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Good write-up, can we have one for the bolt rifle variants too?
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It's basically identical, except all of them having the same Strength means there's less outright variety. Stalker: Heavy 1, 36", S4 AP-2 Regular: Rapid Fire 1, 30", S4 AP-1 Auto: Assault 2, 24", S4 AP0 The Stalker is decent at putting wounds on vehicles if you have nothing better to do with it, and is actually really good (relatively speaking) at putting wounds on heavy infantry. -2 AP is nothing to sneeze at, and with a 36" range you'll be shooting most squads turn one without moving. At 3+ BS, 4+ to wound, and 5+ saves against power armor (6+ against a typical 4+ save, and no save for anyone else) you're looking at a quick couple wounds against something very early and typically outside of good response range. Regular: Jack of all trades, kills lots of stuff very well. Very good rapid fire range, AP is king against horde armies. Auto: I am a Blood Angels player, and strongly suspect our chapter tactic is going to be "Advance then Charge", so this is going to be mine. It's literally a Storm Bolter from last edition, that's it. Plus the box mags look cool as poo poo.
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Aug 26, 2017 21:43
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Strobe posted:Auto: I am a Blood Angels player, and strongly suspect our chapter tactic is going to be "Advance then Charge", so this is going to be mine. It's literally a Storm Bolter from last edition, that's it. Plus the box mags look cool as poo poo. Hey, it's me!
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Aug 26, 2017 21:50
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I could probably run numbers on expected wounds versus various toughness and armor save values at different ranges, but honestly that's getting way too  . Suffice to say, the regular versions are better on average against any given target, the heavy are better against harder targets at the given scale (heavy infantry for Stalker Bolt Rifles, heavy vehicles for plasma), and the assault are better if you want your entire army moving all the time very quickly.
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Aug 26, 2017 21:53
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The rapid fire variants are the best options in each instance, and it's not particularly close.
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Before I go digging for it does someone have a handy link to the google drive with all the codicies pdf's? I'm thinking about a thing and I'd like some help. I'm wrapping up my Blood Angels and I'm gonna start working on a new army. I'm planning on doing it in a Chris Foss style 80's loud & ridiculous paint style. The only thing I have to do is nail down the actuqal faction. Model wise I think that both flavors of Space Elf, Tau and Necrons are solid options for the paint style. This leaves play style... I love my jumpy marines and I like big shooty. I don't much care for gun lines but the foot slogging inexhaustible armies of Terminators is somewhat appealing. I don't know which of the adequate armies fit that. For reference I'm not just thinkling about that Black mask over vivid hues piece by Foss, I like the geometric ones too. I actually think I could pull of a space wolf successor army painted like that and using those cool flyer transport but I want to stay away from old marines at this point.  
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I think the Foss style on Tau would help them really look more alien as I feel their mechanical design is just too human. That being said a lot of his ships scream Dark Eldar to me in the more 80's big hair space pirate theme than the Hellraiser gothclub thing; but the DE model sculpts really lean towards the latter and I don't know how to escape that short of just kitbashing the gently caress out of some Eldar and like Spacewolf or PP nautical bits.
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Aug 26, 2017 22:15
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Against massed Tyranid warriors, which bolt rifle variant is the best, and which plasma incinerator variant is the best?
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Aug 26, 2017 22:20
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What armor save do they get, normally, and are you furnishing rerolls to hit and/or wound?
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Aug 26, 2017 22:31
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They're T4, W3, and with 4+ saves. I guess I would have either my Primaris captain or the Primaris lieutenants from the starter box hanging around, possibly both at once.
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Aug 26, 2017 22:46
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DiHK posted:Before I go digging for it does someone have a handy link to the google drive with all the codicies pdf's? Enjoy. 
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goose willis posted:They're T4, W3, and with 4+ saves. I guess I would have either my Primaris captain or the Primaris lieutenants from the starter box hanging around, possibly both at once. I'd use the rapid fire versions of both guns- Unless you have a specific strategy that demands the other ones. The rapid fire are going to be the best generalist guns but the others will all have a niche that you may need to fill, either additional range or mobility.
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Stalker Bolt Rifle (assuming both rerolls): 10 shots, 7.77 hits, 4.53 wounds, 3.78 failed saves on average. You'll kill one Warrior, and sometimes put a wound on another with average shooting. Bolt Rifle: 20 shots inside Rapid Fire range, 15.55 hits, 9.07 wounds, 6.05 failed saves on average. You'll kill two Warriors. This drops to 3.02 outside of Rapid Fire. Auto Rifle: Same as above for shots, hits, and wounds, but you're down to 4.53 failed saves at full range. Conclusion: The regular Bolt Rifle is best up to range 15". Outside 15" and up to 24", the Auto is best. Outside 24", the Stalker is best. For plasma, it's a bit more complicated, but you'll get roughly the same numbers.
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After waffling back and forth between Blood Ravens and loyalist Alpha Legion, I saw the Alphic Hydras and the scales have been tipped. I found a guide using Tamiya clear and I think I'm good. Here's a test model.  I like how the color came out, my only quibble is I have no idea how to highlight or detail that really.
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Aug 26, 2017 23:20
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methinks you stuck with washes and glazes. Love that color though.
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Aug 26, 2017 23:29
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I think that for something like that you would do your highlights and shading before putting on the Tamiya.
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Aug 26, 2017 23:33
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mango sentinel posted:After waffling back and forth between Blood Ravens and loyalist Alpha Legion, I saw the Alphic Hydras and the scales have been tipped. Highlight the metal before the clear coat. So, build up progressively brighter silvers, then do the blue.
