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Cingulate posted:Bottom line is, it's really hard for a society in the 1st world to experience something as bad as what you can experience in the 3rd world. Even when you factor in tragic disasters like this one. Not much of a consolidation for Texans drowning right now I assume, but if you're not directly affected, that's still the facts. I don't know why we'd have to compare disasters. First you say that you can't imagine this could approach Katrina levels of bad, then you are comparing American disasters to the "third world?"
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Hastings posted:What is this hard on with getting undocumented immigrants out? What did they do to Trump? Seriously, this is stupidly, I humanely excessive. They're a minority he can brutalize with the least amount of blow-back because they aren't citizens. Trump has always gotten his jollies from abusing power.
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Prester Jane posted:Whats your plan for supporting the daily needs of 2.35 million people without roads? Hey, I dig your analysis based on your experiences and you're cool, but you're reaching here to find an argument where there isn't one. There are going to be major issues and a lot of poo poo is going to go down, but Houston won't be wiped off the map and not exist anymore like that one poster said, that's all I was responding to.
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WrenP-Complete posted:I don't know why we'd have to compare disasters. First you say that you can't imagine this could approach Katrina levels of bad, then you are comparing American disasters to the "third world?" Cingulate is really stupid and moves to even stupider goal posts when called out on how dumb they are.
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Prester Jane posted:The fundamental tenet of the Narrativist worldview is that all problems are fixed by violently purging undesirables from society that is quite literally all there is too it. Conservatives think that in order to MAGA they have to rid society of the impure by any means necessary. See now I understand this.
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Pakled posted:Corpus Christi's a good 150+ miles away from the border and it's on the southern edge of the storm to begin with. Mexico hasn't been hit too hard. This is from 8 days ago. http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/08/tropical_storm_harvey_2017_cou.html Harvey hit the Yucatan as a miserable Tropical wave dropping a few inches of rain, then hit the Gulf of Mexico and exploded into a slow moving wrath of god over 48 hours.
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farraday posted:This is from 8 days ago. that's some brutal irony.
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Also, it's only been like 2 days. This is suppose to last until Friday from what they're saying and it's possible that it will come back for a 2nd round. This is going to be really really bad. The population density of the area around Houston is way higher than New Orleans.
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Hastings posted:What is this hard on with getting undocumented immigrants out? What did they do to Trump? Seriously, this is stupidly, I humanely excessive. For Trump? It's a very simple two part answer. First, when he says bad things about Mexicans he gets cheers and praise. Second, Obama implemented a more reasonable immigration standard that generally left kids and the non-criminal alone, and what was done by Obama must be undone by Trump with great vengeance.
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peengers posted:If you want extra warm fuzzies over this texas disaster, reflect on exactly what's floating around in that floodwater from a disease standpoint. When I saw that pic of the flooded retirement home, I instantly thought to myself that all those people in that photo will be dead within a month. It's not something I like thinking, but just knowing what's going to go on. Not because of the hurricane, but being partly submerged in cold water for over a day is going to wreck havoc on their already compromised immune systems and fragile constitutions and it just being rank and filled with waterborne pathogens, they're going to pick up some nasty poo poo that's gonna to kill them quickly. 
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Yep, that's Katy. Thanks for posting Not heard from our friends yet but those videos basically match up to everything I've heard. Cingulate posted:So is there an upside? Is Texas in 2017 better prepared than New Orleans was in 05? Is the landscape different? I can't imagine it will be as bad as Katrina. I'm going to sound like I'm saying "this isn't so bad" so to be clear - this is really, really bad and it's not over yet. But breathless hyperbole to Katrina is premature. I grew up outside New Orleans, lived through Katrina, and am in Houston right now. Qualitatively, I would say the level of preparation is much better. Houston has dealt with mass flooding as recently as 2 years ago. The situation is just too different to say "well it's like Katrina but worse." I don't think the death toll will be nearly as bad as Katrina because the level of flooding necessary to straight up drown people in their homes is very localized, and the onset has been fairly slow. Whereas in New Orleans it was basically a dam breach in the middle of a Category 3 hurricane. I think it will definitely go up from the current count of 5 and could still be really bad, but people have more time to react and high water rescue teams were pre-positioned. There are reports of people being forced to their roofs or second floors in areas but the whole city isn't being filled up like a fishbowl like NOLA. Also, a lot of the deaths after Katrina were older/ill folks who medical services and aid couldn't reach because the entire emergency services apparatus - from police to fire to EMS to the hospitals - were completely loving paralyzed. That's not happening here. Property damage is going to be massive and is hitting communities in places like Southeast Houston very hard. However the massive displacement from Katrina was due to homes being rendered completely uninhabitable by constant standing water and people not being allowed to return for weeks. I don't think you're going to see that here. As soon as the water goes down people are going to go back and rebuild, just like they did in 2015 and 2008 and 2001. Lastly, the city is also not nearly as cut off as NO was after Katrina. Speaking of pictures - and not to downplay how bad things are for some communities - most of the truly horrifying shots of 20+ feet of water are of super low-lying areas that fill up every time it floods. Here's the same area that EX 250 Type R posted in 2015, after the water had gone down a bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyQQJJwAH48 
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WrenP-Complete posted:I don't know why we'd have to compare disasters. First you say that you can't imagine this could approach Katrina levels of bad, then you are comparing American disasters to the "third world?" More generally, there are local tragedies and global catastrophes - unimaginable suffering on a personal or community-scale level, and unimaginable suffering on the scale of societies. I am quite concerned for my friends in Houston, but when I, not being in Texas right now, take a step back, I know materially speaking, life in Texas this year is on average gonna be better than life almost anywhere, almost anytime. It's not easy to have both of these in focus at the same time, but they're both important (to me), and true.
