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lezard_valeth posted:As others have said, Joramun's Horn is supposed to bring down the Wall by "awaking giants from the earth" Didn't he travel to meet Bran at Winterfell?
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precision posted:that's exactly what happened Sansa: Hey, I just realized that Littlefinger is playing us and trying to get me to execute you! Arya: wtf, let's arrest him. Sansa: wait I have a better idea. Let's not arrest him but instead have him watch while I pretend to pass sentence on you but I'll do a sick switcharoo. Arya: wtf, what's the point of that? Sansa: the audience will dig it
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regulargonzalez posted:Sansa: Hey, I just realized that Littlefinger is playing us and trying to get me to execute you! Well it's easy enough to argue that LF would have fled if he was suspicious or worried at all, hence the made-for-TV switcharoo. It also played out better for the rest of the lords, I guess
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Aug 29, 2017 10:46
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Yeah the people in that room were like DAAAAAAMN
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Aug 29, 2017 11:25
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Littlefinger spent his whole life talking his way through of rooms full of people who wanted him dead. He probably figured this would be more of the same up until the point Brann starts talking. The cuts between them as it sinks in that this kid's magical wizard powers aren't bullshit were quite good. They also needed the reveal to be public, to keep the Knight of the Vale in the fold. Yohn Royce hated LF, but he would need something a little stronger than Sansa's word on the matter before killing him. It was definitely played up for the sake of the viewers, but there was a solid narrative backing to justify the spectacle.
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Skippy McPants posted:Littlefinger spent his whole life talking his way through of rooms full of people who wanted him dead. He probably figured this would be more of the same up until the point Brann starts talking. The cuts between them as it sinks in that this kid's magical wizard powers aren't bullshit were quite good. They also needed the reveal to be public, to keep the Knight of the Vale in the fold. Yohn Royce hated LF, but he would need something a little stronger than Sansa's word on the matter before killing him. "Yea my brother totally backs me up on this! Off with his head!" 
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Skippy McPants posted:Littlefinger spent his whole life talking his way through of rooms full of people who wanted him dead. Not really, he wouldn't have climbed so high up the ladder by antagonizing everyone. He's good at what he does and has most people fooled. I think the only ones who really get mad at him are the Vale Lords after he pulls that very blatant "marry Lysa and then kill her" move. And he still managed to talk his way out of that one. Then again the show gave us Littlefinger scenes like "play with her arse" and that one time he antagonized Cersei for literally no reason, so maybe show LF just sucked all along. Elman fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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Aug 29, 2017 12:12
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:"Yea my brother totally backs me up on this! Off with his head!" I said a little stronger, not a lot. Remember that before heading north Littlefinger came close to having Robin Arryn execute Royce. There's no love lost there, and the Starks rattling off a list of till now hidden crimes—not least of which is LF murdering the forming Lord of the Vale, Jon Arryn—helps endear them to Royce and ensure that the Knight of the Vale won't ride back home the moment Littlefinger finishes bleeding out.
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Aug 29, 2017 12:17
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Given littlefinger's "fight every war" speech earlier this season and his later scene with Bran where he realizes that Bran is the finished product, the guy who simply can't be surprised, you'd expect him to realize that he can't possibly pull off any stunts at Winterfell, that this is the end of the line as far as scheming and manipulating the starks is concerned. Guess not. But this is GoT so we need Baelish to bumble like a fool and then die in a violent and 'satisfying' manner rather than just a shot of him looking forlornly at Winterfell and loving out of the story.
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Elman posted:Not really, he wouldn't have climbed so high up the ladder by antagonizing everyone. He didn't go out of his way to antagonize people, but pretty much everyone would be happier if he was dead because they all knew that he plotted against everyone equally. Staying alive was a matter of ensuring that he always had enough power and alliances to make killing him too much trouble. Unfortunately, he was thinking with his dick when he sided with Sansa, and that left him surrounded by people whose greatest mutual interest was to see him dead.
