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Radish posted:They are apparently also using his tweets that had a BS rationalization based on nothing (we have to save money by kicking out trans people) as an example of how it's obviously discriminatory. Yeah, the scariest thing about watching Trump is imagining someone competent out there watching him and getting inspired
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The Glumslinger posted:Yeah, the scariest thing about watching Trump is imagining someone competent out there watching him and getting inspired Yeah exactly. Knowing that the only real reason he's being opposed so heavily by the media is because he openly attacked them from the start of his campaign and they still keep clinging to the hope he will turn into an entirely different person is really scary. If Trump was smart enough to lay off twitter and have a folksy joke for every evil order he pushed we'd be totally hosed.
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Radish posted:They are apparently also using his tweets that had a BS rationalization based on nothing (we have to save money by kicking out trans people) as an example of how it's obviously discriminatory. See, I don't think it's intended to be discriminatory. I think Trump is so dumb, he can't hear the dog whistle and thinks its a good "business" decision that will actually save money. That's why he doesn't use dog whistles in his speeches - he's such a huge moron he takes everything at face value.
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CompeAnansi posted:This is probably a fairer and more balanced view of the Red Cross. That said, I feel like not enough people know of the shitshow that the Red Cross was in Haiti, so I'll continue to link charities that haven't messed up yet. They definitely screwed up big time. Their actions in Haiti were really, really stupid - basically the equivalent of a Kickstarter that gets too much money and decides that now their videogame will ALSO be an MMO. With similar results. I'm hopeful they can go a decade or two without a similar error and get back to their previous reputation.
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KillHour posted:See, I don't think it's intended to be discriminatory. I think Trump is so dumb, he can't hear the dog whistle and thinks its a good "business" decision that will actually save money. That's why he doesn't use dog whistles in his speeches - he's such a huge moron he takes everything at face value. What do we make of him blaming "globalists" for China trade imbalances? Just parroting Bannon? Because he seemed to be attempting to aim that word at some certain people in the room.
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The Glumslinger posted:Yeah, the scariest thing about watching Trump is imagining someone competent out there watching him and getting inspired Yeah. Republican politicians generally tried to avoid the unvarnished racism, even if they were privately massive racists, because it wasn't seen as a vote winner. Now they know it is, they are all no doubt yearning to unleash their inner Hitler.
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Radish posted:They are apparently also using his tweets that had a BS rationalization based on nothing (we have to save money by kicking out trans people) as an example of how it's obviously discriminatory. Sounds to me like they're banking on the sex-discrimination angle triggering intermediate scrutiny, since the government can probably meet rational basis but not intermediate or strict scrutiny.
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Bicyclops posted:Does anyone know what the reliability of Harvard-Harris polling is? I'm seeing it get splashed around a lot on Facebook and their methodology looks sound enough. Check if fivethirtyeight has them on their list of pollsters. If not, send them an email and they'll look into it.
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Data Graham posted:What do we make of him blaming "globalists" for China trade imbalances? Just parroting Bannon? Because he seemed to be attempting to aim that word at some certain people in the room. "Globalists" = people who don't put America first = traitors. It literally has nothing to do with Jews in Donnie's mind.
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Radish posted:Yeah exactly. Knowing that the only real reason he's being opposed so heavily by the media is because he openly attacked them from the start of his campaign and they still keep clinging to the hope he will turn into an entirely different person is really scary. If Trump was smart enough to lay off twitter and have a folksy joke for every evil order he pushed we'd be totally hosed. Worse is knowing that you have these talking heads and editorial hacks trying so desperately to make an 'in' on normalizing Trump's insanity, no matter how forced. Philip Rucker's and Maggie Haberman's reactions to his rally and pardoning of Arpaio are just the most recent examples, and it seems like there's no real upper limit to how far the equivocation can go.
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Data Graham posted:What do we make of him blaming "globalists" for China trade imbalances? Just parroting Bannon? Because he seemed to be attempting to aim that word at some certain people in the room. People in THIS VERY THREAD have used "globalists" to mean "globalization". I had a person attack me because I suggested you avoid the first term and use the second one. It could go either way on Trump meaning "Jew" or not.
