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Soviet Commubot posted:The torsoes and tabards are from Spellcrow I'm starting to think I need to check third parties more often. SRM posted:These dudes are dope as hell, that paintscheme rules. You gonna do transfers/iconography on them? I've never settled on a design for it, unfortunately. I've toyed with the idea of using a fleur de lis since the design evolved from some old Third Street Saints marines I painted a long time ago, but the name (Blood Dragons) would be better suited to something Salamander-like. A hydra, perhaps 
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Zaphod42 posted:This is my favorite Tyranids paintjob ever Tbh I really dislike this. Obviously there's tons of technical skill involved but it's so bright and busy that I think it makes everything indistinct.
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I did Hivefleet Cockroach years ago but traded them off. I'm severely tempted to do it again instead of that Chris Foss army. I would do them with more spots and a lighter brown base coat for more value.    What I wouldn't do is magnetize that carnifex. It didn't turn out that great
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Proletariat Beowulf posted:It took me this long to realize the guy painted them up based on the scheme native to mantis shrimps, truly the alpha predators of the meme crustacean world. I'm definitely using mantis shrimps as the inspiration for my current paintjob, but I'm not quite so good  DiHK posted:I did Hivefleet Cockroach years ago but traded them off. I'm severely tempted to do it again instead of that Chris Foss army. Brown and Purple is the modern Zerg color scheme and what I almost went with before I decided to do crazy vibrant mantis shrimp / tree frogs Its a good look
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raverrn posted:The Rapid Fire Hellblaster gun is far and away the best one, don't worry. You mean the assault one...
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Aug 27, 2017 13:42
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Uroboros posted:You mean the assault one... S7/S8 is a sweet spot for toughness values. Plus the RF range is pretty long.
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Aug 27, 2017 14:01
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:S7/S8 is a sweet spot for toughness values. Plus the RF range is pretty long. Yup having to overcharge to get to S7 just doesn't cut it, and the rapid fire versions will be firing twice in most midfield ranges anyways.
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Aug 27, 2017 14:32
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WhiteWolf123 posted:Yup having to overcharge to get to S7 just doesn't cut it, and the rapid fire versions will be firing twice in most midfield ranges anyways. Not to mention being able to overcharge to S8 is pretty huge. Being able to wound MEQ on 2s and most heavy armor on 4s is a big deal. The assault guns will work in certain situations (I hear people talking about using them with White Scars tactics) but the rapid fire version is significantly more flexible. I find that there's much less a choice here than between the guns on an Intercessor squad.
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Aug 27, 2017 14:38
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Pendent posted:Not to mention being able to overcharge to S8 is pretty huge. Being able to wound MEQ on 2s and most heavy armor on 4s is a big deal. The assault guns will work in certain situations (I hear people talking about using them with White Scars tactics) but the rapid fire version is significantly more flexible. I find that there's much less a choice here than between the guns on an Intercessor squad. Yep. The S7/S8 gap might be the biggest power jump in the game. S3->S4 is really important too, but for the higher powered weapons, S5/6/7 often function the same way, but S8 can be really important in a lot of situations.
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I'm a newb at magnetizing, what's the best size for magnetizing Helbrute weapon options?
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S8/S9 is also a huge jump, but I would rather have two shots than one.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:S8/S9 is also a huge jump, but I would rather have two shots than one. Yeah, the heavy plasma ones seem silly unless you want an all big army. Lascannons/missile launchers can potentially put out more damage with much less risk. Plus you probably want these guys tooling around with a Captain for rerolls of 1s.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Send some to me. I only have three left. If you seriously need some hit me up. I've got tons and it's an excuse to actually meet up for a game sometime.
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PierreTheMime posted:I'm a newb at magnetizing, what's the best size for magnetizing Helbrute weapon options? The current plastic helbrute kit? 1/16" thick and somewhere between 1/8 and 1/4" diameter. Assuming that you're going to be just putting a magnet in the middle of the stump that goes on the current model, that is.
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Aug 27, 2017 15:28
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Does anyone ever use the Imperial Bastion/Chaos Bastion? It looks overpriced but T10 W20 is appealing.
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TheChirurgeon posted:The current plastic helbrute kit? 1/16" thick and somewhere between 1/8 and 1/4" diameter. Assuming that you're going to be just putting a magnet in the middle of the stump that goes on the current model, that is. Yep. Exactly. I'll pick some up and give it a try. Thanks!
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Felime posted:If you seriously need some hit me up. I've got tons and it's an excuse to actually meet up for a game sometime. Just picked up 8 off of eBay for like $5. That said I enjoy games and playing people.
