....
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I think I'm ok with this. Mainly because I'm curious what fara learns out of the experience as well.
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That complaining gets you free camouflage!
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Thanks for the coupon Wargaming. 7 days to use it and, thanks to the terms and conditions, I've got literally nothing to use it on other than anime ships I either have no desire to play OR I already own the non-anime version of. I guess I could buy gold, but I've got nothing to use that on either other than Missouri--and I ain't buying that much gold.
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Management got back from Gamescon I see.
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First match of the night: tier VIII in a tier X game, Epicenter on Tears of the Desert. Our one tier X BB was AFK for the whole thing. 
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Oh yeah, what a pain in the rear end. Compounded by everyone using CVs for the Yamamoto missions, it was terrible.
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Having a Kamikaze made that task bearable. 
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Close enough, I used a Gremyaschy
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Unlocked the Khabarovsk just now. I am so happy that, after grinding through it twice, I am unsaddled with the Trashkent. If only I had 18 million credits I could own my first Tier X destroyer. Now to grind credits... 
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I wonder how the USS Texas is weathering Harvey right now. I wouldn't be shocked if we hear bad news about it.
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