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KillHour posted:See, I don't think it's intended to be discriminatory. I think Trump is so dumb, he can't hear the dog whistle and thinks its a good "business" decision that will actually save money. That's why he doesn't use dog whistles in his speeches - he's such a huge moron he takes everything at face value. He's been publicly racist and sexist for decades and has recently outed himself as a white supremacist at best and a nazi at worst. I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt that somehow trans people are the oppressed group he's actually cool with and just happens to be doing something bad to them because he doesn't know better. The rest of his party has been trying to equivocate trans people with child rapists so screw that. Office Pig posted:Worse is knowing that you have these talking heads and editorial hacks trying so desperately to make an 'in' on normalizing Trump's insanity, no matter how forced. Philip Rucker's and Maggie Haberman's reactions to his rally and pardoning of Arpaio are just the most recent examples, and it seems like there's no real upper limit to how far the equivocation can go. Maggie Haberman used the pardon to insinuate that Jane Sanders was ok with his abuses when in actuality she was at his camps to shed some light on them. gently caress her she's scum. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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Data Graham posted:What do we make of him blaming "globalists" for China trade imbalances? Just parroting Bannon? Because he seemed to be attempting to aim that word at some certain people in the room. I have a wild theory: maybe he's a racist with a history of racism and a KKK dad and open racist theories and maybe there isn't any secret thing where he's not a racist in his true heart and is just a lenny forest gump that got lead astray by his pure innocent mind (that is narcissistic but otherwise pure of bad thoughts)
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theflyingorc posted:People in THIS VERY THREAD have used "globalists" to mean "globalization". I had a person attack me because I suggested you avoid the first term and use the second one. If Trump meant "Jew" he would say Jew. He would literally go on TV and tell the whole world that the Jews are to blame.
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theflyingorc posted:People in THIS VERY THREAD have used "globalists" to mean "globalization". I had a person attack me because I suggested you avoid the first term and use the second one. Trump may not specifically mean Jews, but Bannon did when he put the word in Trump's mouth and Donnie's fans sure know what it means.
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:RIFTS player spotted. RIFTS player spotted.
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Radish posted:He's been publicly racist and sexist for decades and has recently outed himself as a white supremacist at best and a nazi at worst. I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt that somehow trans people are the oppressed group he's actually cool with and just happens to be doing something bad to them because he doesn't know better. The rest of his party has been trying to equivocate trans people with child rapists so screw that. No, he's totally a racist and sexist and he doesn't give a drat about transgender people. He just honestly thinks this is good policy BECAUSE of how bigoted he is. He's a loving moron and buys all the lies about transgender people being perverts and black people being thugs and Mexicans being rapists. His words are literally his current train of thought and there is no dog whistle or any filtering whatsoever.
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Information update Water running into the levees has been such that even during the emergency release, levels in the reservoir were continuing to rise. At this point it appears at least probable that one of the levees will go. Brazos and San Bernard Rivers are also flooding more than anticipated. As a result, evacuation zones have been added and updated in the infopost. Please click there to see new, additional areas to  of and a link to a set of charities that you can donate to to support the effected area, run by Charity Navigator.
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KillHour posted:If Trump meant "Jew" he would say Jew. He would literally go on TV and tell the whole world that the Jews are to blame. "Sometimes bad people go and vandalize Jewish cemeteries, and sometimes it's the other way around."
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Deteriorata posted:Trump may not specifically mean Jews, but Bannon did when he put the word in Trump's mouth and Donnie's fans sure know what it means. You're not wrong. I'm also, again, not saying he DOESN'T mean "Jew". Trump's a crazy person.
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The Glumslinger posted:Yeah, the scariest thing about watching Trump is imagining someone competent out there watching him and getting inspired This is what scares me about Mike Pence, honestly.
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The takeaway here is that Trump is an idiot and you can't trust the things that he says or tweets in part because you can never be sure that he knows what he's talking about. You can trust that he's a racist piece of poo poo based on his actions, though.
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Deadulus posted:News report was saying the water is currently 2 feet from the top of the levee now. Also that the water is rising at 4 inches per hour even with controlled release. Is that levee different from the Barker and Addicks (drat autocorrect) reservoirs? Sorry for a dumb question, just wondering because the reservoir sensors don't appear to be that high yet according to the website. FourLeaf fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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Cythereal posted:This is what scares me about Mike Pence, honestly. Mike Pence is not competent. He is, however, absolutely not capable of ruining things internationally the way that Trump is.