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Aug 26, 2017 23:35
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I haven't painted a mini in about 5 years, here's my test model for my new Black Templars army.
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Aug 26, 2017 23:44
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goose willis posted:Against massed Tyranid warriors What world are we living in
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This is my favorite Tyranids paintjob ever https://armiesonparade.com/2017/08/18/get-inspired-for-armies-on-parade-eddies-tyranids/ I posted about it when I saw it in White Dwarf last year, but now there's better pictures 
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mango sentinel posted:After waffling back and forth between Blood Ravens and loyalist Alpha Legion, I saw the Alphic Hydras and the scales have been tipped. I recently experimented with silvers and washes and was able to get some iridescent purple going on.  I found I had best results with two Coats of the primary colour over the silver and then a coat or two of black wash to shade and darken the model. Experiment my man and try and get a solid shade with the colours.
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Killer_Bees! posted:I recently experimented with silvers and washes and was able to get some iridescent purple going on. Those look incredible
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Soviet Commubot posted:I haven't painted a mini in about 5 years, here's my test model for my new Black Templars army. I need to know where I can get a ruff for my marines.  EDIT: Space Wolves don't count. Sykic fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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Strobe posted:Stalker Bolt Rifle (assuming both rerolls): 10 shots, 7.77 hits, 4.53 wounds, 3.78 failed saves on average. You'll kill one Warrior, and sometimes put a wound on another with average shooting. Don't forget about the aux grenade launcher. Less useful on any but the rapid fire variant (either because you will want to advance with the assault or sit back a bit with the heavy). It replaces your 1-2 bolter shots, but the frag is better against a lot of T3 troops while the krak gives you a bit of multi-wound ability against T5/6 multiwound troops. Granted I can't remember the price for it. Anything more than 5 points and it is probably not worth it. Also, without removing the restrictions on grenades only one marine per squad can shoot (they give you the option for 2 because of combat squad).
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It's 1 point, and the Krak Grenade is flat out superior to the standard Bolt Rifle beyond 15", and is comparable with the Stalker Bolt Rifle up to its maximum range, slight advantage against T3 and T5/6. Against T5 (and only T5), the Frag Grenade is superior to the Auto Bolt Rifle, but is otherwise in every way inferior except for range. Generally speaking, I'd run it in squads of 10 Auto Bolt Rifles with one Krak Grenade just for heavy infantry. Otherwise, the Auto is generally pretty good against things that want to get closer to you, because you can keep advancing and stay ahead of them. Or if you're Blood Angels, and the chapter tactic is actually to Advance and Charge (which would make the Auto Bolt Rifle hands down their best option).
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Sykic posted:I need to know where I can get a ruff for my marines. The torsoes and tabards are from Spellcrow
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Aug 27, 2017 00:57
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I did a thing. I consider the stock grenade launcher to be... inadequate.
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Aug 27, 2017 01:56
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I did a thing. That is loving genius, I have like 10 billion grenade launchers from my guard...
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Science Rocket posted:That is loving genius, I have like 10 billion grenade launchers from my guard... Send some to me. I only have three left.
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Speaking of Black Templars, I can't find anything that says you need to take Grimaldus to take the Cenobyte Servitors now? So I can spend 6 points for a big aura of automatically passing morale?
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Nighttheii posted:Speaking of Black Templars, I can't find anything that says you need to take Grimaldus to take the Cenobyte Servitors now? So I can spend 6 points for a big aura of automatically passing morale? Yes. Theyre seperate entities now.
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Zaphod42 posted:This is my favorite Tyranids paintjob ever It took me this long to realize the guy painted them up based on the scheme native to mantis shrimps, truly the alpha predators of the meme crustacean world.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I did a thing. Thanks for this. Just ordered 12 of these from ebay for like 8 bucks, shipped.
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That'll do Beer4theBeerGod. That'll do.
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That is one serious Pro-Pipe. 
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The Sex Cannon posted:What if I don't bring tanks? Then I'll finally have an army tailored to beat you, the T3 infantry meta won't know what hit it once it my footslogging close combat Black Templars come to town Sykic posted:
Soviet Commubot posted:I haven't painted a mini in about 5 years, here's my test model for my new Black Templars army. Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I did a thing.
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For_Great_Justice posted:But Ogryn can be put in regular guard tanks, or used to be at least. I don't know if thats still viable. Each Ogryn takes up a three spot, so you can throw four of them into a Chimera, or three of them with a Ministorum Priest, say. With the changes to the Morale rules they don't need to be babysitted constantly by a Commissar like in the old days, so going four is probably viable.
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Zaphod42 posted:This is my favorite Tyranids paintjob ever Proletariat Beowulf posted:It took me this long to realize the guy painted them up based on the scheme native to mantis shrimps, truly the alpha predators of the meme crustacean world. If I ever got a hold of some nids I would want to paint them up something like this:  Grey/white on the body with black joints and forelimbs, yellowish upper limbs and then the yellow/black pattern on the armor plates.
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Skails posted:If I ever got a hold of some nids I would want to paint them up something like this: Ooo i like that idea! I would do something like this:  I always thought the poison frog look worked well on nids. Never liked the stock color scheme.
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Painting something like that for an actual Nids army would be pretty rough. I painted almost 200 guants and I couldn't imagine the amount of time it would take to but that level of detail in each one. It would look pretty amazing though.
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