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I just realized the last scene of ep 8 is almost the same as the wotlk cinematic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCr7y4SLhck You got icey valley. Lots of zombies. Dragon flying down the valley. I'm not implying that's where they got the idea but gently caress it reminded me of that so much.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Given littlefinger's "fight every war" speech earlier this season and his later scene with Bran where he realizes that Bran is the finished product, the guy who simply can't be surprised, you'd expect him to realize that he can't possibly pull off any stunts at Winterfell, that this is the end of the line as far as scheming and manipulating the starks is concerned. Guess not. They only had one interaction before the trial, and Bran's sight didn't come up. They do have this exchange, though, when Baelish gives him the dagger: quote:Bran: Do you know who this belonged to? Baelish may have heard some rumors about Bran's power, but he doesn't really have cause to believe in them nor know their full extent until it's too late. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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Aug 29, 2017 12:32
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Skippy McPants posted:They only had one interaction before the trial, and Bran's sight didn't come up. They do have this exchange, though, when Baelish gives him the dagger: its really cool that the dude who talks about knowing everything doesn't know a thing about the literal time vision wizard who should technically be the king of winterfell and the north right now
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Aug 29, 2017 12:41
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I'm not sure why Jon would have a better claim to the iron throne than Daenerys. Danny's father was king, so wouldn't that make her next in line? Sure, Jon is a legit male heir, but his father was brother to the king. Monarchy. How does it work?
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Aug 29, 2017 12:47
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Son of the heir > sister of the heir
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Aug 29, 2017 12:49
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Show-Littlefinger isn't actually that good at the game. When nobody knows he's playing it, sure, he climbs well. The second he starts declaring his intentions openly by killing Lysa, selling Sansa to the Boltons, admitting he wants Sansa with him on the Iron throne, things start to go wrong for him; because loyalty bought or obtained by scheming is nothing like loyalty earned by one's ancestors or one's own deeds.
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Secx posted:I'm not sure why Jon would have a better claim to the iron throne than Daenerys. Danny's father was king, so wouldn't that make her next in line? Sure, Jon is a legit male heir, but his father was brother to the king. A lot of systems for hereditary succession only allow female heirs if there are no males heirs left alive. Abner Assington posted:Son of the heir > sister of the heir Also this. If we're following, say, English succession then the crown proceeds down the line of eldest progeny to the living heir even if some of the links in that chain are dead. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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Aug 29, 2017 12:53
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Skippy McPants posted:They only had one interaction before the trial, and Bran's sight didn't come up. They do have this exchange, though, when Baelish gives him the dagger: Bran gives him the "chaos is a ladder" call back.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Bran gives him the "chaos is a ladder" call back. He does, but based on that single line, would you infer that you're talking to is a super-wizard or that his sister mentioned it to him.
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Secx posted:I'm not sure why Jon would have a better claim to the iron throne than Daenerys. Danny's father was king, so wouldn't that make her next in line? Sure, Jon is a legit male heir, but his father was brother to the king.
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Skippy McPants posted:He does, but based on that single line, would you infer that you're talking to is a super-wizard or that his sister mentioned it to him. He never said that line to Sansa though. If I were Littlefinger I would have gone to Royce and told him "let's go we are finished here" right that second - Sansa didn't listen to him anymore and Jon certainly did not, why stay there?
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Secx posted:I'm not sure why Jon would have a better claim to the iron throne than Daenerys. Danny's father was king, so wouldn't that make her next in line? Sure, Jon is a legit male heir, but his father was brother to the king. Jon's father was King Aerys' son Rhaegar, not his brother (Aerys didn't have any brothers that I know of). Rhaegar was the heir to the throne, and HIS heir was his son Aegon (technically he had two sons called Aegon but it works equally for either of them), with Viserys being next in line after that. Daenerys and Aegon's sister wouldn't get a claim because Targaryens don't traditionally allow ruling queens. Jon is the only male descendant in the male line of the last Targaryen king.
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Look, the list of bullet points that GRRM gave them said Littlefinger had to die. So he did.
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Secx posted:Sure, Jon is a legit male heir, but his father was brother to the king. E:f,b
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GaussianCopula posted:He never said that line to Sansa though. If I were Littlefinger I would have gone to Royce and told him "let's go we are finished here" right that second - Sansa didn't listen to him anymore and Jon certainly did not, why stay there? Oh, you're right, he said it to Varys. I thought came from one of his many lectures to Sansa. So, yeah, that should have given him at least some doubts. As for why he didn't pack up and leave, I'd refer back to 'thinking with his dick'. Baelish was obsessed with the Iron Throne and Stark women, and he thought he was close to getting the latter of those two.