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business hammocks posted:"Sometimes bad people go and vandalize Jewish cemeteries, and sometimes it's the other way around." He literally thought Democrats were going around vandalizing Jewish cemeteries to make the alt right look bad, yes. I'm not apologizing for the guy, I'm saying "know thy enemy." The dude is a petty thin skinned moron who has to deflect all attacks as fake because he has more cognitive dissonance about himself than North Korea has about the Kims. It's so transparent and anyone who thinks he's hiding some sort of master plan is deluded.
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theflyingorc posted:They definitely screwed up big time. Their actions in Haiti were really, really stupid - basically the equivalent of a Kickstarter that gets too much money and decides that now their videogame will ALSO be an MMO. With similar results. For additional context, it didn't just happen randomly when they found themselves with lots of money. There were a lot of outraged articles at the time of "The Red Cross might end up using your Haiti donation for some other disaster somewhere else!", I recall.
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theflyingorc posted:You're not wrong. With racists, "globalists" tends to both mean "Jews" and "rich liberals" at the same time, ambiguously and in different contexts. So a hard-right Jewish guy would not be a "globalist" to most right-wingers who aren't actual Nazis, but a guy like Warren Buffet, a liberal agnostic Presbyterian, would definitely be. They get really crazy when someone is *both* like George Soros. I'm sure sociologists could write whole books on this.
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FourLeaf posted:Is that levee different from the Barker and Addison reservoirs? Sorry for a dumb question, just wondering because the reservoir sensors don't appear to be that high yet according to the website. Possibly. I was listening to the live conference going on in Houston about the flooding. The spokesperson just said the water was two feet below the top of the levee. I don't know if he was talking about a different one or not.
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FourLeaf posted:Is that levee different from the Barker and Addison reservoirs? Sorry for a dumb question, just wondering because the reservoir sensors don't appear to be that high yet according to the website. They are super high, I don't know what you're seeing? https://www.harriscountyfws.org/ But levee can also refer to Conroe dam: https://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv/?site_no=08067600&agency_cd=USGS WrenP-Complete fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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theflyingorc posted:Mike Pence is not competent. Pence is, at least, a small-d democrat, who believes in the rule of law and Constitutional separation of powers (as far as we know, anyway). He's a different sort of evil, but one who at least will use the system to wreak his havok rather than just destroy everything.
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BarbarianElephant posted:I'm sure sociologists could write whole books on this. My girlfriend is a sociologist who specializes in attitudes towards immigrants and I want to pick her brain about this so bad but she won't talk about it because it makes her angry.
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Deadulus posted:News report was saying the water is currently 2 feet from the top of the levee now. Also that the water is rising at 4 inches per hour even with controlled release. This is bad.
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coyo7e posted:https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/901432632394776576 You can almost hear the exact moment he regrets his part in all this, and then Trump decides he needs to go. This was a great speech, but part of me thinks I was only moved because we've dealt with Trump for so long that speaking basic English would come across as a beautiful sonata at this point. There is one blessing to Trump though: what we are seeing is conservatism taken to its full, logical end. This isn't 'a few bad apples' creating this divisiveness. This is that 'compassionate conservatism'. The GOP has always been about otherism and now its happening.
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WrenP-Complete posted:They are super high, I don't know what you're seeing? They're definitely dangerously high but neither is only 2 feet from the top as of now.
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Cythereal posted:This is what scares me about Mike Pence, honestly. Mike Pence has all the charisma of a punctured colostomy bag and was dramatically unpopular in his home state after literally acting to increase the STD epidemic in Indiana via shutting down clean needle programs. He has none of the allure of a "successful millionaire outsider businessman" which gets Trumpers all hot and horny for authoritarianism and all of the baggage of being a single-term Governor who hosed up his state hard being one of the "usual politicians" trumpesters claim to hate. Trump is given a pass by his followers for playing a role as a successful business owner on TV (because they literally worship the wealthy via prosperity theology) and Trump declares himself a "winner" at every turn. Pence is a horrible loser and would've lost re-election in his home state, so people will be less willing to go to bat for that fucker. Edit: soundly beaten but still, gently caress Pence.
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Radish posted:Pence isn't really that competent either (he's the only loser that would join the Trump ticket after all) but after Trump the media is going to be desperate for a return to a monster that at least isn't announcing they are going to eat Tokyo before doing it. There is no timeline that flynn going down doesn't take pence out with him since horsefucker was in charge of the transition and already knew flynn was under investigation and sat on the information. oh he also lied about knowing anything when it turned out flynn was working for at least the turkish government while sitting on the security council.
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