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I assume there are contingency plans to make sure prisoners don't drown ..?Discussion Quorum posted:I'm going to sound like I'm saying "this isn't so bad" so to be clear - this is really, really bad and it's not over yet. But breathless hyperbole to Katrina is premature.
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Cingulate posted:I made two different posts in two different contexts. The second one was in response to somebody who saw the world as going to poo poo when looking at 9/11, Katrina and this. I think you can hold both of these truths (things are really bad & we are very privileged) at the same time without comparing tragedies. WrenP-Complete fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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Grassy Knowles posted:If there is one thing you are absolutely not a credible source on, it’s loving topology.  I'm tempted to find glowing fish's posts in the PNW thread, because he sure as gently caress knows nothing about analytics. His Russia thread is basically terrible too, he doesn't even know about half the topical stuff revolving it.
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Captain Monkey posted:Hey, I dig your analysis based on your experiences and you're cool, but you're reaching here to find an argument where there isn't one. There are going to be major issues and a lot of poo poo is going to go down, but Houston won't be wiped off the map and not exist anymore like that one poster said, that's all I was responding to. I'm not trying to have an argument, just stating that the city does not need to be literally wiped off the map for it to be rendered functionally inoperable as a major residential/commercial hub. If you don;t have the infrastructure to support a modern society you don't have a place where modern society can exist. Houston will certainly survive on in some form but when this is all said and done it will only be able to support a fraction of its previous population for probably several years. This kind of destruction takes a great deal of time to repair and in the meantime the lack of jobs and the difficulty of transporting in resources (Houston is now Alaska in the sense that almost everything must be brought in from elsewhere for the forseeable future) means that Houston is not going to be the 4th largest city in the US anymore. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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Discussion Quorum posted:Property damage is going to be massive and is hitting communities in places like Southeast Houston very hard. However the massive displacement from Katrina was due to homes being rendered completely uninhabitable by constant standing water and people not being allowed to return for weeks. I don't think you're going to see that here. As soon as the water goes down people are going to go back and rebuild, just like they did in 2015 and 2008 and 2001.
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Renaissance Spam posted:Christ I forgot how much of a reprehensible excuse for a human being Asay was. I'm glad he's dead. He's not dead. Just retired.
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dont wish death on other people, imo https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/901869006881263618 lol at flake
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Cingulate posted:I assume there are contingency plans to make sure prisoners don't drown ..? Texas does execute them as fast as it can, but there's no guarantees that they'll get to em all in time
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Hollismason posted:This is going to be really really bad. Hollismason posted:A lot of people here make Chicken Little look completely rational. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm  (My point here is that maybe you shouldn't call people Chicken Littles for properly freaking out over a really really bad thing, you loving idiot rear end in a top hat)
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Waffles Inc. posted:9/11 Harvey is every hurricane that has happened in your life but now perascope exists so you see what hurricanes really look like because no one livestreamed Andrew
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WampaLord posted:Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm It's not going to kill 1800 people, it's going to be really really bad because its going back to the gulf then coming back. Also, I lived through Katrina and Andrew I know more about experiencing Hurricanes than you. Go gently caress yourself you loving weirdo shitlord dumbfuck I'll eat your children
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Moments like this tear my heart out because we can do so much better, we have the means and the skill to do better. To be more resilient and compassionate, but it doesn't meet cost benefit analysis. Stay safe everyone.
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i was going to make a joke about goya, but instead: hollismason, where is your avatar from? it's been killing me for months.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Harvey is every hurricane that has happened in your life but now perascope exists so you see what hurricanes really look like because no one livestreamed Andrew Nah, I think Harvey is worse than Rita.
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RuanGacho posted:Moments like this tear my heart out because we can do so much better, we have the means and the skill to do better. To be more resilient and compassionate, but it doesn't meet cost benefit analysis. Yeah, it's too bad that everything is driven by statistical analysis in this regard, since often the average return period for a design storm isn't very conservative and solely driven by economics.
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JasonV posted:Wow. I had read the quote and I honestly thought this was going to be an offhand comment that he just sort of said, but hadn't thought of what he was implying. But, no, he knew exactly what he was saying. The Secretary of State thinks the current President of the USA doesn't speak for the USA/Americans. Even his Administration thinks he is acting beyond the pale. No wonder he holds on to that election win like a talisman :he knows he is hated, and holds onto any image of being loved, to convince himself of his superiority. Any chance his own people push for impeachment or 25?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Harvey is every hurricane that has happened in your life but now perascope exists so you see what hurricanes really look like because no one livestreamed Andrew "This is already Houston’s "worst flood." It’s only going to get worse." https://www.texastribune.org/2017/08/27/harvey-brings-catastrophic-flooding-houston/
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Prester Jane posted:https://twitter.com/JorgeUBarrera/status/901835756448120832
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Hastings posted:Even his Administration thinks he is acting beyond the pale. No wonder he holds on to that election win like a talisman :he knows he is hated, and holds onto any image of being loved, to convince himself of his superiority. Any chance his own people push for impeachment or 25? None.
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RuanGacho posted:Moments like this tear my heart out because we can do so much better, we have the means and the skill to do better. To be more resilient and compassionate, but it doesn't meet cost benefit analysis. I'm pretty sure when this is all said and done, the costs to rebuild will far exceed the costs to have improved sea walls and defenses against flooding. It does meet cost benefit analysis but requires long term thinking and a non-profit motive. So obviously we didn't do it.
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Trabisnikof posted:Nah, I think Harvey is worse than Rita. Harvey's death toll is currently five
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Harvey's death toll is currently five Most of the bodies won't be found until after it stops dumping water on Texas.
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