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Littlefinger appeared to be a lot less aware of Bran's abilities than the various Stark bannermen and their retainers, all of whom pretty much went along with what magic boy said without batting an eyelid.
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Aug 29, 2017 13:10
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I'm a little disappointed Littlefinger and Varys didn't get to talk once more before he died
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=XeYNHwRswYU This Season was a lot of fun and that ending was gorgeously done
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Vegetable posted:I'm a little disappointed Littlefinger and Varys didn't get to talk once more before he died I'm sad that Varys didn't get to talk hardly at all this season. His one interaction with Danny was good, but aside from that, all he got was a couple of filler lines.
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LF was always going to get murdered in the north, northmen are blunt, honest, and a bit thick. A scheming city boy "not from round here" used to playing people off each other Is going to be instinctively hated, and got rid of in some way or another with the slimmest of excuses. Even Kat Stark said it took them years to accept her and she was married to one of their own. Not that different to the north of England tbh. We moved to the northern countryside when I was three and nearly 35 years later my parents are still considered outsiders, and are really not liked by the more inbred members of the community because they go back to Australia in the winter.
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Getting amused by all the actor and director commentary about Dany + Jon going all 'Oh, this isn't good! They're related!' as if I'm expected to believe Westeros, let alone Targaryans, would give a poo poo. If any tragedy happens in this romance, I doubt it'll be because of incest. Side note- I''m glad LF finally got his due, but it felt a little unceremonious after 7 seasons. He had a lot of irons in the fire... And for whatever reason I didn't find it quite as satisfying as I wanted it to be? Can't even say why. Maybe I wanted him drawn and quartered after being called out by literally every named character in Westeros that he wronged? I don't know. PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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I guess maybe since he came back Bran took each Northman aside and told them about times they'd hosed, so they all knew the deal.
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JVNO posted:Getting amused by all the actor and director commentary about Dany + Jon going all 'Oh, this isn't good! They're related!' as if I'm expected to believe Westeros, let alone Targaryans, would give a poo poo. If any tragedy happens in this romance, I doubt it'll be because of incest. Incest isn't good and cool in Westeros, most people and the church think it is hosed up and scandalous. The Targaryens kept it up as a royal tradition, but any other noble would invite opprobrium by having a relationship as close as aunt and nephew. Dany probably isn't going to care because she spent her whole childhood thinking she was going to grow up to marry her brother, but I could see Jon being at least somewhat upset about it.
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Tywin married his first cousin, but I can't remember whether that was perceived as shocking or not.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Tywin married his first cousin, but I can't remember whether that was perceived as shocking or not. I don't recall anyone being shocked by it, that seems about as close as aristocratic mores will allow for non-Targs.
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GaussianCopula posted:He never said that line to Sansa though. If I were Littlefinger I would have gone to Royce and told him "let's go we are finished here" right that second - Sansa didn't listen to him anymore and Jon certainly did not, why stay there? He wanted to climb Mt. Sansa.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Tywin married his first cousin, but I can't remember whether that was perceived as shocking or not. I wouldn't think so. Ned's parents were cousins too.
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Certainly explains why all their kids are idiots.
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skasion posted:I don't recall anyone being shocked by it, that seems about as close as aristocratic mores will allow for non-Targs. World history shows us that the incest taboos don't really hold up for the ruling class beyond immediate family. When long distance travel is hard, and the upper crust make up such a small percentage of the population, it's not long before first and second cousins are the only prospects left. Edit: And marrying below one's station? Horrid. A King would rather wed his daughter to a nephew than suffer the shame of giving her away to some lowly Count. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:He wanted to climb Mt. Sansa. "My Lady Sansa, we must urgently travel to the Vale together. Lord Robyn is not well and demands that his knights come back - it will need you gentle touch persuade him to fight in the North." There. Done. Or just accept that Arya and Sansa are going to be sisters and don't hate each other, be a good supporter of Sansa's rule in the North, make yourself indispensable and while you at it, poison Bran asap, given that he is a cripple his death will be easy to explain.
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