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Gilgameshback posted:Does anyone ever use the Imperial Bastion/Chaos Bastion? It looks overpriced but T10 W20 is appealing. I would rather convert it into that Vortex Missile Muder House.
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Gilgameshback posted:Does anyone ever use the Imperial Bastion/Chaos Bastion? It looks overpriced but T10 W20 is appealing. As long as you put it somewhere good during deployment and stick some firepower in there it can be alright. Really it's ~200 points to protect and give better line of site to a unit of heavy weapons. Probably not worth it, but can be fun to play with.
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 8th edition has me jazzed about my Orks again, and looking to start some new armies. drat YOU GW JUST WHEN I THOUGHT I WAS OUT...  What are people using to store their models these days? I got stuff in shoeboxes and poo poo and need to upgrade.
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Bucnasti posted:
KR cases are generally seen as the best deal these days.
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Could anyone who's put together the Primaris Ancient from DI how tricky it'd be to snip off and replace the shoulder pads? I wanna add one to my DW since they're the only Ancient we have access to.
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SteelMentor posted:Could anyone who's put together the Primaris Ancient from DI how tricky it'd be to snip off and replace the shoulder pads? I wanna add one to my DW since they're the only Ancient we have access to. I did for mine and all my other DI guys, it's not too bad, just got to keep whittling away at it with clippers and a knife until the new pad fits right, and be careful not to remove too much material. It's definitely doable though.
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SteelMentor posted:Could anyone who's put together the Primaris Ancient from DI how tricky it'd be to snip off and replace the shoulder pads? I wanna add one to my DW since they're the only Ancient we have access to. I literally did this for both of the shoulderpads, its easy enough with clippers and a knife.
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Cheers for the responses, was worried there'd be parts of the trim connected to the main body like on some of the monopose Marines and these new anxiety meds make my hands too shaky to be doing anything too tricky with a knife.
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SteelMentor posted:Cheers for the responses, was worried there'd be parts of the trim connected to the main body like on some of the monopose Marines and these new anxiety meds make my hands too shaky to be doing anything too tricky with a knife. The left shoulder is, and thinking on it that might be a bit of a harder fit with the added trim of a deathwatch pad. I only got away with it since the new ultramarines pad covered the damage to the back anyway.
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Fought a footslogging black templar army for week 5 konor, I was attacking. He had emperor's champ, primaris lt, gravis captain, 2 intercessor squads, crusaders, hellblasters, 10 caraphractii combat squadded, 2 melta dreads, 2 kheres contemptors. It was pretty rough for him. The scenario gave him a chance, it meant my 3 predators had to try and make it up the table. My tanks and 3 of his dreads went at it, he won that engagement but it 2 dreads, and after my contemptor soloed one of the combat squads he finished those dreads off and in turn got killed by EC. I managed to get my vanguard, apothecary, captain, terminators, and a tac squad off the table to win on turn 6. We played again with the sides switched, with him having to advance into my guns it went badly for him pretty fast though.
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Gilgameshback posted:Does anyone ever use the Imperial Bastion/Chaos Bastion? It looks overpriced but T10 W20 is appealing. My friend uses it for his guard army. Generally he puts heavy weapon las teams, master of fleet, and/or a vindicare assassin up top. He puts a guard squad inside to run the guns and has valet parking for his artillery lambos behind it. From there he has huge LOS blocking terrain and murderous shooting for anything that tries to reach out to his murdertanks. Depending on the mission and careful placement of objectives, he will either score on 2-3 objectives every round by default, or wind up with a brutal long range threat bubble while he runs his squads all over hells half acre trying to score VPs. The only actual threat to his bastion backcourt came from Green tide orks just obliterating everything they got into close combat with. It cost the ork player 60+ boyz to get up the board, but once he did, the game was over in a turn and a half of close combat.
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koreban posted:The only actual threat to his bastion backcourt came from Green tide orks just obliterating everything they got into close combat with. It cost the ork player 60+ boyz to get up the board, but once he did, the game was over in a turn and a half of close combat. That sounds extremely fluffy.
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Going back to the intercessor chat upthread, I'm having some good experiences with the aux grenade launcher. being able to get an extra d6 shots downrange is a nice bonus, especially when you're dealing with a bunch of T5 units you're going to be wounding on a 5 anyway.
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goose willis posted:Do all Primaris squads with gun variants need to take the same variant for each member? Yes Anyway I still think I would like to have a 5 man squad with stalkers as objective holders, but seeing that the auto rifle is better at 16-24 inches is interesting.
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The number of shots is really important. Double the number of S4 shots overcomes a lot of armor. Against a 2+ save, or against T5-7 where you're going to have sharply reduced wounds in the first place and each AP is going to be multiplicative for your chances they might be better.
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Has anyone done any mathhammer on frag grenade, krak grenade, and 2 bolter shots on various targets?
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Vs. T3 and Armor 4+ Frag Grenade: 3.5 shots (on average) means 2.33 hits, wounding on 4s means 1.17 wounds on average, no AP means 0.58 failed saves. Krak Grenade: 0.66 hits (on average), wounding on 2s means 0.55 wounds, AP-1 means 0.37 failed saves. 1 Stalker Shot: 0.66 hits (on average), wounding on 3s means 0.44 wounds, AP-2 means 0.37 failed saves. 2 Bolt Rifle shots: 1.33 hits, wounding on 3s means 0.88 wounds, AP-1 means 0.59 failed saves. 2 Auto Bolt Rifle shots: 1.33 hits, wounding on 3s means 0.88 wounds, AP0 means 0.44 failed saves. Vs. T3 and Armor 5+ Frag Grenade: 0.78 failed saves Krak Grenade: 0.46 failed saves Stalker: 0.44 failed saves Bolt Rifle: 0.73 failed saves Auto Bolt Rifle: 0.59 failed saves Vs. T4 and Armor 3+ Frag Grenade: 3.5 shots is 2.33 hits, wounding on 5s means 0.78 wounds on average, 0.26 failed saves. Krak Grenade: 0.66 hits, wounding on 3s means means 0.44 wounds, 0.22 failed saves (0.44 damage against multiwound models). See previous posts for rifle performance Vs. T7 and Armor 3+ Frag Grenade: 2.33 hits, wounding on 6s means 0.39 wounds, 0.13 failed saves. Krak Grenade: 0.66 hits, wounding on 5s means 0.22 wounds, AP-1 means 0.11 failed saves (and 0.22 average damage) Stalker: 0.66 hits, wounding on 5s means 0.22 wounds, AP-2 means 0.15 failed saves (but only 0.15 average damage) Bolt Rifle (Rapid Fire): 1.33 hits, wounding on 5s means 0.44 wounds, AP-1 means 0.22 failed saves. Bolt Rifle: 0.66 hits, wounding on 5s means 0.22 wounds, AP-1 means 0.11 failed saves Auto Bolt Rifle: 1.33 hits, wounding on 5s means 0.44 wound, AP0 means 0.15 failed saves (I was not expecting Stalker and Auto Bolt Rifle performance to be identical versus T7 vehicles, at all) Vs. T8 and Armor 3+ Everything sucks use heavy weapons. EDIT: Surprisingly conclusions: always use Frags except against heavy tanks, and even then you're more likely to actually land a wound, it just won't do as much damage. EDIT II: shots does not mean hits. Frag Grenades are the less runaway victor, but are still on average better or equivalent to using a bolter. against everything except tanks. Strobe fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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We're those 3.5 average hits supposed to be shots? They don't auto hit.
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WhiteOutMouse posted:We're those 3.5 average hits supposed to be shots? They don't auto hit. You are absolutely correct and I am dumb. Going back and fixing numbers.
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Decided to do a more in-depth one showing damage to a wider variety of armor values. Looks like frags lose out to kraks or the bolt rifle vs a lot of targets. It's always worth it to throw a grenade if you have a bolter or assault bolter. Ignoring BS, assuming all shots hit, here's the damage inflicted. Average of 3.5 frag grenade hits vs 1 krak hit vs 2 bolter/bolt rifle hits. It looks like in the one you posted earlier you were having all the frag shots hit but using BS for the others. pre:Toughness/Armor Frag Krak Bolter/Assault bolter Bolt rifle T3 5+ 1.17 0.69 (1.38 if multiwound) 0.89 1.11 T3 4+ 0.88 0.55 (1.11 if multiwound) 0.67 0.89 T3 3+ 0.58 0.41 (0.83 if multiwound) 0.44 0.67 T4/5 5+ 0.77 0.55 (1.11 if multiwound) 0.67/0.44 0.83/0.55 T4/5 4+ 0.58 0.44 (0.89 if multiwound) 0.5/0.33 0.67/0.44 T4/5 3+ 0.39 0.33 (0.67 if multiwound) 0.33/0.22 0.5/0.33 T4/5 2+ 0.19 0.22 (0.44 if multiwound) 0.17/0.11 0.33/0.22 T6/7 3+: 0.19 0.25/0.17 (0.5/0.33 if multiwound) 0.22 0.33 T6/7 2+: 0.1 0.17/0.11 (0.33/0.22 if multiwound) 0.11 0.22 T8+ 3+: 0.19 0.17 (0.33 if multiwound) 0.11 0.17 T8+ 2+: 0.1 0.11 (0.22 if multiwound) 0.06 0.11 chutche2 fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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